Please quickly say what you think of libcom.org

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Hey all,

We're putting together a small page of reviews and things people have said about the site - both favourable and unfavourable - for our about section ( http://www.libcom.org/notes/about.php )

We're going to put up a bunch of quotations of things people have said about us, like

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Excellent site - a great resource. I really like the history section

- Luke, Brighton, UK

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Die red scum!

- By email, US

etc.

So please feel free to make comments like that (they can be longer or shorter, whatever), with a name, location or other credit you'd like (like a group you're a member of say).

We look forward to your responses!

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Libcom has improved immeasurably over the last year, to the point where I check its newswire for many of the stories I'll be writing tomorrow. Probably the best libertarian site in the english-speaking world at the moment, among the best leftist sites period.

- Rob Ray, Journalist (Freedom Press)

(non quote... Don't get big heads though folks, yur still well behind the corporate beasts grin )

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Libcom has improved immeasurably over the last year, to the point where I check its newswire for many of the stories I'll be writing tomorrow. Probably the best libertarian site in the english-speaking world at the moment, among the best leftist sites period.

- Rob Ray, Journalist (Freedom Press)

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(non quote... Don't get big heads though folks, yur still well behind the corporate beasts grin )

Yeah well for now, for now... mwah-hah-hah

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i for one think it is a great resource but the boards are quite cliquey but fun.

succinct enough i hope 8)

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"With the balls of Baudrillard, the bald cheek of Foucault and the sexiness of Beauvoir these young whippersnappers are making class struggle sexy again. " some pretentious cunt.
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"With libcom the cyber proletariat has discovered that the working class united is more potential than capital can powerfully imagine, these radges bring the fucking damage." Wayne
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"Best haircut i've ever had" some fat cunt from the wombles said at a squat party.
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"The only thing in the world prettier than me" The ever modest John.
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libcom.org beats Vogue, but is not quite there with Cosmo yet.

- revol68, Belfast, UK

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it passes the time when there is nothing on tv grin

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Since I joined libcom I have become everything I used to hate. So that's communism 1-0 monotheism.

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Refused wrote:
Since I joined libcom I have become everything I used to hate. So that's communism 1-0 monotheism.

Ha who can we quote that to - Refused, a former fundamentalist or something wink

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I was never a fundamentalist. Stop making racist assumptions. angry

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"Mentalist" then?

tongue

What were you anyway? you weren't a very religious muslim were you? (Edit - and do you still consider yourself to be a Muslim now btw?)

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I was a "didn't really give a shit" kind of Muslim. I'm an atheist now.

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One of the boards I visit most frequently but still too much juvenile cockery.

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nastyned wrote:
One of the boards I visit most frequently but still too much juvenile cockery.

We actually meant the site, not the forums...

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Very good, but what happened to the everyday manifesto? Interesting idea. can anyone contribute?

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Very good, but what happened to the everyday manifesto? Interesting idea. can anyone contribute?

Yup, please do. The "official" launch is upcoming - on hold while we were upgrading history.

The thread's here:

http://www.libcom.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6574

so if you want to contribute anything please say there what you're interested in 8)

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One of the boards I visit most frequently but still too much juvenile cockery.

We actually meant the site, not the forums...

I thought you did, but i only really visit the forums.

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I thought you did, but i only really visit the forums.

But they're the worst bit! sad

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Proves my point really.

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Proves my point really.

Er, one of them was yours ned. The second was in response to yours...

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Yes John. but i wasn't being insulting, i was just stating a fact.

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I'm a very big fan - in most respects it's the best lefty site I know. I think it should be pushed more by everyone using it.

Some stickers and posters throughout every town would be good, as well as flier, business cards and an update list of email addresses - not just anarchos - to post to whenever some bit of new content is added. With shit like that you'll get to a critical mass and you'll then get snowballing as people forward your updates - we could spider these to our autonomy updates BTW if youse want?

I see no practical reason why you can't get millions of Britains reading and contributing libcom. once you've got even a fraction of that you can start to really leverage it, in a way that no other political force in Britain has yet cottoned onto. Now is the time for it as well as print media continues to decline.

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In order to get there I'd suggest a few changes, altho these are just constructive, youse are doing a really good job.

