How was it for you.....
Oct 25 2009 19:05
Whats the feedback on the bookfair then.... Did you pick up any good stuff? I for one spent a fortune! Picked up some class second-hand books: Proletarian Order by Gwynn Williams; Workers Control & Socialist Democracy by Carmen Sirianni; From the Bourgeois to the Proletarian Revolution by Otto Ruhle. Also picked up a brilliant pamphlet on The Life and Times of Joe Thomas as well as the latest Aufheben! Enough to be going on with methinks.
Oct 25 2009 19:28
#2
i was at an ICC presentation yesterday, bought The Trade Unions Against the Working Class and the most recent IR.
Oct 25 2009 19:39
#3
Went to the postal strike and education talks, enjoyed those. As far as books go I bought Joseph Kay's pamphlet - I'm on a budget 
Beat Jack at giving out Catalysts too.
Oct 25 2009 22:09
#4
Grace wrote:
Beat Jack at giving out Catalysts too.
Boobs.
Gotta say, I'm looking forward to seeing a hard copy of new Catalyst. The PDF looks amazing...glad to see SF finally responding to the high standard set in presentation by the AF.
Oct 25 2009 22:22
#5
Yeah, I'm particularly amused by the guy with no nose on page 2.
~J.
Oct 25 2009 22:26
#6
The new Catalyst looks like Industrial Worker.
Oct 25 2009 23:18
#7
Philistine 
Oct 26 2009 00:10
#8
Yeah, poorly cropped photos aside it's a definite improvement. Like, I would actually hand those out to people, and not feel like a complete tool. Actually, it's probably the first anarchist publication I've seen for which that's true. It's definitely better than IW. The only edition of IW I ever read ran a story about "What if Thomas the Tank Engine was an Industrial Unionist".
EDIT: At the bookfair I bought everyone's papers to curry favour with all the libcoms on the stalls. I even grabbed a copy of International Revolution for a cheeky £1. Also got Black Flag and Aufheben, because they are actually good.
~J.
Oct 26 2009 01:07
#9
BigLittleJ wrote:
I even grabbed a copy of International Revolution for a cheeky £1.
it's usually 40p.
Oct 26 2009 02:40
#10
BigLittleJ wrote:
Also got Black Flag and Aufheben, because they are actually good.
What's in the latest Aufheben?
Were there any particularly interesting/new publications at the bookfair this year, that everyone is raving/wanking over, that foreigns can only dream about? What is 'International Revolution'?
Oct 26 2009 08:46
#11
jef costello wrote:
BigLittleJ wrote:
I even grabbed a copy of International Revolution for a cheeky £1.it's usually 40p.
Oh, fuck you Alf.
~J.
Oct 26 2009 12:52
#12
captain soap wrote:
What's in the latest Aufheben?
analysis of the crisis (part 1)
recession struggles in the UK
revisiting the state debate
something about football
Oct 26 2009 14:02
#13
I got the latest Black Flag (I'm slagged off in it), and Direct Action, and some South African syndicalist stuff off the ZACF stall, plus Notes from the Borderland, Catalyst, and some Visteon pamphlets from the Libertarian Socialist wing of HSG.
I forgot to get any WSM (www.wsm.ie) stuff...
I went to the Postal support group meeting, and the first part of the Crisis meeting with Paul Mason and two other blokes, the first of whom was good, the other (John Holloway?) some welsh guy anyway was mad...
I also went to the L&S meeting which I thought was very good.
Oct 26 2009 14:45
#14
I got Aufheben and some free stuff.
The venue smelt worse this year, I'm not sure if that's because there were more punks than last time, or if I just got there later.
Good to meet a couple of new people, and see some old faces again.
I thought the libcom pub was quite good, maybe use it next year as well.
Did any of the Solfed or AF people who weren't on libcom already talk to anyone outside their group? What progress did you make in your merger talks?
knight rose without a beard looked funny.
Oct 26 2009 14:46
#15
PS where is vanilla slagged off - links?
Oct 26 2009 15:01
#16
Alan wrote:
Grace wrote:
Beat Jack at giving out Catalysts too.Boobs.
Gotta say, I'm looking forward to seeing a hard copy of new Catalyst. The PDF looks amazing...glad to see SF finally responding to the high standard set in presentation by the AF.
No Alan, they were responding to Organise! going for a tabloid format with the Leveller.
Oct 26 2009 15:20
#17
With regards to Catalyst, I'm not sure it's the right move to go tabloid... Ignoring the content which was fine, it does look just like "another trot paper" surely?
I know there's a problem with the typical photocopied A4 newsletter look, but I'm not sure a tabloid is the way to go, I think maybe a colour A4 newsletter would be better like the Hackney Heckler or even spot colour like Totally Indypendent, and Organise, maybe it should be another thread though?
Steven - I'm criticised by name in the Manchester No Borders article in Black Flag, as are Paul Stott and Ian Bone. 
