raw wrote:
We demand the ICC make a statement to finally declare the proletariat line in this latest situation.
that's the spirit 
Jack and Revols obsession with wombles - a thesis
raw wrote:
26.07.2006 13:08 since when have the wombles been anarchist?? They're secret leninist vanguardists jackHomepage: http://www.libcom.org.uk
Looks to me like revol posted that. Revol, if you did that was fucking stupid and fucking irresponsible
John. wrote:
raw wrote:
26.07.2006 13:08 since when have the wombles been anarchist?? They're secret leninist vanguardists jackLooks to me like revol posted that. Revol, if you did that was fucking stupid and fucking irresponsible
posted what and on where? when i click that link all i get is the frontpage.
pingtiao wrote:
No not revol, but notjack either: wrong style. Jack wouldn't post as some defender of the true faith of anarchism against the lifestylist horde, he thinks that 'anarchism' is already bad enough.
post what? I don't get anything off the link, and i would apreciate it if certain indy poofs didn't make baseless assumptions. twat
revol68 wrote:
posted what and on where? when i click that link all i get is the frontpage.
here: http://indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/07/346026.html?c=on#c152562
see we can understand (almost) jack's obsession, being the posh school graduate working at daddys firm, but what really is a mystery is the obsession of the genuine working class no-nonsense class struggle anarchism of genuine no-nonsense worker revol68 who is so pissed off with a minor anarhist group from london that he's spent the last 2 years stalking their every move across cyberspace instead of putting all that class struggle energy into something productive and concrete in his own community/workplace?
raw wrote:
see we can understand (almost) jack's obsession, being the posh school graduate working at daddys firm, but what really is a mystery is the obsession of the genuine working class no-nonsense class struggle anarchism of genuine no-nonsense worker revol68 who is so pissed off with a minor anarhist group from london that he's spent the last 2 years stalking their every move across cyberspace instead of putting all that class struggle energy into something productive and concrete in his own community/workplace?
And by stalking you mean replying to your shit arguments on a board i post on, and one incident of pissing around bored on Wikipedia? I mean maybe if i had called round with a few buddies and threatened someone, maybe if I had continued to go onto a website I took every oppurtunity to insult, including at a open meeting, maybe, just maybe, i would not be obsessed but rather a rational person taking their "politics seriously". The simple fact is that you seem to think the lil fuck abouts on this site are of any great significance, whilst I don't and to be honest if the Libcom crew were as sad, petty and tedious as your goodself they would have banned your arse years ago.
and so it goes on, secure in the knowledge the class struggle is safe in revol68 hands. Apart form skating mercilessly across cyberspace for the past 2 years he's done [...fill in as appropriate...] in his community/workplace. revol68 we salute your indefatigability.
raw wrote:
and so it goes on, secure in the knowledge the class struggle is safe in revol68 hands. Apart form skating mercilessly across cyberspace for the past 2 years he's done [...fill in as appropriate...] in his community/workplace. revol68 we salute your indefatigability.
well i could list alot of shit I've been involved in, and i could name of shit i should have done more in, but I think it misses the point somewhat, namely that class struggle is not penance, and it's not about feeling guilty that your not doing enough to stop all the injustice in the world. It's a matter of your own struggles, and in the absence of such struggles and outside trying to do your lil bit, i think the most fruitful thing to do is to engage in some critical thought. For the past 2 years it's meant stepping back for me, and in the last 6 months I've began to feel motivated again to get involved in some stuff. At present it's a matter of trying to get on my feet, sort out debts and keep my job. Y'know all those dull "struggles" of everyday life. i do not live in an activist ghetto, most of my friends aren't politico's and so I don't have the conveniance of mixing my social life with politics. Now if you feel there are points to be gained from playing the "activist" card i suggest you haven't moved beyond your crap "activist ghetto" nor grasped it's relation to the wider class. Namely that the vast majority of people have neither the desire nor time to "throw" themselves into "activism" and that we need to understand this in any analysis or strategy we have for "struggle".
raw wrote:
and so it goes on, secure in the knowledge the class struggle is safe in revol68 hands.
Better him than you, he tends to use logic and he quite frequently has an actual argument. He also doesn't use smilies to pretend he's said something good when in fact its inane waffle.I don't like him and he's a bit of a dick but you haven't a leg to stand on with this.
Argh revol for the love of crimeny can you not do this stuff the reaction clogs up the boards 
. raw given that it was clearly a deliberate wind-up, do you not think that swallowing it hook line and sinker is a bit pointless? There's better things to do with life than try and make an unreprentant revol apologise.
raw wrote:
Sorry and who the fuck are you "Jef Costello"?
Does it really matter?Unless you want to make some personal atacks.
Quote:
We demand the ICC make a statement to finally declare the proletariat line in this latest situation.
