fucking PC gone mad (a rant thread)
Jun 18 2009 09:34
#62
vanilla.ice.baby wrote:
What pisses me off is when I go for a job, and they Oh sorry no vaccancies then some poles walk in and the special polish speaking agency worker gets up to welcome them in and find them a job straight away - I've seen that happen loads.
I've been surfing Stormfront A LOT lately for work related stuff. I always have libcom and stormfront open in tabs while I work, I actually thought I was still on SF when I read this.
lol
Jun 18 2009 09:36
#63
Vlad336 wrote:
"ok, jews, but they have to buy everyone a round"
You may as well say "no jews", amirite?
Jun 18 2009 09:43
#64
I've been trying to get work for ages...I asked in a couple of bars I frequent (and are full of drunk hot girls obviously) and was told there was nothing. Struck up a conversation with the (Australian) bartender and he said "yeah here they only employ Antipodeans [long word for a convict eh?] and Poles cos they don't stay as long and don't mind being fucked around".
OH NO WAIT THE RACE TO THE BOTTOM'S AWESOME MY BAD.
Jun 18 2009 09:49
#65
Alan wrote:
I've been trying to get work for ages...
Sweeping chimneys maybe?
Also, it might take more than asking around a few bars for fuck sake. Cunts like you expect jobs to fall into their laps, probably because everything else in life has.
Jun 18 2009 10:12
#66
While i was in south london sol fed with Alan, he got (and was fired from) more jobs than the rest of libcommunity combined.
Jun 18 2009 10:16
#67
weeler wrote:
Also, it might take more than asking around a few bars for fuck sake. Cunts like you expect jobs to fall into their laps, probably because everything else in life has.
That's right, the indiginous working class just need to start working harder and for less like those eastern europeans, then we might start getting more work...
Jun 18 2009 10:18
#68
I like how Alan thinks casual bars jobs are the same sort of thing as jobs that actually have proper application forms and even 'we welcome applications from...' in the advertisement.
The fire service definitely 'welcomes applications from' minority ethnicity and females applicants because they 'don't mind being fucked around' that is definitely what is happening and youse definitely don't sounds like a bunch of whinging fuck pricks.
Jun 18 2009 10:41
#69
vanilla.ice.baby wrote:
weeler wrote:
Also, it might take more than asking around a few bars for fuck sake. Cunts like you expect jobs to fall into their laps, probably because everything else in life has.
That's right, the indiginous working class just need to start working harder and for less like those eastern europeans, then we might start getting more work...
If an Eastern European was looking for work by chattering to barmen and then complained he was discriminated against, I would also think they were thick.
Jun 18 2009 10:57
#70
vanilla.ice.baby wrote:
That's right, the indiginous working class just need to start working harder and for less like those eastern europeans, then we might start getting more work...
Seriously?
Jun 18 2009 11:19
#71
weeler wrote:
vanilla.ice.baby wrote:
That's right, the indiginous working class just need to start working harder and for less like those eastern europeans, then we might start getting more work...Seriously?
It's something you hear the pro immigration chattering classes saying all the time, TV programs have even been made based around this concept and people wonder why the far right are gaining ground...
Jun 18 2009 11:33
#72
I wonder why they're gaining ground on libcommunity, to be honest.
Jun 18 2009 11:39
#73
Steven. wrote:
Sorry Joseph, but you are talking shit here. This might be the first time I disagreed with you here, but seriously...Positive discrimination is illegal in this country.
All they said was that "applications" from underrepresented groups would be particularly welcomed. Fears of race or sex discrimination can put certain groups of people off applying for jobs. Putting that you welcome applications from these groups helps to show that the organisation is trying to eliminate any kind of structural discrimination.
It doesn't even have to be about white blokes for example. I'm sure in the fire service there is a much better ethnic mix then there is a gender one. And in some sort of professions, such as teaching or parts of the public and voluntary sector, "underrepresented groups" includes men. Primary teaching for example is desperate for more males. However, in recruitment they should always go for the best candidates, regardless of gender.
I'm not saying this is going to fix any major problem in society, but it is not a bad thing. At all. And I have never heard anyone complain about it unless they were a total racist.
Seriously, I would bin this.
I'm amazed this has to be explained.
Jun 18 2009 12:15
#74
Yeah to be honest the comments from JoeK and Vanillia beggar fucking belief on an anarchist board.
Jun 18 2009 12:42
#75
weeler wrote:
Alan wrote:
I've been trying to get work for ages...
Sweeping chimneys maybe?Also, it might take more than asking around a few bars for fuck sake. Cunts like you expect jobs to fall into their laps, probably because everything else in life has.
Obviously I haven't just done that. Off to an open interview in a minute actually. Leicester Square jeeeeeeesus.
Jun 18 2009 12:43
#76
Jack wrote:
sol fed
Grounds for censure there, comrade. 
Jun 18 2009 12:44
#77
Motion taken in parts and failed.
