It's the best mission. Self-rewarding. I love how it was a girl that first showed me how to get a prossie and get my money back in GTA, like that episode of Cracker with the Irish woman.
GTA4 - Mara showed me this
I'm guessing not, but does that surprise you? Why would there be - do you think it's some sort of PC game where they make sure they get quotas?
However mental you think it is it's still a computer game - I mean fuck, Arf, people murder people in the game, does that mean they harbour such tendencies? I can safely say in my years, I've murdered thousand of people - I've yet 
to kill anyone in real life.
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I'm guessing not, but does that surprise you? Why would there be - do you think it's some sort of PC game where they make sure they get quotas?
As if! I was just wondering if theyd stuck a few in so they could use the old argument that neither prostitution nor violence against prostitutes was really sexist, because "some are men too".
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However mental you think it is it's still a computer game
And i did kick myself for oohing and ahhing over the graphics and real-ness while i watched the clip.
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I mean fuck, Arf, people murder people in the game, does that mean they harbour such tendencies? I can safely say in my years, I've murdered thousand of people - I've yet
Well, i have too murdered many thousands of game people, and i havent yet killed anyone in real life, although i do think about it sometimes when i cant sleep. But its not the killing of game people that made me think the guy was a sociopathic misogynist, it was that he went to the trouble of making a video to show how he best likes to kill certain game characters - female street prostitutes, a category of people that are among the worst off and most abused people in the western world. His chosen method was OTT to the extreme, he didnt just run em over to get his money back, he deliberately picked them up so he could 'shag' them, and then he used a baseball bat, followed by setting them on fire, then while they were rolling around screaming and on flames he finally machine gunned them to death - and he filmed it and bothered to post it to youtube to boast about it! Somethings not quite right there. Im reckoning that, at the very minimum, he is overcompensating for a serious lack of talent in the sack.
arf wrote:
Well, i have too murdered many thousands of game people, and i havent yet killed anyone in real life, although i do think about it sometimes when i cant sleep. But its not the killing of game people that made me think the guy was a sociopathic misogynist, it was that he went to the trouble of making a video to show how he best likes to kill certain game characters - female street prostitutes, a category of people that are among the worst off and most abused people in the western world. His chosen method was OTT to the extreme, he didnt just run em over to get his money back, he deliberately picked them up so he could 'shag' them, and then he used a baseball bat, followed by setting them on fire, then while they were rolling around screaming and on flames he finally machine gunned them to death - and he filmed it and bothered to post it to youtube to boast about it! Somethings not quite right there. Im reckoning that, at the very minimum, he is overcompensating for a serious lack of talent in the sack.
Of I completely agree that the fact he made a video about it is a bit disturbing, but then, i was pissing myself during muych of it, especially when he talked about sleeping all day til the prossies come out at night:
"good thing about this [sleeping during the day] is, it not only passes the time, but it gets ye into that kinda mindset of the type of nutter that would actually murder a prostitute". Y'know, sleeping all day and gettin ideas into yer heed an tha"
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arf he used the baseball bat and switched to the molotov because he messed up and she slapped him and ran away.
Wha? At the start he showed he clearly intended to use the molotov!
xconorx quotes the guy: "good thing about this [sleeping during the day] is, it not only passes the time, but it gets ye into that kinda mindset of the type of nutter that would actually murder a prostitute"
then mara says: "I think the guy is taking the piss a bit in that video arf."
well, yeh. he thinks its funny. in which case, lets identify his target audience (other men, i assume), and who is the butt of the joke (those annoying wimmins who over-react when blokes make jokes about murdering prostitutes, probably). in which case, sorry dude you're not funny nor original, youre just another fucking cock being really heartless to women in some lame effort to score man points with the lads. and on top of that, you're clearly over 14 and therefore should grow the fuck up already.
and why does he need to score man points anyway? because he is lacking in other areas, such as brains; imagination; the ability to throw, catch, or kick a ball with any level of skill above zero; or the ability to make actual real live women actually like him - and i mean actually really truly enjoy his company, rather than using him to work out their daddy issues on. so he tries to be funny, but really only similarly pathetic dud(e)s will find him so.
am i reading too much into it now? diddums.
at least i have an excuse for being a bit mental. what's his?
Ffs what do you think 'most likely' means? Doesn't mean that all of them are men, but hardcore gamers are still overwhelmingly male.
Regardless his target is gamers for fuck sake. You find this will all types of games, some of turns into machinima. Of course this doesn't make it any better, but I don't see the point of getting so fucking pissed off about it when other media are even worse and more graphic about this type of behaviour. I'm more concerned about fucking happy slapping and all that statged youtube violence than fucking GTA.
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Ffs what do you think 'most likely' means?
it means that you assume there are more men than women. but you dont know whether thats true or if theres enough of a difference for it to be relevant.
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Doesn't mean that all of them are men, but hardcore gamers are still overwhelmingly male.
you dont know that either. maybe online women gamers just pretend they are male, because its easier than dealing with the killjoy harassment of guys like the video maker above. and offline, well how would you know really? most men that do play games are probably casual gamers rather than 'hardcore'. you dont know that theres any significant difference in numbers of male versus female hardcore gamers.
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Regardless his target is gamers for fuck sake.
perhaps he too is stuck in a previous decade/century.
