For Ret Marut - the Fred Vermorel controversy
May 26 2007 20:00
Hey
Jolly sounding fella isn't he?? 
I can tell you are mystified as to why this kook thinks lc admin have prime real estate in E1 when they have nothing of the sort! This will be, I should think, because lc admin used to give a mailing address for them using the Anarchist Bookshop as a point of contact, which happens to be in E1 which has been up and coming over the years. Tho i must admit i love the thought of all 10 admin living and working together out of that building indulging in various business activites lol! 
Of course this kook could not, therefore, steal £3k of stuff out of the Bookshop cos it is nothing to do with lc and even if it were this kinda action would not be a legal means of going about things - and it is he who appears to value the law with his "undeclared income" jibe... Yeah like the Bookshop is raking in the millions the profits of which are in an account in the Caymans .. This guy knows nothing but thinks he does.
Amusing to read his email tho lol
Love
LW X
May 27 2007 16:21
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Ret Marut wrote:
If it'd been an adoring intro he might've not made a fuss. A worthless poser 'hip capitalist' arsehole. (Just in case he's reading this) Anyway, the offending text was anonymously posted on several other websites shortly after it was required to be removed from here.
yeah, silly bastard - we even said we'd have an ad for his book or his publishers, which of course the other sites don't have, and he can't try to sue all of them, or threaten to turn up at their door!
Jul 23 2007 09:49
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I totally agree with the characterisation of Fred Vermorel as a poser and a hip capitalist arsehole. Met his wife a few times in 1979 or 1980. Goodness knows what she was up to. I was in my early teens at the time.
I have got five questions...
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1) Might he have been referring not to Freedom/Hacklab, but to LARC?
LARC is also based in London's E1? It kind of sounds to me that that's more likely to be where he meant.
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Needless to say, libcom is a website and has no property, let alone any "real estate," "prime" or otherwise. We don't earn any money, other than regular contributions from the site administrators and some donations from users. The site administrators own no collective property, and in fact none of us own our own property, as we are all renters.
Thank you for this. I take it "renter" means the same as tenant or subtenant, and does not include "leaseholder".
May I ask for clarification...
2) Are any of the admins involved individually as directors, trustees, guarantors, shareholders, or in any role other than that of wage-slave, with any company (whether "private limited", "limited by guarantee", or of some other status)?
If so, in what role, and with what company or companies?
I am only asking, in order to find out. I am certainly not trying to make any innuendo.
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3) Admins - are you all confident that no other admin owns any property?
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4) Do any admins expect to inherit any property, or shares thereof, or proceeds therefrom?
Not that there would be anything wrong with that!
Net worth of parents might be interesting to know, i.e. assets minus liabilities, where liabilities include loans. That said, I wouldn't want to post these details for myself, even though both of my parents were working class, and I didn't inherit any property. Still, no apologies for being nosy.
Again, I am not making any innuendoes, so please don't flame me. People's class background is obviously very important when sizing them up.
Malcolm Maclaren, by the way, comes from a very rich-bastard background. Diamond merchants on one side. His mother and stepfather owned a sweatshop factory too.
His former wife Vivienne Westwood comes from a lower middle-class exploit-your-neighbours-because-you're-ever-so-much-cleverer-than-scum-like-that background. She brags about it too. A real Thatcherite through and through.
Maclaren's diamond connection is interesting, because he obviously has a flair for making money out of things that have little or no use-value, but are quite 'shiny', such as sadomasochistic-themed clothes sold in a shmutter shop called 'Sex', male transvestite pop stars, and later, pop stars who were all image and no chords.
Selling clothes/costumes - or rather, image-based promises based on the purchase thereof, or of related merchandise such as music records - which is what a lot of advertising is about - seem to have been important all the way through his and Westwood's careers.
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5) Can you post a copy of your email to Vermorel's agent?
I'm interested in whether you asked for permission to publish the article, among other things.
You publish his reply to your email, so publishing the email he was replying to would help me understand the context.
There would be a difference between
a) publishing a piece of writing and then complaining when some dickhead tells you to remove it, believing himself to have the 'right' to ensure it only goes to people willing to pay him money for it; and
b) asking someone for permission and then complaining when he refuses.
Once again, I'm only asking - that's all!
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yelt
Jul 23 2007 10:06
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yelt wrote:
I have got five questions...====================
1) Might he have been referring not to Freedom/Hacklab, but to LARC?LARC is also based in London's E1? It kind of sounds to me that that's more likely to be where he meant.