Oct 26 2009 15:25
#18
BigLittleJ wrote:
jef costello wrote:
BigLittleJ wrote:
I even grabbed a copy of International Revolution for a cheeky £1.it's usually 40p.
Oh, fuck you Alf.
~J.
Conned by an ICCer? There's only one thing left to do
Oct 26 2009 15:27
#19
Vanilla - The right to reply is welcomed (in fact encouraged) for the next issue of Black Flag.
Oct 26 2009 15:42
#20
Deezer wrote:
Alan wrote:
Grace wrote:
Beat Jack at giving out Catalysts too.Boobs.
Gotta say, I'm looking forward to seeing a hard copy of new Catalyst. The PDF looks amazing...glad to see SF finally responding to the high standard set in presentation by the AF.
No Alan, they were responding to Organise! going for a tabloid format with the Leveller.
Who are Organise? Are they linked to these guys?
(is that Bobby bottom right with his new haircut cruisin' for chix in NZ?)
Oct 26 2009 15:44
#21
playinghob wrote:
Vanilla - The right to reply is welcomed (in fact encouraged) for the next issue of Black Flag.
I know, however I will probably reply initially in Freedom, then expand on it for Black Flag if they want, I'm not waiting six months to reply though 
Oct 26 2009 16:10
#22
Vanilla: By all means respond in Freedom. But also consider a response in BF as well - we are trying to encourage debate in BF - both Ian and Paul are considering a response.
Oct 26 2009 16:15
#23
playinghob wrote:
Vanilla: By all means respond in Freedom. But also consider a response in BF as well - we are trying to encourage debate in BF - both Ian and Paul are considering a response.
I spoke to one of the editors quite a lot about contributing at the bookfair I have every intention of doing so.
Oct 26 2009 17:32
#24
Steven. wrote:
Did any of the Solfed or AF people who weren't on libcom already talk to anyone outside their group?
talk to the popular peoples front? heresy!
Steven. wrote:
What progress did you make in your merger talks?
there aren't any. we were discussing industrial strategy and closer co-operation, further initiatives may arise from this.
vanilla.ice.baby wrote:
With regards to Catalyst, I'm not sure it's the right move to go tabloid... Ignoring the content which was fine, it does look just like "another trot paper" surely?
it's not aimed at people who would really know what a Trot paper is, it's for distro to the general public. it's much easier shifting a free newspaper at train or tube stations than it is a folded bit of A3, piggybacking on the Metro et al's hegemony.
vanilla.ice.baby wrote:
I know there's a problem with the typical photocopied A4 newsletter look, but I'm not sure a tabloid is the way to go, I think maybe a colour A4 newsletter would be better like the Hackney Heckler or even spot colour like Totally Indypendent, and Organise, maybe it should be another thread though?
go for it; since most of our organisations are for the most part propaganda groups, propaganda's a pretty important topic to discuss
Oct 26 2009 17:40
#25
Hopefully future issues will be on slightly thinner paper (40gsm as opposed to 52gsm for the current one) but full colour. Hackney Heckler looked fantastic.
Tabloid was chosen for a few tactical reasons -
1. 8 page tabloid is cheaper than 8 pages of A4, despite the extra size
2. People are used to taking papers in the street now with the Metro, London Lite and soon the standard.
3. In the opinion of the people who suggested the change, tabloid just looks better and more professional.
Oct 26 2009 18:20
#26
Can't believe I missed the bookfair and internet anarchy drinks just to go to a shit Berlin techno night that was so boring I ended up taking 2cb just for something to do and then epically breaking my head. 
(Am exaggerating slightly, the rest of my weekend was actually ace. Still, missing the bookfair sucks.)
Oct 26 2009 18:50
#27
BigLittleJ wrote:
jef costello wrote:
BigLittleJ wrote:
I even grabbed a copy of International Revolution for a cheeky £1.it's usually 40p.
Oh, fuck you Alf.
~J.
it's an even $1 over here, so you made a modest contribution to the cause.
Oct 26 2009 18:57
#28
'International Revolution' = World Revolution, ICC paper in UK. It now costs £1 so no one never conned no one.
Went for a curry with members of Solfed, Organise (though they can be the same thing at once), EWN, EWG (although they can be in all four things at once), AF and others, including BigLittleJ, who is sensibly remaining independent while he thinks things through. And Weeler, who wears an enormous badge saying 'ex-WSM and still smarting'. And Jef Costello, who is accused of being 'gay for the ICC'.
Oct 26 2009 19:02
#29
Alf wrote:
Went for a curry with members of Solfed, Organise (though they can be the same thing at once), EWN, EWG (although they can be in all four things at once)
that'll be Choccy then
Oct 26 2009 19:15
#30
Should I be worried that the man from the ICC just called me sensible?
i bought black flag, forgot to buy 'against nationalism' and gave away about 4 million Catalysts.