Why did you say this out of interest? It looked for a second like you had a sense of humour.
Nemo wrote:
FWIW comrade, I like the Wombles, and I think their commitment to keeping Britain tidy is admirable. Shame on revol for slandering them!
Yeah, I used to really like the wombles. I was very disappointed when I worked out that this wasn't the libertarian communnists' homepage http://www.wombles.easyweb-solutions.co.uk/pages/fmain.htm I was captiavted, though introducing each "womble" would probably be poor security :( or something
Splat!guydebordisdead wrote:
Nemo wrote:
Well, I can't prove this, but I think he may be a sockpuppet of revol.Any truth in this?
No, it was just a lie. I thought raw wasn't paranoid enough, and so I tried messing with his head. (If you read the second part of the message you will see that I fake confusion over who the Wombles are.) If he had bit I would have claimed that the whole libcom move thing was a trick of revol's, and that all the admins were really revol.
Besides, revol is really a sockpuppet of Jack's. 
Jack wrote:
Dislikes
Activism, Capitalism, scabs, David Irving, liberals, local shops, Nick Cohen, Summit Protests, hardcore, Trotskyists, the commodity form, the song 'Justin's by Against Me!, The Killers, People who think Islamism is acceptable because of some relativist bollocks, post-modernism, National Liberation Struggles, Anti-abortionists, Irish Platformists, punks, the BNP, people who make 'not voting' into a dogma and act as if it's a really important and powerful statement, La Haine, drop outs, pro-war 'lefties', Jimmy Carr, hard drug dealers, Stalinism, Coldplay, Bob Geldof, people who think we need to be less materialistic, Hard-Fi, activists, sociology, Little Britain, alienation, domestic abuse, anti-men feminists, Maoists, hippies, people who have different politics to me on obscure subjects of little import, George Galloway, Holby City, the Kaiser Chiefs, John Wayne, Gone with the Wind, Open source fanatics, goths, getting up for work, George Monbiot, consensus decision making in meetings, Peter Kay, Gandhi, Harry's Place, paedos, Doctor Zhivago, people who use the term 'heterosexism' instead of homophobia and 'majority world' instead of 'third world', homeopathy, Class War Federation, animal rights, David Aaronovich, those who identify proletarian with factory worker (or even worse: with manual labourer) and thus cannot see what is subversive in the proletarian condition.
a slightly woryingly long list, but notably no explicitly namechecking the WOMBLES.
Warning!
Verbosity kills!
Write with care!
Concision saves lives!
Nemo wrote:
Dislikes
Everything
EDIT: Also...
Jack wrote:
Dislikes
... David Irving, ... Nick Cohen, ... the BNP, ... Coldplay, ... paedos, ... David Aaronovich, ...
Oh, come on! That's a little unfair! Paedophiles aren't that bad, surely?
Nemo wrote:
Well, I can't prove this, but I think he may be a sockpuppet of revol.FWIW comrade, I like the Wombles, and I think their commitment to keeping Britain tidy is admirable. Shame on revol for slandering them!
it's sad to see a daft liberal twat like you defending the wombles - however you're right that jef is a sockpuppet of revol, who with typical cackhandedness gave him one brass button (off his da's aprentice boys uniform ) and a duffle coat button for his eyes
good thread though raw! 
pepe carvalho wrote:
Nemo wrote:
FWIW comrade, I like the Wombles, and I think their commitment to keeping Britain tidy is admirable. Shame on revol for slandering them!it's sad to see a daft liberal twat like you defending the wombles
Womrade, I don't think I am exaggerating when I say that the Wombles are probably the greatest thing to happen to British activism, ever! The radical left would not have made as much progress as it has without the effort put in by our brave heroes, the Wombles. The streets have never been tidier! Call me a daft liberal twat if you will, but I feel it in my heart that I am more radical than you, and when the revolution comes, I will be standing side by side with the likes of Wellington, Orinoco, Great Uncle Bulgaria, and Madame Cholet, and you will be stood up against the wall with your petty-bourgeois reactionary friends. 
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For over 3 years Revol and Jack have had a political and personal obsession with wombles which I believe is irrational, misguided and just plane wierd! The recent "spook" by Revol on public websites like Indymedia shows this obsession as well as Jacks alledged post on the IMC UK post of the same "spoof", shown below: Well 26.07.2006 13:08 since when have the wombles been anarchist?? They're secret leninist vanguardists jack
Homepage: http://www.libcom.org.uk This continued attack has no political basis, with both Revol and Jack unable to present a valid case against Wombles apart from third and fourth hand hearsay. This is an unacceptable way of political debate and shows their weakness as political "activistoids". We demand the ICC make a statement to finally declare the proletariat line in this latest situation. Raw