No, because our website's address is listed at Freedom, where we have a PO box.
As for the rest of your questions, sorry, but seeing as your personal profile says stuff like this, I'm not totally sure you're actually interested in constructive discussion on these kind of things:
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I believe the leading lights at libcom.org have their heads up their bums too when they say things like they were really getting somewhere when their "reporting" was featured in the Guardian newspaper.
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I believe the confusion between a) understanding that the rulers rule conspiratorially, e.g. that 911 and 7/7 were both inside jobs (which they were),
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"Music"
No bloody thanks! How passive can someone get? I don't listen to music and I don't watch TV either. I have hated being in rooms where there are warm, living human beings not relating to each other because they are all passively listening to music.
As for your second question though, yes we are all directors of a medium sized but fast-growing media, design, and technology auto-facilitating media node firm based in East London that you may well have heard of...
Jul 23 2007 10:08
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yelt wrote:
Thank you for this. I take it "renter" means the same as tenant or subtenant, and does not include "leaseholder".
Yeah tenant. The first time I read it I thought it said rentier 
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2) Are any of the admins involved individually as directors, trustees, guarantors, shareholders, or in any role other than that of wage-slave, with any company (whether "private limited", "limited by guarantee", or of some other status)?
No, although I was registered self-employed for a while, even though I was essentially employed by one place, but didn't get any national insurance, holiday or sick pay.
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3) Admins - are you all confident that no other admin owns any property?
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I know I don't, unless you include CD collections and stuff.
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4) Do any admins expect to inherit any property, or shares thereof, or proceeds therefrom?
Probably, I can't even speak for myself though, let alone anyone else.
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Net worth of parents might be interesting to know, i.e. assets minus liabilities, where liabilities include loans.
Financially not a lot. As humans they're quite nice though.
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5) Can you post a copy of your email to Vermorel's agent?I'm interested in whether you asked for permission to publish the article, among other things.
You publish his reply to your email, so publishing the email he was replying to would help me understand the context.
Probably, we'd have to look for it.
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a) publishing a piece of writing and then complaining when some dickhead tells you to remove it, believing himself to have the 'right' to ensure it only goes to people willing to pay him money for it; and
That one.
Jul 23 2007 10:16
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4) Do any admins expect to inherit any property, or shares thereof, or proceeds therefrom?
Well, since ~75% of UK homes are owner-occupied (14.62 million owner-occupied homes in England last year, out of 20.8 million households in all, according to the Department for Communities and Local Government), you'd expect a fair few people to inherit a house (or at least a house with most of the mortgage paid off anyway).
unless you think of "working class" as not being the majority of society....
Jul 23 2007 18:43
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John - thanks for your reply, although I think your saying no, he can't have been referring to LARC because your webdomain and box number are at Freedom is based on poor logic, because you are advertised at LARC's front page.
I am not quite sure what exactly you think I am unwilling to discuss. Asking questions surely suggests I listened to what you said and am interested. However, you appear to be unwilling to listen to what I said in the three places you quote from my personal info, regarding publicity of "revolutionary" groups in the bourgeois media, terror attacks, and my views and experience of music. Fine. You also seem to be trying to talk down to me when you say "sorry". Is that a habit or what?
Catch - yes, I would still be interested in reading your original email. I may have asked a (mis)leading question by suggesting it was either a) or b). If you say it was not b) I have no reason to disbelieve you, but I can't quite get my head round the idea it was wholly a) when John says you told Vermorel's agent that you were willing to advertise the book.
Pingtiao - yes, I agree with you. I did say I thought there was nothing wrong with (working class) people inheriting houses. The working class certainly are the majority of society, as you say.
Regards,
yelt
Jul 23 2007 19:17
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On your site you extract nearly 5K words of Fred Vermorel's book on
Vivienne Westwood. We are his literary representatives and he tells us
that you did not contact him for copyright clearance. what compensation do
you propose to use the material? thanks, [fred vermorel's agent], Artellus Limited,
30 Dorset House, Gloucester Place, London NW15AD, England
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John here from libcom.org. Apologies for the delay in getting back to you.We are unaware of how to get into contact with Fred, with his permission we would very much like to continue hosting that extract on our site. We are run by volunteers and so have no funds, but do get large numbers of visits (> 1.5million page views per month) and so are a good place for advertising. We would be happy to including a link (graphic if you like) to purchase the full text from a bookseller - amazon for example.