The forums need to be made expressly clear that these are for 'libertarian community organising people', and that there is a 'site users forum' as well. That way you'd have two boards. One with the current thought/organise/intro thought and regional forums, and quite another with general and all the stuff that's usually in that alongside other 'user forum' catagories that your granny might want to post to. It's also necessary to deal with the antisocial crap in a far more judicious manner - open board rules should displayed as a sticky at the top of the index. These rules can be decided by votes on the forums if you like, and reveiewed at regular intervals. Once in place any infringement of the rules can be dealt with more effectively and people overstepping the mark can be banned or given restricted access. The present system of self-censorship and confused admin responses is not working as the idiots are still happily derailing good organising threads with in-jokes and sententious posturing.

I think it also needs to lose all the black and red stars and so on - it should be less clear that it's about communism, while at the same time making it more and more clear if you know what I mean - the everyday manifesto will help.

It should have regional news sections, altho that's not you guys' fault. We will send you the next edition of the Burgh Angel. In these sections you can push the class struggle but in a way that doesn't make it seem you're about ANARCHIST COMMUNISM OR DEATH!

Of course I jizzim my pants alongside everyone else who uses these forums at the mo, to see coverage of international strikes but to the average person covering such mega-news sets off the 'red-under-the-bed' sensor in a way that news of a huge demonstration in Kilmarnock to save a local hospital just doesn't. Libcom really could do both very effectively as youse are all very competant and sensible.

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I'm a very big fan - in most respects it's the best lefty site I know. I think it should be pushed more by everyone using it.

Some stickers and posters throughout every town would be good, as well as flier, business cards and an update list of email addresses - not just anarchos - to post to whenever some bit of new content is added.

That's a good idea - more offline promotion smile

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The forums need to be made expressly clear that these are for 'libertarian community organising people', and that there is a 'site users forum' as well. That way you'd have two boards. One with the current thought/organise/intro thought and regional forums, and quite another with general and all the stuff that's usually in that alongside other 'user forum' catagories that your granny might want to post to. It's also necessary to deal with the antisocial crap in a far more judicious manner - open board rules should displayed as a sticky at the top of the index.

This seems to be a neat way round the potentially off-putting nature of the main forums, particularly the "anti-social crap" Nick talks about. It's particularly bad that some people's bad behaviour is tolerated as it sends a message that there is one set of rules for mates of libcom and another for other people. But that said, these are a very useful way of helping order thoughts etc and, with more people, they are a way of broadening things out.

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I think it also needs to lose all the black and red stars and so on - it should be less clear that it's about communism, while at the same time making it more and more clear if you know what I mean - the everyday manifesto will help.

It should have regional news sections, altho that's not you guys' fault. We will send you the next edition of the Burgh Angel. In these sections you can push the class struggle but in a way that doesn't make it seem you're about ANARCHIST COMMUNISM OR DEATH!

Not so sure about this - I don't get the same feel off libcom, well maybe off the forums but not the rest of the site.

On a separate note - why not a history forum to tie in with the History section? I was thinking when I went through the BF stuff I've sent this week to you that the articles could sit in several different places.

Regards,

Martin

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Nick Durie wrote:

Some stickers and posters throughout every town would be good, as well as flier, business cards and an update list of email addresses - not just anarchos - to post to whenever some bit of new content is added. With shit like that you'll get to a critical mass and you'll then get snowballing as people forward your updates - we could spider these to our autonomy updates BTW if youse want?

Yeah as far as I know we have no e-mail announcements list at all, and rarely post messages about the site elsewhere, this is definitely something we should consider. It's a little tricky since we don't have a publishing schedule for any of the site sections, but we could consider doing something monthly with highlights of what's been going on.

Off-line promotion is a good idea as well, we've had one or two ideas which haven't got anywhere yet.

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The forums need to be made expressly clear that these are for 'libertarian community organising people', and that there is a 'site users forum' as well. That way you'd have two boards.The present system of self-censorship and confused admin responses is not working as the idiots are still happily derailing good organising threads with in-jokes and sententious posturing.

I hardly ever do moderating on the forums unless something particularly pisses me off - pretty much use them as a consumer rather than a site admin. Splitting or re-organising the forums is a good idea I think.

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I think it also needs to lose all the black and red stars and so on - it should be less clear that it's about communism, while at the same time making it more and more clear if you know what I mean - the everyday manifesto will help.

tbh I don't think the majority of people know that red and black stars are about communism, the site design's changing fairly quickly at the moment, with my personal favourite being /news in terms of how it looks. Design stuff isn't my strong point though.

