problems in the movement
Jun 5 2009 13:24
ive been a member of abcmelbourne for sometime we had our ups & downs i now live in the suburbs butover the years no matter where i live , in my personal experiance these a big problem with communication in the anarchist movement also stander about other people group extra ,we need to unite in our struggle to over throw the government but not justto be conformist but have a real revolution & change the world for a better place
Jun 5 2009 20:31
#2
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ive been a member of abcmelbourne for sometime we had our ups & downs i now live in the suburbs butover the years no matter where i live , in my personal experiance these a big problem with communication in the anarchist movement also stander about other people group extra ,we need to unite in our struggle to over throw the government but not justto be conformist but have a real revolution & change the world for a better place
wait...hold on...
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What?
Jun 5 2009 22:47
#3
All we need is a little more hope, a little more joy. All we need is a little more light, a little less weight, a little more freedom. If we were an army, and if we believed that we were an army, and we believed that everyone was scared like little lost children in their grown up clothes and poses; so we ended up alone here floating through long wasted days, or great tribulations.. While everything felt wrong. Good words, strong words, words that could've moved mountains. Words that no one ever said. We were all waiting to hear those words and no one ever said them. And the tactics never hatched. And the plans were never mapped. And we all learned not to believe. And strange lonesome monsters loafed through the hills wondering why.. And it is best to never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever wonder why. So tangle -- oh tangle us up in bright red ribbons! Let's have a parade. It's been so long since we had a parade, so let's have a parade! Let's invite all our friends. And all our friends' friends! Let's promenade down the boulevards with terrific pride and light in our eyes: twelve feet tall and staggering.. Sick with joy with the angels there and light in our eyes. Brothers and Sisters, hope still waits in the wings like a bitter spinster; impatient, lonely and shivering, waiting to build her glorious fires. it's because of our plans man; our beautiful ridiculous plans. Let's launch them like careening jetplanes. Let's crash all our planes in the river. Let's build strange and radiant machines at this Jericho waiting to fall.
Jun 5 2009 22:54
#4
i was listening to that earlier
Jun 7 2009 03:29
#5
weeler wrote:
All we need is a little more hope, a little more joy. All we need is a little more light, a little less weight, a little more freedom. If we were an army, and if we believed that we were an army, and we believed that everyone was scared like little lost children in their grown up clothes and poses; so we ended up alone here floating through long wasted days, or great tribulations.. While everything felt wrong. Good words, strong words, words that could've moved mountains. Words that no one ever said. We were all waiting to hear those words and no one ever said them. And the tactics never hatched. And the plans were never mapped. And we all learned not to believe. And strange lonesome monsters loafed through the hills wondering why.. And it is best to never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever wonder why. So tangle -- oh tangle us up in bright red ribbons! Let's have a parade. It's been so long since we had a parade, so let's have a parade! Let's invite all our friends. And all our friends' friends! Let's promenade down the boulevards with terrific pride and light in our eyes: twelve feet tall and staggering.. Sick with joy with the angels there and light in our eyes. Brothers and Sisters, hope still waits in the wings like a bitter spinster; impatient, lonely and shivering, waiting to build her glorious fires. it's because of our plans man; our beautiful ridiculous plans. Let's launch them like careening jetplanes. Let's crash all our planes in the river. Let's build strange and radiant machines at this Jericho waiting to fall.
Reading this silly thread wasn't a complete waste of time.
Jun 7 2009 13:23
#6
pete green have you ever considered writing a book
lets run you by some names
the communist manifesto is an idea?
Jun 8 2009 17:53
#7
why the harsh responses? I agree with pete. theres no need to talk down to somebody who doesn't claim to have all the answers.
Jun 8 2009 21:15
#8
I like it when someone joins up with an incomprehensible semi-rant and then someone else signs up to defend them.
Jun 22 2009 09:56
#9
all im saying theses a clique in the activist movement everyone must agree you get snobbed couse your not cool enouth or you havnt got dreads or dont wear black we need to work to gether put our differents aside & work as one
Jun 22 2009 10:01
#10
sorry that rant is true but not apporpiate in this topic but is also
Jun 22 2009 10:32
#11
full stops are your friend.
Jun 22 2009 12:37
#12
pete green wrote:
you get snobbed couse your not cool enouth or you havnt got dreads or dont wear black we need to work to gether put our differents aside & work as one
Yeh, you are obviously talking about some sort of lifestylist movement that we have no interest in.
Everyone here looks like this;
Jun 22 2009 22:08
#13
Fuck off there poles 
Jun 23 2009 14:32
#14
well ileft school when i was 15 sorry
Jun 23 2009 14:34
#15
pete green wrote:
ive been a member of abc melbourne for sometime we had our ups & downs i now live in the suburbs, over the years no matter where i live , in my personal experiance these a big problem with communication in the anarchist movement also slander about other people group extra ,we need to unite in our struggle to over throw the government but not justto be conformist but have a real revolution & change the world for a better place
Jun 23 2009 15:07
#16
Yeh seriously pete, what the fuck are you on about.