Would that kind of arrangement be acceptable to you and Fred?
best,
John Stevens,
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Dear John Stevens,I am responding to your email to my agent (below) concerning your unauthorised publication of a 5000 word extract from my book Fashion and Perversity, 1996.
Firstly, I note that libcom.org is registered to Albert Meltzer, a dead buffoon. That no doubt accounts for its funny smell.
Secondly, I have always considered anarchists to be the nitwits of the left and do not wish my work to be associated with your "movement" or to subsidise or lend any credibility to it.
Thirdly, while declaring poverty, you are running several undeclared nice little earners from your prime real estate in E1.
In short, you must immediately remove my material from your site and apologise in writing with a promise not to repeat the offence.
If this has not been done in two weeks I will be obliged to pop down to Whitechapel and remove property from your premises with a resale value of £3000, being the sum I would charge for the reproduction of that text.
Yours,
Fred Vermorel
i.e. it was put up, then we were contacted. fwiw.
Jul 23 2007 19:33
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Thanks catch - that makes it a lot clearer. As I'd only read about it on here, I didn't know the guy's agent contacted you first. What a plonker he is!
Regards,
yelt
PS One thing I learnt from the piece was that the authorities in 1968 gave all university students in France passes in their exams without making them sit them! He doesn't mention though that one of the demands early on in Paris was that law students should be kicked out of halls of residence and the (heavily subsidised) accommodation should be let to poorer students instead. I kind of like that fact because it illustrates the divisions among students (in the run-up to May), rather than just suggesting that 'the students' were all x, y, or z.
Jul 23 2007 20:05
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One other thing, John... You say:
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As for your second question though, yes we are all directors of a medium sized but fast-growing media, design, and technology auto-facilitating media node firm based in East London that you may well have heard of...
I'd appreciate it if you could relate to me without using sarcasm at this stage. If that requires a lot of effort, please make it. I do not know what you are alluding to here, and I do not even know whether you are meaning to refer to a real firm. I live a long distance away from East London and I haven't been there for maybe 15 years. It's no good saying I "may well have heard of " some company in East London. Is this an in-joke or what? Please could you say clearly what you mean.
I noticed that your concluding comment regarding the personal position of admins was very carefully phrased, so for clarification purposes I asked:
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2) Are any of the admins involved individually as directors, trustees, guarantors, shareholders, or in any role other than that of wage-slave, with any company (whether "private limited", "limited by guarantee", or of some other status)?
I'd remind you that you were the one who said that "The site administrators own no collective property, and in fact none of us own our own property, as we are all renters."
It's as if you aren't used to making statements that get responded to in ways you don't want. It's weird, at best, for you to suggest I'm not into "constructive" discussion, when it was you who responded to my question with sarcasm. I did not employ sarcasm and I wasn't even rude! Your response makes me think of the way school-teachers talk to their prisoners, and school-teachers certainly are not working class any more than cops are.
Maybe a proper answer to the question in your case is "speaking for myself the answer is no, and I believe it's also no for all of my colleagues". Maybe it isn't. I don't know. That's why I asked.
If you're interested, my own answer to the question, re. myself, is "no".
I have also been thinking about your take on the three bits you quote from what I posted as "personal info". Are they so "beyond the pale" from your point of view? Why? Any of them more than the others?
Whatever - I give context and background, and some facts and argumentation, and historical references that I consider illustrative and important, and that I'd hazard a guess may be new to some readers. I thought I did rather well actually in describing my take on stuff, within the formal limits of a short blurb! Of course you can take it or leave it. Or maybe you're not interested in the 1960s or the BBC or what's behind terror attacks and the rulers' propaganda thereon, or whether the plan is to introduce mass microchipping within 10 years, or whatever??
Lastly, pingtiao, I've been considering what you posted too. If you just meant that many working class people in the UK inherit houses, yes, that is certainly true. On the other hand, if you were basing yourself on the premise that most of the admins here are working class...well I do doubt that a lot.
Maybe there's a 'leave your caste at the door' policy, but this is the UK we're talking about, right? So how likely is that?
How many of the admins are school-teachers, by the way?