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You find this will all types of games, some of turns into machinima. Of course this doesn't make it any better, but I don't see the point of getting so fucking pissed off about it when other media are even worse and more graphic about this type of behaviour. I'm more concerned about fucking happy slapping and all that statged youtube violence than fucking GTA.
im posting a couple of messages on a fucking bulletin board, not protesting outside his house. do you usually overreact this much?
while i dont know about gender ratios of "hardcore" gamers (guess you'd define that as whoever decides to call themselves that), people have done polls or surveys or somesuch about gender ratios of gamers. the number of women who play games seems to be somewhere between 35-45%. so gaming's definitely not so much of a boy's club anymore.
and i believe i have heard a lot of women who play games online, at least, try not to draw attention to the fact that they're female, due to stupid treatment by male gamers (perhaps not a majority of them, but enough of a minority for it to be notably shitty). often either gets them the attention of sex pests, or earns them some abuse from people who are feeling WAY too macho for someone who sits around playing video games all day.
er, and nothing much from me to say about the video. seems somewhat creepy to me and a bit offensive, but there are a lot of amazingly offensive gamers out there who seem to be really proud of it, so it's kinda par for the course. and, beside that, i tend to anthropomorphize things a lot, and i'm used to playing games working under at least a loose version of my moral views, so i might not be a great one comment on it. 
Arf, while women playing games are on the rise, the types of games they play are different from men. It is usually divided into causal and hardcore gaming, and these categories are gendered referring to the types of games rather than the amount of time spent on them. You can play casual games obsessively for hours after all, but the gameplay is different (i.e. it can be played in increments rather than requiring lots of attention in one go).
Causal usually refers to "female" games (e.g. Tetris and Bejeweled is seen as this), and hardcore to shooters and sports and also MMOGs such as WoW (though obviously there are loads of different types of MMOGs out there). Casual gamers are often older as well, and hardcore denotes the young. The stereotype then is that casual gamers are 30 somethings women, while hardcore is a male in his 20s.
I don't have industry wide stats at hand at the moment (don't have access to academic databases), but I have some at hand
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All Casual Games Consumers
Female 51%, Male 49%
Over 35 yrs old 62%, Under 35, 38%Paying Casual Games Customers
Female 74% 26% MaleOver 35 yrs old 72%, Under 35 28%
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Readership Facts of 1UP.comUnique Monthly Visitors:
13 MillionGender Ratio:
92% male / 8% femaleMedian Age:
20 years old
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WoW Gender-Bending
23% of male players (N = 939) listed a character of the opposite gender as their most enjoyable character compared with 3% of female players (N = 184). In WoW, men are about 7-8 times as likely to gender-bend than women.
Given a hypothetical pool of 1000 players:
840 would be male players
160 would be female playersOf the 840 male players:
193 would be playing a female character
647 would be playing a male characterOf the 160 female players:
5 would be playing a male character
155 would be playing a female characterThus, altogether there are 348 female characters of which 193 (55%) would be played by a male player.
And there are 652 male characters of which 5 (< 1%) would be played by a female player.In other words:
about 1 out of every 2 female characters is played by a man
about 1 out of every 100 male characters is played by a womanThe RL gender distribution is 84% male vs. 16% female.
The in-game gender distribution is 65% male vs. 35% female.Men over the age of 18 are more likely to gender-bend (25%) than men under the age of 18 (10%). Players who gender-bend score significantly higher on the Customization and Mechanics motivations than players who do not gender-bend. In other words, the two primary reasons why players gender-bend are to be able to be more stylish and to optimize their character (via gifts?).
From a BBC UK study on gaming, which has lots of stats but it's all images so I can't copy and paste. This is the conclusion
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The Gender Split
Contrary to popular belief, the gender split between gamers is
fairly even across all age groups. Although female gamers never
overtake their male counterpart, the figures are particularly
even in the youngest and oldest gaming groups. Between the
ages of 16-35 the ratio of males to females is slightly higher, but
the stereotype of a large gender gap in gamers - in any age
group - is untrue.Females and males do however display some different prefer-
ences in gaming categories. Simulations and MMOGs perform
equally well with males and females, while RPGs and Strategy
fare only marginally better with males. Females then show
strong approval for Music/Dance, Puzzles/Board/Quiz, and
Classic games. Males show strong approval for Action-
Adventure, Racing, Sports, and First Person Shooters. Simula-
tions and MMOGs seem to be key to attracting audiences of
both genders equally: Sports and Shooting category games
generally hold the lowest appeal for females, although it should
be noted that this doesn’t mean they have no appeal: 12% of
females play First Person Shooters.
and your point is what?
see straight away im questioning the idea that casual and hardcore refers to game genre rather than time spent. that just seems like such an obvious way to skew stats in favour of males, if one assumes that all games that women show a stronger preference for are the wrong type of game.
i'd be more inclined to define hardcore gamers by the percentage of their own, personal leisure time they spend on gaming, of any sort of video game, including pc, console, or arcade. so for example someone who looks after a family and works full time and has very little leisure time but spend nearly all of it playing games would be more hardcore than someone with a lot of leisure time who only plays games occasionally, regardless of the type of game chosen.
also - in my experience women and girls like one player adventure, role playing, and games where you have to look after/build up a character for a long period of time. whereas a lot of guys like to play games with mates - like fighting or racing - and which dont require the same level of devotion.
so obviously depending on time spent building up your career (which is optional) and skills in the latter, one could be considered a hardcore gamer, or a casual gamer, and the genre is irrelevant.
so yeh, defining casual/hardcore by genre seems entirely stupid to me.
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Killing a prostitute in GTA4
fuckin hell