New Theories surounding false consciousness, the culture industry and stuff like that

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" Benjamin had slightly differrent views on the influence of the mass media. Although he too was a a member of the Frankfurt school, he could see that media and the culture industry had some potential. If people related to media then fine they were happy but if they didn't they would be shocked"

Its a nice day. i could be at the pub rewriting my chapter, or reading up for the next bits of work i've got to do. But no. I have to sit indoors marking this. Suggestions for suitable feedback plz?

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"Dear student, you will never amount to anything. Give up."

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If you are very generous about this kid's grammar then you could say he has a point and give him a distinction.

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I could. But I won't. While I understand that these men wrote this a loooong time ago and some of the terms might seem a bit difficult, ( (C) students, 2009) I did quite clearly state that I wanted them to read and quote from Adorno/Benjamin/Horkheimer for the students to then provide their own summary. The argument is surface, unevidenced, and quite frankly boring. Shall i find the feminism one for comments? That one always gets a laugh.

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That kid up the top is all, "yeh look, marxist critiques exist, but lets face it - you can't take life so seriously - if you embrace the alienation you can actually have quite a good time. Rather than try to understand culture, I live culture and got really high all semester and even managed to lose my V. Sure the media and culture is shit, we all know it - but it just reflects the economic base, alienation originates with wage labour and thats what we should be focussing on here mannn."

I say he is top of the class, its all there like.

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I miss marking essays in the pub on sunny days.

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"Dear student comrade, your understated communist critique is an inspiration to us all. You are so much better than all those dead German twats that I made you write about."

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I would be a very good lecturer, so encouraging and able to find gems of knowledge where there obviously really was nothing. Then I would sleep with all my hottest students.

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Leering sexpest lecturer ftw.

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dee wrote:
Shall i find the feminism one for comments? That one always gets a laugh.

yes please.

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I say he is top of the class, its all there like.

nice you think its a he. 80% of that group are female. Ah well, time for the feminist updates:

*this is an example of modern feminist theory. All typos are reproduced faithfully. my responses are marked by *

This will be exploring the Medias effect on adolescent gilrs in their transition to adulthood by using two main magazine publications to draw my research upon. They key areas that are to be explored within this dissertation are advertising, content and imagery and the general presentation of the texts and how they relate to the specific age group. I will be confronting the media publications and uncovering the reasons as to why female adolescents and women are confronted and consumed by such a destructive obsession and how much the media is actually at credit for the shift in transformation.

My aims and objectives are to conclude how the publications differ from each other and how they are similar when analysing the content and relating them to the specific age group that they are marketed for. Is it just a social aspect or a psychological one too, I won’t be going into great depth about psychological aspects but if I find a strong theme it is important to mention it.

*Yeah, that might be a good idea, seeing as you haven’t actually used any decent theoretical standpoint from which to operate so far….

*From Chapter 1 (apparently on Giddens and Goffman, presentation, concepts of the actor, duality of presentation)

Goffmans theory of presentations of the self with everybody performing for various audiences is simple and almost obvious like Giddens who is able to see people in a move of less common sense way also (Gauntlet, 2002, p106)

Consumer knowledge is required through society and a woman’s knowledge of feminism bettered itself. Women experience fear of not looking socially acceptable now as there is almost no excuse for not complying with these social norms.

*I suggest you find the definition of feminism. Then look up the definition of femininity. Compare them, and then consider what you have just written

Adorno argues that ‘something is produced for all so that none may escape’ (Gauntlet. 2002. p 21) By this they mean that there is so much time taken up by rubbish i.e T. V or Magazines that there isn’t time for resistance to develop. There is a sense of ‘false consciousness’ for example people may say it doesn’t affect them but these theorists suggest that audiences wouldn’t be aware of it anyway

Chapter 2

In the 1970's teenage girl magazines, they seemed to portray mostly stories about romance. Angela McRobbie (1977-1978) identified romance as the 'dominant theme' (Gill. 2008:184)...
The above has given way to a more modern version of a teenage girl's life, inclusing fashion, celebrities, pop music and boy watching. The recent magazines aimed at teenage girls such as J17 and bliss offer alternative versions of feminism to conform to that girls can seemingly chose from. I.e the 'girly-girl' or the 'rock chick'

* And i thought anarcho-feminism, liberal feminism, radical feminism and various others were the only choices. Where can i get some indie/ satirical comedy feminism from, does anyone know?