Jun 18 2009 13:12
#78
So the recession kicks in, jobs become harder to find and those WASP male anarchists who argued against racism and allowing the working class to be pitted against each other along ethnic, national or gender lines start whinging about fair employment blurbs and legislation.
Jun 18 2009 13:22
#79
revol68 wrote:
So the recession kicks in, jobs become harder to find and those WASP male anarchists who argued against racism and allowing the working class to be pitted against each other along ethnic, national or gender lines start whinging about fair employment blurbs and legislation.
I'm not a WASP and I'm not moaning about legislation.
I have seen blatent pro eastern european hiring policies in action, young black men in London are particular victims of it from my experience, though outside London it is the white working class who generally suffer.
I know people who work in local government in the equalities department and they have seen loads of cases where jobs are basically reserved for black, asian, or women candidates - and because they are so desperate to meet their targets.
I'm a fucking anarchist and I have seen this - but I know who and what to blame, a lot of people unfortunately blame the wrong people.
I know it's the jew's fault.
Jun 18 2009 13:31
#80
vanilla.ice.baby wrote:
revol68 wrote:
So the recession kicks in, jobs become harder to find and those WASP male anarchists who argued against racism and allowing the working class to be pitted against each other along ethnic, national or gender lines start whinging about fair employment blurbs and legislation.I'm not a WASP and I'm not moaning about legislation.
I have seen blatent pro eastern european hiring policies in action, young black men in London are particular victims of it from my experience, though outside London it is the white working class who generally suffer.
I know people who work in local government in the equalities department and they have seen loads of cases where jobs are basically reserved for black, asian, or women candidates - and because they are so desperate to meet their targets.
I'm a fucking anarchist and I have seen this - but I know who and what to blame, a lot of people unfortunately blame the wrong people.
I know it's the jew's fault.
yeah, it's those eastern europeans taking al the public sector jobs and pushing the wages downwards. The fact that people have moved from whinging about fair employment blurbs which whilst being liberal tokenism are not actually that bad a thing in the grand scheme of things, to whinging about immigrants undercutting 'local' labour per se, says quite a lot about the sentiments motivating this discussion.
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they have seen loads of cases where jobs are basically reserved for black, asian, or women candidates
And the problem with this is what? You whinge about the unfair distribution of work that marginalises the 'native working class' whilst complain when companies and govt departments try and ensure better representation across sex and ethnicity.
Anyway like I've said whilst the working class keeps looking for solutions within the parameters of capitalism it will be continuously pitted against itself. This whole "debate" should be and is below anarchists and communists.
Jun 18 2009 13:35
#81
revol68 wrote:
yeah, it's those eastern europeans taking al the public sector jobs and pushing the wages downwards. The fact that people have moved from whinging about fair employment blurbs which whilst being liberal tokenism are not actually that bad a thing in the grand scheme of things, to whinging about immigrants undercutting 'local' labour per se, says quite a lot about the sentiments motivating this discussion.
I'm not complaining about eastern europeans taking public sector jobs, I'm complaining about them being used to take jobs, drive down wages, and undermine conditions across the private sector.
The LOR workers showed the way to deal with this situation.
Jun 18 2009 13:37
#82
revol68 wrote:
This whole "debate" should be and is below anarchists and communists.
lol!
The fact is this debate is one of the major issues for the working class right now - we're part of it whether we want to be or not.
Jun 18 2009 13:43
#83
vanilla.ice.baby wrote:
revol68 wrote:
yeah, it's those eastern europeans taking al the public sector jobs and pushing the wages downwards. The fact that people have moved from whinging about fair employment blurbs which whilst being liberal tokenism are not actually that bad a thing in the grand scheme of things, to whinging about immigrants undercutting 'local' labour per se, says quite a lot about the sentiments motivating this discussion.
I'm not complaining about eastern europeans taking public sector jobs, I'm complaining about them being used to take jobs, drive down wages, and undermine conditions across the private sector.
The LOR workers showed the way to deal with this situation.
What by demanding British Jobs for British workers and mobilising nationalist sentiment to 'shame' Total into giving 200 jobs to local contractors who in turn could sub contract them out?
Yeah, they showed the way alright, line up behind the national bourgeois against these foreigners that threaten our national industries, then they can vote for the Union and Socialist Party backed No2Eu party to uphold British political sovereignty. RULE BRITANNIA!!!!
And anyone posts up the demands of that SP strike committee may I suggest they ask were they demands the workers initially walked out over and were they the demands they went back to work after having had them met?
Jun 18 2009 13:46
#84
vanilla.ice.baby wrote:
revol68 wrote:
This whole "debate" should be and is below anarchists and communists.lol!
The fact is this debate is one of the major issues for the working class right now - we're part of it whether we want to be or not.
Yes, much like the national question was and is a major issue amongst the working class in my backyard for over 100 years, it doesn't mean it's not a futile debate that misses the bigger picture.
