Nutters ahoy!
Feb 17 2006
anyone ever heard of these guys?
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=LM_group
i was going to do a filmmaking course run by a charity called worldwrite, which turns out is a bit of a front group for this LM group
pretty glad i didn't
Feb 21 2006
#2
Anarxhism won't (just) be a lose federation of small farming communities. The same labs will still exist. Instead of the profit motive, a greater drive towards knowledge will exist. Anarchism is capable of complex organisation - that doesn't require hierarchy, force and managers. Things may stall while society reorganises itslef but I think anarchism will be capable of greater scientific insight than capitalism. And if it isn't, it's worht the sacrifice.
As for LM, yes, they should be dismissed out of hand, and guarded against.
Feb 21 2006
#3
speaking as a broadly pro-GM promethean type, they strike me as a very strange crew all round.
Feb 21 2006
#4
LM are the remenants of the RCP. Utter scum, and should be avoided at all costs.
They're used to provide 'left wing' justification for nasty right wing shit.
Feb 21 2006
#5
'Living Marxism' were outside the anarcho bookfair, what nuts. And not just funny nuts like the Sparts, scary ones.
Feb 21 2006
#6
Hi
Just so you know. The RCP were ace and up for sex. "The Next Step" was a great paper. A copy of "Living Marxism" has got me laid on more than one occasion, I can tell you. Lately, the RCP’s remnants have been highly entertaining.
I’m surprised Jack doesn’t get involved, they sound right up his street.
Love
LR
Feb 21 2006
#7
Nah, I HATE the GM, and tend to think that genocide is a bad thing.
Feb 21 2006
#8
Jack wrote:
tend to think that genocide is a bad thing.
Is that what you say GM is you hippy fuck?
Feb 21 2006
#9
No, it's what I say ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavia is.
Altho I suppose if you're a UN lawyer, the specific use of the word may be incorrect.
Feb 21 2006
#10
I have to say, I heard about LM and the RCP a few years ago - and whilst a lot of their ideas sound like nuts at first, a lot of it isn't completely at odds with what a lot of people on these boards probably think.
I mean, the idea that technology might actually be good - if only it weren't controlled by the capitalist class - and that mainstream contemporary political thought might not be very adventurous - which seem to be the 2 main arguments highlighted by sourcewatch - don't seem too crazy to me
Feb 21 2006
#11
Hi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Communist_Party_%28Furedi%29
I've tried to blag cash from the Institute of Ideas, but they are as much a bunch of penniless losers as me.
In theory we should get on pretty well though, don’t you think? Especially seeing as I have had it off with every “The Next Step” seller ever. (Just the hotties actually).
Love
LR
Feb 21 2006
#12
Wasn't it always 'the next step' without caps?
Feb 21 2006
#13
Without trousers either, apparently.
Dec 15 2007
#14
The RCP, Furedi and Living Marxism's spirit lives on in the Institute of Ideas (think-tank) and Spiked (daily online magazine).
Check them out at:
http://www.instituteofideas.com/
and
I read spiked and culture wars everyday and everyday I find something new. I spoke in the Battle of Ideas, the IoI's main annual event. I went on spiked's journalism summer school, I am friends with their writers and editors (Brendan O'Neill is a really nice guy), I am participating in the school's debating competition organised by the IoI, My Politics teacher and his wife were prominant members of the RCP - if I were alive and politically active in the 70s and 80s, I would have been in the RCP
Frankly, Marxist humanism makes sense - reading the stuff they have produced, wether as LM and the RCP or as the IoI and Spiked I have learnt a lot about how i view the world from them, not giving them a look and trying to get involved yourself would be the worst thing you could do with the rest of your life
Dec 15 2007
#15
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/4164/
Some people on here should remember this spiked writer.
Devrim
Dec 15 2007
#16
JoelCohen wrote:
The RCP, Furedi and Living Marxism's spirit lives on in the Institute of Ideas (think-tank) and Spiked (daily online magazine).
Check them out at:http://www.instituteofideas.com/
and
I read spiked and culture wars everyday and everyday I find something new. I spoke in the Battle of Ideas, the IoI's main annual event. I went on spiked's journalism summer school, I am friends with their writers and editors (Brendan O'Neill is a really nice guy), I am participating in the school's debating competition organised by the IoI, My Politics teacher and his wife were prominant members of the RCP - if I were alive and politically active in the 70s and 80s, I would have been in the RCP
Frankly, Marxist humanism makes sense - reading the stuff they have produced, wether as LM and the RCP or as the IoI and Spiked I have learnt a lot about how i view the world from them, not giving them a look and trying to get involved yourself would be the worst thing you could do with the rest of your life
how long till he is banned? any bets?
Dec 15 2007
#17
Quote:
if I were alive and politically active in the 70s and 80s, I would have been in the RCP
I was politically active in the 80s. I remember the RCP as a group that had politics designed to be the opposite of what their middle class parents would think. Actually, I think that they had an interesting take on some cultural things. It was just a little bit of a shame that their politics were so-anti working class.
The miner's strike was a good example.
Devrim
Dec 15 2007
#18
Actually Devrim I don't think many will remember him outside you, me and JoeBlack2.
Wonder if he still has to work for a living?
Regards,
Martin
Dec 15 2007
#19
Actually I've just read some of his football stuff and it's a darn site better than his political stuff used to be. Even has humour in it.
regards,
Martin
Dec 16 2007
#20
martinh wrote:
Actually I've just read some of his football stuff and it's a darn site better than his political stuff used to be. Even has humour in it.regards,
Martin
I read some of it. It wasn't bad. The funny thing is that back in the day he wasn't really into football. Paul (from counters) and I used to go to Wimbeldon 
,but I don't remember Duleep ever going to Paris.
I don't remember his political writing as being that bad (stylistically not politically), but then I don't really remember it at all.
Devrim
Well, I understand that the concept on its face is pretty bewildering - anti-environmentalist, pro-capitalist ideology founded on Marxist as well as Anarchist and socialist ideas (yeah, WTF?), but I have to say that I think it shouldn't be dismissed as loony just out of hand. I hadn't heard of LM Group or even Furedi before, but reading up a bit on it (from the link you provided, even), I do think there's some interesting conceptual discussion that could be had...
I myself have trouble reconciling my increasing real belief in anarchism with the scale of technological and scientific research and development in modern society - hard to do gene research, create, say 80nm multi-core computer processors, etc., in a loose federation of small communities sharing resources.
To summarize my "point", while from the limited reading I did since I saw your post it certainly seems that Furedi might be a weird arch-conservative cult figure guy, there's a reasonable discussion to be had about how technology and science could continue to progress in a modern anarchist or socialist society.