libcom.org slogan/tagline and vocab brainstorming - help!
Apr 16 2006 14:57
Hey everyone,
We're doing a few bits and pieces with libcom.org that we've been putting off, getting stuff we've need to do for ages sorted.
A really big part of this is coming up with a central tagline-slogan thingy for the site to replace "libertarian community and organising resource", and also some associated words + vocab to describe bits of the site, and what it is we're trying to do.
Key things are we want to avoid cliched rhetoric and avoid political jargon. "libertarian" is too jargony.
So basically can we please have ideas/comments/suggestions for a tagline for the site? Even just random words or concepts which you think are important would be good, we can brainstorm and hopefully get something good out in the end.
Another important thing is coming up with a description of who it is this site is aimed at. It's aimed basically at radical working people + their families - working class people who want to improve all of our conditions. But we don't like the word "radical". Or "militant", so any suggestions please!
A couple of ideas we've been batting round for taglines include
libcom.org - transforming everyday life
libcom.org - a resource for radical workers (without the radical)
I like "everyday" references, which would tie into the Manifesto... but please people go crazy. We in the group are going to get together and get pissed and try to pick a final one. Actually we could even do it with some forum users at the libcom London drinks next month.
Cheers for any input!
Apr 16 2006 15:59
#2
i think people who feel the need to justify things by appealing to "everyday" or "commonsense" are a bunch of cunts caught in a "End of History" reformist paranoia.
Plus it's overly laboured, and also the fact that "everyday" is fucking bollox, we don't want "everyday", we want a fucking rupture with the mundane.
Apr 16 2006 16:05
#3
"Refused's online anarcho-dating pool".
Apr 16 2006 16:14
#4
revol68 wrote:
we don't want "everyday", we want a fucking rupture with the mundane.
that'll be why John said 'transforming' then 
Apr 16 2006 16:16
#5
"Libcom.org - a fucking rupture with the mundane"
hmm. has punk (or should that be emo?) appeal revol, but not a lot else 
John. wrote:
we don't like the word "radical". Or "militant", so any suggestions please!
er ... 'concerned' . Yeah the aversion to radical/militant is a real consequence of Thatcherism. I was chatting at length with my gf's mum this weekend (a former nurse), telling me all about the bureaucracy killing the nhs and the bullshit introduction of 'private sector management techniques' into her current community sector job (they're all being made redundunt and offered similar jobs with more work on a lower rate 
). Then she was saying about how they use 'career developement' etc to divide and individualise workers. But she was at pains to stress that she's "not militant, but..."
Plus we had a chat about france - they'd read an article in the Times claiming french workers only work one day a week (!) and are a complete burden on everyone (i.e. the bourgoisie) - but basically said, sounds good, and they've got better trains 
There's probably as much problem with 'workers' as 'militant' or 'radical'; i don't know many people who identify as 'workers' per se without a bit of explanation ... wage slaves is almost better but more divisive. Its pretty hard actually, i'll get my thinking cap on:
Apr 16 2006 16:17
#6
revol68 wrote:
i think people who feel the need to justify things by appealing to "everyday" or "commonsense" are a bunch of cunts caught in a "End of History" reformist paranoia.Plus it's overly laboured, and also the fact that "everyday" is fucking bollox, we don't want "everyday", we want a fucking rupture with the mundane.
Could people please make actual suggestions, rather than snidey little digs thanks. I would quite like "for a revolution of everyday life" as it happens, but the word "revolution" is too twisted and loaded for it to useful I feel.
Apr 16 2006 16:19
#7
LibCom - Got Ilk?
LibCom - Where plans meet pedantry.
Apr 16 2006 16:19
#8
John. wrote:
Could people please make actual suggestions
*goes off to plunder more situationist slogans from the library*
hmm ... "the bosses need us, we don't need them!" ? 
Apr 16 2006 16:21
#9
tbh I'd quite like to have a few different ones that change at random when you refresh the page.
[/waits to be shouted down]
Apr 16 2006 16:23
#10
Catch wrote:
tbh I'd quite like to have a few different ones that change at random when you refresh the page.[/waits to be shouted down]
no thats cool. this brainstorm has yet to come up with one decent one though 
Apr 16 2006 16:23
#11
Joseph K. wrote:
Catch wrote:
tbh I'd quite like to have a few different ones that change at random when you refresh the page.[/waits to be shouted down]
no thats cool. this brainstorm has yet to come up with one decent one though
lol yeah i think that will be a problem!