I remember a comrade who was involved in the "revolutionary" scene in 1980s Manchester, in Subversion to be precise. It's a long time ago, but I think he said there were 7 in the group and 4 of them were school-teachers. He said that if the figures were 700 and 400, the non-school-teachers would expel the school-teachers, all 400 of the cunts. But unfortunately since the actual numbers were so small, objective conditions were such they they had to put up with them!
Regards,
yelt
Jul 23 2007 20:14
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How many of the admins are school-teachers, by the way?
None. But I used to teach music peripatetically in a school a couple of years ago, and I did three months volunteer ESOL teaching 18 months ago.
Jul 23 2007 21:00
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How many of the admins are school-teachers, by the way?None. But I used to teach music peripatetically in a school a couple of years ago, and I did three months volunteer ESOL teaching 18 months ago.
Scum!!11!!1
Jul 23 2007 22:09
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John - thanks for your reply, although I think your saying no, he can't have been referring to LARC because your webdomain and box number are at Freedom is based on poor logic, because you are advertised at LARC's front page.
No, he makes reference to Albert Meltzer, the name to which this website is registered, at the address Freedom Press. He clearly did a WHOIS on our site.
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I am not quite sure what exactly you think I am unwilling to discuss.
No, I said "constructively." Because before asking us stuff, you put in your profile "I believe the leading lights at libcom.org have their heads up their bums." So I think you're just looking for an opportunity to have a go. Not that I'm particularly bothered, cos I like anarchists hating me, cos they're mostly nobs.
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Asking questions surely suggests I listened to what you said and am interested. However, you appear to be unwilling to listen to what I said in the three places you quote from my personal info, regarding publicity of "revolutionary" groups in the bourgeois media, terror attacks, and my views and experience of music. Fine. You also seem to be trying to talk down to me when you say "sorry". Is that a habit or what?
Hmm possible yeah.
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One other thing, John... You say:Quote:
As for your second question though, yes we are all directors of a medium sized but fast-growing media, design, and technology auto-facilitating media node firm based in East London that you may well have heard of...I'd appreciate it if you could relate to me without using sarcasm at this stage. If that requires a lot of effort, please make it.
Hmm well we'll see.
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I do not know what you are alluding to here, and I do not even know whether you are meaning to refer to a real firm. I live a long distance away from East London and I haven't been there for maybe 15 years. It's no good saying I "may well have heard of " some company in East London. Is this an in-joke or what? Please could you say clearly what you mean.I noticed that your concluding comment regarding the personal position of admins was very carefully phrased, so for clarification purposes I asked:
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2) Are any of the admins involved individually as directors, trustees, guarantors, shareholders, or in any role other than that of wage-slave, with any company (whether "private limited", "limited by guarantee", or of some other status)?I'd remind you that you were the one who said that "The site administrators own no collective property, and in fact none of us own our own property, as we are all renters."
Hmmm so which do you think is right? What I said on an article on our site, or what I said in a sarcastic comment to someone with a chip on their shoulder?
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Your response makes me think of the way school-teachers talk to their prisoners
This is pretty hilarious. "their prisoners"?
My girlfriend's teaching some inner city kids how to make and edit films at the moment, does that mean she's like a nazi concentration camp guard then?
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and school-teachers certainly are not working class any more than cops are.
Yes I know. Once in school I got put in detention for writing on the desks, I know what fascism is, I have stared it in the face. And I've met knightrose and saw it in his face too.
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Maybe a proper answer to the question in your case is "speaking for myself the answer is no, and I believe it's also no for all of my colleagues". Maybe it isn't. I don't know. That's why I asked.
No, I already answered the question in the Vermorel article.
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If you're interested, my own answer to the question, re. myself, is "no".
Really? Are you sure you're not this guy?
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I have also been thinking about your take on the three bits you quote from what I posted as "personal info". Are they so "beyond the pale" from your point of view? Why? Any of them more than the others?
You just sound like a charicature of an angry anarchist who's uncritically read too much situationist balls. You don't listen to music because you think it stops you from relating to people, I mean jesus christ. Talk about ways of making your life crap. Music is about the greatest thing that exists except communism. I think in a communist society there'll be lots more music, because loads of people will have the time to create it, get it for free, listen to it, etc.
And you think that 9-11 and 7-7 were inside jobs. And you mention larry o-hara in your own profile.
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whether the plan is to introduce mass microchipping within 10 years
Microchipping of what?