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It should have regional news sections, altho that's not you guys' fault. We will send you the next edition of the Burgh Angel.

thanks!

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Of course I jizzim my pants alongside everyone else who uses these forums at the mo, to see coverage of international strikes but to the average person covering such mega-news sets off the 'red-under-the-bed' sensor in a way that news of a huge demonstration in Kilmarnock to save a local hospital just doesn't.

a bit like this one wink http://libcom.org/news/article.php/ayr-protest-280206

I'm responsible for at least some of the international strikes coverage - I always do UK/European news in that order but without access to every local paper in the country it's very difficult to keep it both frequently updated and not looking too leftie wank fest. We've stuck pretty strictly to reporting actual struggles going on when it's international news (as opposed to the constant comment on big events I see on a lot of other left sites which often eclipses any news at all), and I think it's worth having, but it needs to be balanced with much, much more news from here.

Stuff like this: http://libcom.org/news/article.php?story=dinner-ladies-strike-hackney-160206

and this: http://libcom.org/news/article.php/pub-regulars-somerstown-150206

Is what I'd like loads of, but the only way it'll happen is if we have maybe a dozen people 'round the country sending stuff in that they find (and if it has to be two sentences then a cut and paste from the local paper then that's fine, we can always edit/augment where possible).

The dinner lady one I saw in my local paper, found another article elsewhere and reworked - took about 10-15 minutes. Given that there's hundreds of llocal papers across the country with things like this going on nearly every week, that's a massive source of news about existing small scale struggles that's ignored entirely by just about everyone. The quality of reporting is often so bad that even a bit of local knowledge/background could also make it far better reported as well.

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the only way it'll happen is if we have maybe a dozen people 'round the country sending stuff in that they find

Yeah this is basically the best way in which it can happen. Thing is, on a regional level a lot of social struggles are covered, particularly on slow news days, as 'community news' type pieces which don't get the major coverage they deserve and then don't make it into the nationals.

Only real problem is the thorny issue of rewrites, which do need to happen cos of copyright, which especially as sites/papers become more popular and authoritative get noticed (at work it was found that we didn't have an account with PA but did use their releases, which they nearly gave us a £3,000 fine for), and of course getting busy activists to take the ten minutes it needs to do such rewrites and send them in on a regular basis.

Tis a good idea using the survey to try and help remedy that, there's basically no substitute for having a proper network - and I do think we need as a movement to get over this knee-jerk reaction to giving each other information like emails/phone numbers etc, as long as it can be made fairly safe so the wrong people don't get it (forgetting the state, who probably have abetter contacts list than any of us at this point).

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There is sometimes a problem with a lack of feedback from libcom editors.

For example last year I typed up the old "Working Class Heroes" pamphlet on Eddy Horner and submited it, half knowing there was no way Jack would ever allow such an article to go on.

I never heard a sausage, cannot see the article anywhere, so assume it got pulled?

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Kiss Ass!

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PaulMarsh wrote:
There is sometimes a problem with a lack of feedback from libcom editors.

For example last year I typed up the old "Working Class Heroes" pamphlet on Eddy Horner and submited it, half knowing there was no way Jack would ever allow such an article to go on.

I never heard a sausage, cannot see the article anywhere, so assume it got pulled?

Shit no it just came during a really busy time history-wise. I found it again the other day actually and have been meaning to check up on it and put it up. He's out of prison now right? You know what his political views are now?

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John Shit no it just came during a really busy time history-wise. I found it again the other day actually and have been meaning to check up on it and put it up. He's out of prison now right? You know what his political views are now?[/quote wrote:

There is a second pamphlet on his case, published just after his release by his local trades council.

Will re-read on my return, might be a good idea to either add that on, or to take some bits from it.

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John Shit no it just came during a really busy time history-wise. I found it again the other day actually and have been meaning to check up on it and put it up. He's out of prison now right? You know what his political views are now?[/quote wrote:

There is a second pamphlet on his case, published just after his release by his local trades council.

Will re-read on my return, might be a good idea to either add that on, or to take some bits from it.

Ok cool well I'll hold off doing anything till you get back. Sorry for not being good getting back to you, that is something we try really hard with cos we know lots of anarchists are shit at it.

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For example last year I typed up the old "Working Class Heroes" pamphlet on Eddy Horner and submited it, half knowing there was no way Jack would ever allow such an article to go on.

Were you bored Paul? Whatever happened to the comic?