Apr 16 2006 16:28
#12
Are we excluding the word "community" on any grounds?
Apr 16 2006 16:30
#13
Refused wrote:
Are we excluding the word "community" on any grounds?
nope. people please feel free to suggest whatever - we can try to filter or find synonyms for jargon later. Just ideas please! Don't worry if people will think it's shite - and can people please not criticise others' suggestions (unless constructively) so we can have as many as possible to draw from.
People making unconstructive criticism will have their comments removed from the discussion from now, so post without fear!
Apr 16 2006 16:36
#14
Libcom - Liberating and community oriented
Libcom - For when the bastards grind you down
Libcom - Where militant isn't a dirty word
Libcom - Where pretty people talk clever
Libcom - Because you haven't got anything better to do at work
Apr 16 2006 17:02
#15
I like to situtate the site geographicaly - U.K. etc.
Apr 16 2006 17:06
#16
ok, lets try the 'if you through enough shit...' approach:
"for human beings not human resources"
"building the world that is born in our hearts" (twisting Durruti)
"building a community big enough for dreams" (corny 
)
"more life, less work" (sounds like bloody 'work-life balance' PR )
"taking back our time"
and on an REM tip "we're sick of being JERKED AROUND!"
dammit advertising (and crimethinc) has recuperated all the best words. capital kills meaning
Saii wrote:
Libcom - Because you haven't got anything better to do at work
Apr 16 2006 17:09
#17
contra capital
contra class
etc.
Apr 16 2006 17:19
#18
'until all time is free time'
'all play and no work'
Apr 16 2006 17:37
#19
Libcom. Because American Anarchism Sucks, But I don't want to Learn French.
Apr 16 2006 17:41
#20
Joseph K. wrote:
'until all time is free time'
8)
Apr 16 2006 17:42
#21
Libcom - Self-empowerment to improve your work/life balance
Libcom - Because your manager talks crap
Libcom - News, views, and wheresmyshoes.
Apr 16 2006 17:47
#22
How about 5 or 6 key/tag words which can put next to each other which will boost google searches but becauase they are keywords they dont have to make some sort of constructive sentence.
[anarchist] [uk] [resource] etc.
Apr 16 2006 18:00
#23
hey John, I wasn't being snipey, just remembering how much I hate the words like "everyday" and "community".
"Killing dead time."
Apr 16 2006 18:47
#24
revol68 wrote:
hey John, I wasn't being snipey, just remembering how much I hate the words like "everyday" and "community".
You don't even like the concepts of a revolution of everyday life, or building true human community?
Sorry if I sounded harsh, I just didn't want people to feel they might get slagged of for contributing.
Some great suggestions everyone!
I'm liking the idea of rotating ones... rkn not too sure about the uk thing cos who knows that might change, it is a bit already. The keywords i dunno i think that would look crappy, and probably the only keywords would be the jargony ones - anarchism, communism, etc.
Apr 16 2006 18:49
#25
I dont think the UK influence of the site should change... the forums... im ok with the international bit. But i think it should stay UK based.
Discussion about geographical focus split here:
Apr 16 2006 18:57
#26
Libcom - Because your boss is still an asshole
Libcom- Direct Education through Direct Action
Libcom- Lazyness is a virtue
Libcom- Fixing Crimethinc misinformation
Libcom- Free speech, free choice, free blowjobs
Libcom- We put the W in Working class
Libcom- Cause reading anarchist theory is better than expense account reports.
Apr 16 2006 19:46
#27
Catch22 wrote:
Libcom- We put the W in Working class
or of course 'Libcom- We put the class in working class'
Apr 16 2006 19:50
#28
The W is more original imo. We always do the "class" bit.
Apr 16 2006 19:51
#29
Catch 22 wrote:
The W is more original imo. We always do the "class" bit.
Lol, I don't get how we put the "w" in though!
Apr 16 2006 20:00
#30
With a crane of course! A big crane run by IWW construction workers!
Libcom - transforming everyday workers