Recent magazines are commercial enterprises and are attentive to the changing desirers and values of female consumers. Conceptions of feminism and representations are often a product of market research aimed at satisfying the readers demands for a new conception of feminism. This debates whether girl's magazines are as harmful to readers as they might think because they are based upon the readers views and opinions of what they want want to be in their magazines (inness. 1998:22)

*Ah, the omnipresent 'they'. They control everything and have an opinion on everything, you know.

Recent magazines are often seen to be a commercial enterprise by posing as a bible for the young girl who wants to become today's modern woman.

*....no. I leave the comments up to you.
*ooh, and the thundering conclusion for this chapter (bearing in mind there is no discussion of historical/ contemporary socio sexual changes, a brief note that the editor of cosmo pushed boundaries, and absolutely no content analysis whatsoever to justify discussing the magazines content)...

When we speak of problamatising the transition of the content conveyed to the appropriate age group in Cosmo girl and cosmopolitan. It is clear to see from research that the transition has become lesser and lesser thus the boundary of what makes a girls magazine an girls magazine and what makes a woman's magazine a woman's magazine is becoming blurred and less obvious to the reader. For example teenage girls magazines are delivering topics that were originally sort to be seen as adult. It is a fact that these magazines feel it is important to discuss topics such as sex to make young girls aware or is it that young girls arre being turned and finetuned into young women too early. It is here we can see that there is becoming less of a transition in the content of magazines

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I would be a very good lecturer, so encouraging and able to find gems of knowledge where there obviously really was nothing. Then I would sleep with all my hottest students.

Everyone knows that Deezer is the best tutor.
He walks into class wearing a leather jacket, smoking, throws the ciggy on the floor and stamps it out. Then he tells everyone to throw their books at the wall and says 'who wants to go to the pub?' - he is a 'cool' tutor.

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When we speak of problamatising the transition of the content conveyed to the appropriate age group in Cosmo girl and cosmopolitan. It is clear to see from research that the transition has become lesser and lesser thus the boundary of what makes a girls magazine an girls magazine and what makes a woman's magazine a woman's magazine is becoming blurred and less obvious to the reader. For example teenage girls magazines are delivering topics that were originally sort to be seen as adult. It is a fact that these magazines feel it is important to discuss topics such as sex to make young girls aware or is it that young girls arre being turned and finetuned into young women too early. It is here we can see that there is becoming less of a transition in the content of magazines

this is just... amazing. eek

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Fine. Deezer might have that rarity, students who want to be there and take an interest in their topic. Mine seem to think I should be entertaining them. They don't get irony, sarcasm, and have all the social consciousness of whelks. And that's a disservice to whelks.
Weeler: you might get away with that, but last time i checked there were huge disciplinary things about doing that with students. Those days are long gone, when lecturers allegedly had rooms in halls to provide 'tutorials' (hem-hem) to their delicate lady students.

Right, had enough. Pub. smile

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this is just... amazing. eek

Wait till you see chapter 3 - anyways, it makes my brain and eyes hurt marking . Pub now

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dee, stop taking weeler seriously or I'll give you a sound thrashing at pie eating

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Sounds alright.

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Holy fuck that essay is horrific. Sounds like a similar sort of class to one that I'm doing (popular media culture, looking at frankfurt school, questions of representation and consumption etc etc) - I had to hand in 2 essays for that on Monday, I did them both the day before and they were country miles ahead of that fucking trainwreck.

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Whereas the feminism essay was written for submission as a dissertation (third year sociology). This person has had about a year to think about, research, plan and write this thing.

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How the hell did they get to third year with that quality of writing?

(edit - this is my first year!)

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i'm really smart and can run really really fast
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damn right cool (well, I wish it was...)

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How the hell did they get to third year with that quality of writing?

(edit - this is my first year!)

This is one of the abiding mysteries of University education. i try not to think about it anymore.

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How the hell did they get through A level with that quality of writing?

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