'Libertarias' - good/bad?

yes many people have objected to that but my feelings are - so what? One of them was a nutty mystic, do we want all the characters to be perfect anarchists all the time? Perhaps if anything they were a bit politcally minded at times, slightly 2 dimensional.

I'm not really sure what the objection to that bit is - is it because its politically bad, or just unneccessary plotwise?

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I thought a lot of the objections from Spanish anarchists were actually about the way that the Moroccan troops were portrayed. I've not seen it myself but will have the opportunity soon (as will anyone else) when we show it at our next film night on the 16th May. Only £4 including a meal

regards

Martin

fuckinell, including meal? Thats good value.

whats the menu?

oh i didn't even notice they were morroccan. Either we're i think we are all gods children or i'm so racist i just expected the morroccans to rape them anyway.

Seriously tho, its does not come across at all.

while i have absolutely no doubt that a fair number of spaniards conducted some rapes during the war, it is true that the moroccan troops were particularly notorious for raping women. people can talk all they want and claim this is racism, but it happened, and likely had very much to do with traditional life amongst the various tribes of morocco who were put into the army. i've come to understand that it was viewed as something of a "right" and natural thing for a conquering tribe to go wild on the civilian population (combine this with the traditional lack of respect for women and viewing them as possessions, and..). besides, this wasnt just the case in the spanish civil war... i read an article a little while back, about the moroccans who fought very effectively and with great distinction in the (non fascist) french army during WWII (as part of morocco was held by france). at one point, when they liberated an italian city, they conducted a number of rapes, but were punished for it and told it wouldnt be tolerated, and i gather it didnt happen again. of course, important difference from the spanish civil war: the spanish officers *didnt* have a problem with it at all. i dont remember the part in the movie where a spanish officer restrained them, which, frankly, does seem pretty unlikely. as has been pointed out in this thread already, the officers were pretty delighted to see the "reds" get what they thought coming to 'em, and guys like Queipo de Llano (who was an all-around bastard) boasted over the radio about the coming rapes to "republican" cities he was working on capturing.

but i can understand people getting pissed off, if the director of the movie was just doing all that to incite racism against moroccans. stuff like that did happen, yeah, but it's still possible to use it and bend it in a way that tries to dumb things down and promote worthless hatred.

Yep, the morrocan troops and the rapes at the end are what Spanish comrades living in Belfast when this was shown objected to. Also they were a bit concerned that there was no context or explanation as to why there were morrocan troops fighting for the fascists in the first place.

The durruti glorification, don't really think thats what was done 888 - was the man not really built up to be tore down?

All a bit too much mystical and religious nonsense running through it for me but I still reckon its a good film - about anarchists but obviously not made by an anarchist.