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Lastly, pingtiao, I've been considering what you posted too. If you just meant that many working class people in the UK inherit houses, yes, that is certainly true. On the other hand, if you were basing yourself on the premise that most of the admins here are working class...well I do doubt that a lot.
Why don't you tell us what class we are then?
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How many of the admins are school-teachers, by the way?
I teach. Ironically I actually teach in a prison, how funny is that?
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I remember a comrade who was involved in the "revolutionary" scene in 1980s Manchester
Your use of inverted commas is great. I particularly like the way you referred to our "reporting" of the CPE struggle in inverted commas.
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in Subversion to be precise. It's a long time ago, but I think he said there were 7 in the group and 4 of them were school-teachers. He said that if the figures were 700 and 400, the non-school-teachers would expel the school-teachers, all 400 of the cunts. But unfortunately since the actual numbers were so small, objective conditions were such they they had to put up with them!
He sounds like a cool guy!
Jul 23 2007 22:50
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You didn't answer the question, and by continuing to talk down to me (your 'hmms' in particular make you look a fool), you make me unwilling to continue feeding you for much longer.
If you type some in-crowd crap about some company in the East End of that boring city called London, and don't say what you mean, when you've been asked in a perfectly civil way, you're an ill-mannered anti-communication dickhead.
That you're stuck in a rut is evident from the fact that you keep calling me an anarchist. Haven't you even bothered reading the piece I wrote that wound you up so? I'm no fucking anarchist! Nor am I a situationist, but I can tell you're grabbing at ideological straws. I didn't get my ideas from any masters.
You say "Music is about the greatest thing that exists except communism". Idiot! Beyond discussion, is it? Beyond any possible historical contextualisation, is it? Thought-out opposing views are beyond the pale, then, deserving only of the great John's contempt? And you call yourself a revolutionary?
You didn't learn anything from what I said about music then? You simply knew it was all a load of shit, yes?
(If anyone is reading this, and is interested, just click the link to my personal info page here at libcom.org)
You ask "Microchipping of what?" Microchipping of human beings. Pets are already microchipped en masse, by law in some countries. Don't you try to keep abreast of the present epoch and its trends and possibilities?
(No, wait a minute, you knew I meant human beings, but when you asked "microchipping of what?" you were trying to wind me up, right? And I fell into your cunningly laid trap, right? Don't you even know how to fucking talk to people other than yourself?)
I did notice a lot of boring old shit here, today almost wholly useless, about struggles in the distant past.
And how many of the admins are school-teachers? Why don't you answer?
Why should I tell the admins what class they are? I don't even know any of them. I do know that any who are school-teachers are enemies of the working class though, through and fucking through. I guess that most of them aren't working class. Maybe it's just 40% who aren't. I don't know. That's why I asked. Don't you ever ask so as to find out stuff?
I don't understand what you said about knightrose and seeing fascism in his face. Will you explain it to me? I'm so stupid, you know. I've only just got here, so I must be. I'm no "veteran of total revolutionary criticism" like you so admirably are. (Sarcasm, right? And why shouldn't I use it when you used it against me, I politely asked you not to, and you did it again? Ain't my fault that you're not much good at it).
Who is "knightrose"? A friend of yours? An enemy? A rival? Your auntie? An ally? Someone on the telly? Do you really think you've seen fascism up close? Or are you just thinking you're being clever and superior by keeping rapidly-getting-bored me wondering whether or not you're trying to "joke"? Wow, sophisticated, huh? I bet you know all sorts of fuckwit verbal tricks (well, two or three anyway), that you play on the prisoners you "teach". If you weren't "joking" when you said "I teach", that is. But you probably weren't - I do believe that you sound very much like a "teacher". If not filthing in a school now (I won't say "working"), I bet you have done in the past without being sorry for it now.
Not that I expect proper answers to any of the above. You don't want me to know what you mean, do you?
I doubt you've advanced your understanding of the world around you one jot in the last 20 years. That's what politics does to many people.
Do you think your posting an old picture of Richard Branson, from before the time he was appointed to the Business Council for Britain (look it up if you want to keep up to date - try the Downing Street website) is funny? You know what they say about people who laugh at their own jokes. Maybe you should stop trying to be funny. That might help you stop being a stupid cunt.
I obviously touched on an awkward subject, so you got nasty. Oh yes, and inexpertly role-coppily sarcastic. You haven't whacked me or shown me up as an idiot - you've just shown yourself up as a cocky ostrich with the lower middle-class manners (and very probably the occupation-steeped mentality, and the anti-working class "criminal record") of a school-teacher.