As it is in Northern Ireland the only people I know who whinge about fair employment blurbs are bigotted fucks.
Jun 18 2009 13:56
#85
There was a story a while ago about a police constable refusing to get on a bike during a training exercise because a) he hadn't had his bicycle training b) the exercise hadn't been risk assessed c) the bike hadn't been risk assessed.
PC GONE MAD.
Jun 18 2009 13:57
#86
Racist employment policies and those blurbs are entirely different things.
Jun 18 2009 14:03
#87
vanilla.ice.baby wrote:
What pisses me off is when I go for a job, and they Oh sorry no vaccancies then some poles walk in and the special polish speaking agency worker gets up to welcome them in and find them a job straight away - I've seen that happen loads
presumably this is satire?
Steven. wrote:
Positive discrimination is illegal in this country.
discrimination is illegal full stop. that's that problem solved. 
Steven. wrote:
All they said was that "applications" from underrepresented groups would be particularly welcomed. Fears of race or sex discrimination can put certain groups of people off applying for jobs. Putting that you welcome applications from these groups helps to show that the organisation is trying to eliminate any kind of structural discrimination.
seriously mate, this reads like a HR circular. for example, Brighton Council has been resisting equal pay claims for 8 years (and having finally caved, is attacking mens' pay rather than levelling up women). This kind of tokenistic shite on application forms is precisely the kind of figleaf for the lack of any meaningful equality that allows them to drag their feet. of course meaningful equality isn't granted or legislated, it is won through struggle. you know, communism.
if you wanted to put potential applicants from underrepresented groups at ease you could stress that the process will be blinded to eliminate potential discrimination and that applications 'from all sections of the community' or somesuch are welcome. they didn't do that, they singled out groups and asked for photos.
Now i've looked into this some more, and applications are in fact anonymised (which removes most of my objections, since it's the best way to prevent any form of discrimination, although it remains a figleaf). presumably the photo is just for the equalities monitoring form. however the fact people have defended this uncritically without knowing the process is blinded is worrying, it puts you somewhere to the PC-side of public sector HR departments.
Choccy wrote:
Yeah to be honest the comments from JoeK and Vanillia beggar fucking belief on an anarchist board.
what beggers fucking belief is the uncritical defence of legalistic liberal PC bullshit in legalistic liberal PC terms, not even attempting to take a communist perspective about how such measures are a figleaf for inaction on far more fundamental problems. still less how they feed into the far-right bullshit about being a 'minority in our own country' that saw the BNP get a million votes recently. but please, carry on with the right-on histrionics.
Jun 18 2009 14:08
#88
what are you talking about?
no-one defended it, we said it was daft liberal tokenism
but you went off on a mental bigoted rant about how simply stating that they 'welcome applications' from people who traditionally are less likely to apply for those jobs was going to keep you personally out of a the job
and the logic you displayed is exactly the kind of shit that leads to cretinous comments like those of vanillaicebaby
seriously, wise the fuck up
Jun 18 2009 14:18
#89
Quote:
what beggers fucking belief is the uncritical defence of legalistic liberal PC bullshit in legalistic liberal PC terms, not even attempting to take a communist perspective about how such measures are a figleaf for inaction on far more fundamental problems. still less how they feed into the far-right bullshit about being a 'minority in our own country' that saw the BNP get a million votes recently. but please, carry on with the right-on histrionics.
eh seriously fuck off you disingenuous twat, your rant had nothing to do with a 'communist perspective' on PC fig leafs that don't deal seriously with racism and sexism and instead had everything to do with a white man stamping his feet and having a hissy fit because the job 'I want, I want, I want I want' and "twained weally weally weally hard" for might be given to some woman or swarthy person whilst you know you are the 'best person for the job' and that is like total not fair.
A proper communist perspective would have little time for the whinging of white men and their percieved 'unfair' treatment at the hands of the PC brigade but rather would be more concerned as to arguing that capitalism needs competition between workers for the 'privilege' of being exploited and that this competition tends to solidify around race, sex and nationalism.
You were having an angry middle class white boy rant because you fear that you won't get what you think you deserve.
Jun 18 2009 14:21
#90
Joseph Kay wrote:
what beggers fucking belief is the uncritical defence of legalistic liberal PC bullshit in legalistic liberal PC terms, not even attempting to take a communist perspective about how such measures are a figleaf for inaction on far more fundamental problems. still less how they feed into the far-right bullshit about being a 'minority in our own country' that saw the BNP get a million votes recently. but please, carry on with the right-on histrionics.
And the RMT are selfish for going on strike when no one else is getting 2%
It's only scumbag yanks that would defend this sort of crap.
What pisses me off is when I go for a job, and they Oh sorry no vaccancies then some poles walk in and the special polish speaking agency worker gets up to welcome them in and find them a job straight away - I've seen that happen loads.
I know someone who works for a local council and they have an unofficial policy of always giving certain (good) jobs to ethnic candidates to bump their figures irrespective of ability.