Nobody here is in ABC, nobody here is in melbourne, nobody here has fucking dreadlocks or dresses in black.
Jun 23 2009 15:44
#17
'problems in the movement'
Try not to strain...
Jun 25 2009 07:41
#18
there is an abcmelb been goin 4 years why the back lash thats what im on about people not communicating
Jun 25 2009 07:46
#19
you seem to be the one having problems communicating.
Jun 25 2009 07:48
#20
Jun 25 2009 07:59
#21
vanilla.ice.baby wrote:
Fuck off there poles
I was talking about the guys in the hats, in front of the scaffolding poles. 
Jun 27 2009 21:43
#22
weeler wrote:
you seem to be the one having problems communicating.
Kind of strange response: you are having problems expressing yourself clearly on a site that is about liberation and you are condemned because you lack clarity of expression- you have not achieved the sufficient liberation from the inarticulate state of an uneducated worker to participate in the clever peoples anarchist forum.
As an undereducated, over worked and over stressed prole myself I despair of change ever happening when I read the arrogant crap posted by the guardians of purity on this site.
I am not in a position to be active outside of offering personal solidarity to my partner. I am busy with that twenty four hours a day so I looked to the libcom site as a way of keeping me engaged at least intellectually with the anarchist movement outside of my house. I was so disappointed.
I dont dare say fuck all on anything that matters to me 'cos I know I will be insulted by those who disagree with me. I have enough middleclass shitheads putting me down right now and so I stay stoom. I find it hard to see any place for a twat like me amongst the young spunks and old wankers who hold forth here. I come back every now and then but it never changes- the spirit of Meltzer lives in the way anarchists treat each other. Not just the black wearing white dreadlocks are lifestyle cliques. There is an element of the intelligentsia that amuse themselves by reading obscure texts and insulting others- anarchism reduced to a bourgeois academic back water. Capitalism is fucking me and mine to bits right now but I just know that my experience does not count here.
Jun 28 2009 01:20
#23
Tart wrote:
you are having problems expressing yourself clearly on a site that is about liberation and you are condemned because you lack clarity of expression- you have not achieved the sufficient liberation from the inarticulate state of an uneducated worker to participate in the clever peoples anarchist forum.
as far as I can tell, the OP was basically "anarchists should unite and not be lifestylist twats." This is pretty much the most obvious thing that anyone can say on this board (unless someone is willing to make the point that the USSR was not really communism).
Added to that, this is the section of the forum where twatiness is tolerated, nay, encouraged.
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I dont dare say fuck all on anything that matters to me 'cos I know I will be insulted by those who disagree with me. I have enough middleclass shitheads putting me down right now and so I stay stoom. I find it hard to see any place for a twat like me amongst the young spunks and old wankers who hold forth here. I come back every now and then but it never changes- the spirit of Meltzer lives in the way anarchists treat each other. Not just the black wearing white dreadlocks are lifestyle cliques. There is an element of the intelligentsia that amuse themselves by reading obscure texts and insulting others- anarchism reduced to a bourgeois academic back water. Capitalism is fucking me and mine to bits right now but I just know that my experience does not count here.
I can sympathize with this feeling; I haven't been here long, but libcom can feel like an old boys club sometimes; most internet boards have their cliques though, and you don't have to read "obscure texts" to be able to participate in a discussion. There are sections of the forum dedicated specifically to work-related issues and regional issues.
Jun 28 2009 09:31
#24
This is the "libcommunity" forum, which is hidden away at the bottom of the board, and hidden from feeds. In this forum things like flaming and insults are tolerated, but they are not allowed on any other section of the site - that is to say on the vast majority of the site. This little forum is for the cliques to mess around in, so that all the rest of the site is not included.
Your participation in any of the discussions would be very much welcomed.
Also, I think that you over estimate how academic our posters are - first impressions can be misleading.
Jun 29 2009 15:46
#25
Thanks for the encouragement. I have started to look every day and say something if moved- I remain over sensitive and slightly paranoid but I can see the friendly side of the community now!
Jun 29 2009 17:40
#26
Jun 29 2009 18:23
#27
not everyone can be like you, weeler:
Jun 29 2009 22:06
#28
Tart wrote:
Thanks for the encouragement.
what steven says is right, on libcommunity it's best just to sit back and enjoy the banter among the half-dozen or so people who know each other.
Jun 30 2009 07:35
#29
Jun 30 2009 16:32
#30
yeah, them
ok. you go do that and report back.