Here we go again:
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I'd remind you that you were the one who said that "The site administrators own no collective property, and in fact none of us own our own property, as we are all renters."
you:
Hmmm so which do you think is right? What I said on an article on our site, or what I said in a sarcastic comment to someone with a chip on their shoulder?
What a fucking stupid question. Actually I think the first one is true. But it was very carefully phrased. Suspiciously so. Here's my request for clarification again, one of the questions you wouldn't answer:
2) Are any of the admins involved individually as directors, trustees, guarantors, shareholders, or in any role other than that of wage-slave, with any company (whether "private limited", "limited by guarantee", or of some other status)?
If so, in what role, and with what company or companies?
Try to answer without sarcasm if you can, which you probably can't.
It may require turning off the music.
yelt
Jul 23 2007 23:09
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You didn't answer the question, and by continuing to talk down to me (your 'hmms' in particular make you look a fool), you make me unwilling to continue feeding you for much longer.
Awww 
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that boring city called London
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, and don't say what you mean, when you've been asked in a perfectly civil way, you're an ill-mannered anti-communication dickhead.
Like the others have said, of course we're not bloody company directors. The idea that any of us might be is absolutely ridiculous. The East London firm thing was vaguely a Nathan Barley joke, but you're too wadical to watch televisions, so you probably wouldn't get it. Though you do watch shit films, which seems hypocritical, and quite masochistic.
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That you're stuck in a rut is evident from the fact that you keep calling me an anarchist. Haven't you even bothered reading the piece I wrote that wound you up so? I'm no fucking anarchist! Nor am I a situationist, but I can tell you're grabbing at ideological straws. I didn't get my ideas from any masters.
You sure sound like an anarchist. You probably smell like one too 
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You say "Music is about the greatest thing that exists except communism". Idiot!
Damn you got me there.
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Beyond discussion, is it? Beyond any possible historical contextualisation, is it? Thought-out opposing views are beyond the pale, then, deserving only of the great John's contempt? And you call yourself a revolutionary?
Not really no.
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You ask "Microchipping of what?" Microchipping of human beings.
They've got you fooled. Have you not got a microchip scar on your left arm already? BCG SchmeeCG.
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Pets are already microchipped en masse, by law in some countries.
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And how many of the admins are school-teachers? Why don't you answer?
I dunno I'm not a maths teacher.
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Why should I tell the admins what class they are? I don't even know any of them. I do know that any who are school-teachers are enemies of the working class though, through and fucking through. I guess that most of them aren't working class. Maybe it's just 40% who aren't. I don't know. That's why I asked. Don't you ever ask so as to find out stuff?
I don't generally ask totally irrelevant questions and then ignore people who actually do answer me to instead banter with some sarcy twat, no.
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I don't understand what you said about knightrose and seeing fascism in his face. Will you explain it to me?
Knightrose is a poster here, and a teacher, and so obviously a fascist-nazi. He keeps children prisoner every single day, and brainwashes their brains with bourgeois ideology. Their parents don't even, or society, just him.
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I'm so stupid, you know. I've only just got here. I'm no "veteran of total revolutionary criticism" like you so admirably are. (Sarcasm, right? And why shouldn't I use it when you used it against me, I politely asked you not to, and you did it again?)
Again good use of inverted commas.
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I bet you know all sorts of fuckwit verbal tricks (well, two or three anyway), that you play on the prisoners you "teach".
Yeah I make them laugh at my jokes, and if they don't I have them beaten.
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If you weren't "joking" when you said "I teach", that is. But you probably weren't - I do believe that you sound very much like a "teacher". If not filthing in a school now (I won't say "working"), I bet you have done in the past without being sorry for it now.
Yup, and I'd do it again!!1!
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Not that I expect proper answers to any of the above. You don't want me to know what you mean, do you?
Meh, I'm bored.
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I doubt you've advanced your understanding of the world around you one jot in the last 20 years. That's what politics does to many people.
I think I probably have in the last 20...
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Do you think your posting an old picture of Richard Branson, from before the time he was appointed to the Business Council for Britain (look it up if you want to keep up to date) is funny?
Well I think he looks funny, like a gerbil. So yeah.
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You know what they say about people who laugh at their own jokes.
No
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Maybe you should stop trying to be funny. That might help you stop being a stupid cunt.
Now that is quite funny.
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2) Are any of the admins involved individually as directors, trustees, guarantors, shareholders, or in any role other than that of wage-slave, with any company (whether "private limited", "limited by guarantee", or of some other status)?If so, in what role, and with what company or companies?
I really want to say this one www.trashbat.co.ck
But the answer is quite obviously a simple no.
Jul 23 2007 23:23
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OK thanks for stating that you are not involved with any company in any of the ways mentioned and expressing your opinion that "obviously" none of your fellow admins are.
Which leaves the other questions. Which weren't meant to be answered just by yourself, by the way, or even canonically by yourself.
And because you obviously think you so cleverly evaded the question as to how many of the admins are school-teachers, saying you're not a maths teacher, well how many of the admins do you know to be now, or to have been, school teachers?
Again, this isn't pitched just for you. Contributions from other admins saying whether or not they're school-teachers or ever have been, would be welcome. Publicly or "privately".
If you don't like inverted commas, I wonder what alternative you use to underline that stuff in this society ain't always what it's presented as? Or is that too "situationist" an idea in the first place?
Your addiction to sarcasm is pathetic. Even when I show you up for it, you can't stop. (And you aren't even very good at it). Haven't you ever considered its social role and the fact that some critical people are actually wise to that?
Your reference to brainwashing by parents and "society" (what's that?), in an attempt to let school-teachers and the school system off the hook, is vintage...school-teacher shit.
yelt
Jul 23 2007 23:29
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yelt wrote:
Again, this isn't pitched just for you. Contributions from other admins saying whether or not they're school-teachers or ever have been, would be welcome. Publicly or "privately".
Yes the latter might be best, because it's a big secret, and we have been looking for some random dude off the internet to confide in.
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Your addiction to sarcasm is pathetic. Even when I show you up for it, you can't stop.(And you aren't even very good at it). Haven't you ever considered its social role and the fact that some critical people are actually wise to that?
No, I haven't, ever. Not even once.
Zing!
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Your reference to brainwashing by parents and "society" (what's that?)
That was a test - there is, of course, no such thing
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, in an attempt to let school-teachers and the school system off the hook, is vintage...school-teacher shit.
Actually I'm glad you said that, because in googling for a "vintage school teacher" picture I found this awesome site, which is totally hilarious. And I really should be going to bed. I have the next generation or labour to shape in the morning: http://www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com
Well "labour" to break rocks and stuff anyway.
Jul 23 2007 23:33
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* just to clarify, the first pic in that post wasn't from hotchickswithdouchebags.com. I believe it was from douchebagswithdouchebags.com
Jul 23 2007 23:33
#19
Who have I "ignored" who has answered me?
And are you calling yourself a "sarcy twat" or me?
Bit unfair if it's me, because, as I said, you started the sarcasm and kept it up when I politely asked you to desist. That I'm more skilled with it than you are is not something I am proud of.
If it's you, well yes, you are a sarky twat (or more accurately a proud cop and a cunt with a penchant for verbal putdown sneers against those who are too awake and criticise too much), but how come that's something you're comfortable with?
You'll be calling me "facetious" next, although I'm not and, guess what, you have been very determinedly so, and doubtless will be again if you answer this.
Me, I'm actually trying to focus on important issues.
yelt
Jul 23 2007 23:40
#20
yelt wrote:
Who have I "ignored" who has answered me?
catch and pingtiao both did.
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And are you calling yourself a "sarcy twat" or me?
me
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That I'm more skilled with it than you are is not something I am proud of.
Yet you seem to be. But that's good for you, cos girls like guys with skills.
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If it's you, well yes, you are a sarky twat (or more accurately a proud cop
How did you know I was a cop? Alright it was a few years ago - do I know you?
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and a cunt with a penchant for verbal putdown sneers against those who are too awake and criticise too much)
Yes I like the slumbering, passive masses the most. Like sheep aren't they? On they hind legs, with clothes instead of wool.
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You'll be calling me "facetious" next, although I'm not
I could probably think of some things to call you that you actually are.
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Me, I'm actually trying to focus on important issues.
Yes so I can tell from your posts here so far. Watch out bourgeoisie!
Jul 23 2007 23:41
#21
"Some random dude off the internet to confide in". You don't understand how bosses get undermined, do you?
You remind me of the Cambridge Apostles and their stuff about how their scene is "real" and the rest of the world is "phenomenal".
And you tried to dodge the point by your ref to Thatcher's "no such thing as society". Saying "society" brainwashes people is a fucking cop-out. You might as well say "society" exploits people, or "society" rules people, or "society" locks people up or forces them to produce surplus value.
Nope, John, it's people that brainwash, exploit, and rule people. It's people that lock people up and force them to produce surplus value.
Do you get it? There is such a thing as society.
yelt
Jul 23 2007 23:48
#22
yelt wrote:
"Some random dude off the internet to confide in". You don't understand how bosses get undermined, do you?
Er by you?
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You remind me of the Cambridge Apostles
Who? 
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Nope, John, it's people that brainwash, exploit, and rule people. It's people that lock people up and force them to produce surplus value.
Jul 23 2007 23:49
#23
Oh for goodness sake - I didn't ignore catch and pingtiao. I answered them both!
me: That I'm more skilled with it [sarcasm] than you are is not something I am proud of.
you: Yet you seem to be. But that's good for you, cos girls like guys with skills
At last you've made a joke that I find funny!!
In your next post, why not cold-turkey from sarcasm for a while? I won't mock, I promise. Give it a try?
yelt
Jul 23 2007 23:56
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I said enough about the Cambridge Apostles to give you a handle.
I thought for a moment you might make an effort to reply sensibly to what I said in response to your poorly thought-out attempt to minimise the damage done by school-teachers by referring to how "society" brainwashes people.
But no, you just look up some idiot image and post that instead.
Why not give your brain some exercise instead?
Like I said, it's people that do things to people. "Society" doesn't "do" anything to anybody. Society is the relations between people.
And no, this is not idle cant. We could even have the beginnings of a discussion if you wanted.
I don't believe that you think I'm an idiot or a person who disrupts just for the sake of it. You're faking when you make as if you do.
yelt
Jul 24 2007 02:58
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yelt wrote:
Like I said, it's people that do things to people. "Society" doesn't "do" anything to anybody. Society is the relations between people.
Good God, you're dim.
Jul 24 2007 07:19
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or more accurately a proud cop and a cunt with a penchant for verbal putdown sneers against those who are too awake and criticise too much
If you already know John. this well why do you keep asking him questions?
This is a staged conversation so John. can put up that video of him torturing Iraqi prisoners again.
Please don't post it, it's horrific the way he disses their clothes, it would have been kinder just to kill them.
Jul 24 2007 11:23
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yelt wrote:
Oh for goodness sake - I didn't ignore catch and pingtiao. I answered them both!
You kept asking me questions that they had both answered already
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I said enough about the Cambridge Apostles to give you a handle.
Well I'd never heard of them, and certainly don't know what any of them are like. Do you hang around with them a lot then, yelt?
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I thought for a moment you might make an effort to reply sensibly to what I said in response to your poorly thought-out attempt to minimise the damage done by school-teachers by referring to how "society" brainwashes people.But no, you just look up some idiot image and post that instead.
Why not give your brain some exercise instead?
Could you recommend some good brain exercises for me? What do you think of those nintendo ds things? If it could get me as smart as nicole kidman it'd be well worth the cash.
Anyway yelt, seeing as teachers are the same as prison guards and cops, presumably you don't send your child or children to school? Because that would be the same as you putting them in prison, no?
Jul 24 2007 11:41
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I'm considering being a teacher one day....
Man I hope he asks what Zobag does, he'll love that shit.
Jul 24 2007 11:59
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Unnamed libcom admin.
Jul 24 2007 13:36
#30
This is such an excellent thread. I especially liked this bit, that no one seemed to pick up on
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But you probably weren't - I do believe that you sound very much like a "teacher". If not filthing in a school now (I won't say "working"), I bet you have done in the past without being sorry for it now.
Hi,
thanks LW, but I never actually communicated with him - it was the admins, and they told me about it - it all happened months ago. So I'm not mystified. But yeh, the guy is a complete tosser, surprise surprise. I think what pissed him off was my intro, where I said the bit of his book we reproduced (about May 68) was the only good bit;
If it'd been an adoring intro he might've not made a fuss. A worthless poser 'hip capitalist' arsehole. (Just in case he's reading this
) Anyway, the offending text was anonymously posted on several other websites shortly after it was required to be removed from here.