Richard Dawkins & God Delusion

i'm assuming it's just an updated run through of enlightenment rationalism? (bit sad we're still having this debate several centuries on, but there you go)

Who is he?

I was reading just this morning how groups like "Truth in Science" are trying to get creationism on the UK school curriculum.

created the universe in 7 days, rained plagues on egypt, cast out adam and eve from paradise, his son was fitted up by the roman state, you know the one

fitted up by the jews actually!

i self-censored

Ugh after watching that tv program of his a while back i can only hope he will continue to fade into obscurity and take his particularly annoying brand of liberal finger pointing with him.

I just got the book, not had time to read it. I'm guessing it carries on from his 2 part TV series in January. I understand people criticisms that he comes across as peddling a form of bourgeois rationalism, but in the face of some of the arguments he comes up against you can't help but think "jesus the people are ignorant poisonous cunts".

I could interview him for research

Steve Jones also just did another talk this week, available on guardian.co.uk/science called "Why intelligent design is stupid", his other talk "why evolution is right and creationism is wrong" is also on the Royal Society's webpage in the video section.

I also just order the "Truth in Science" information pack as part of my research is how there is an active campaign to have this taught in science classrooms in the UK. Over here David Simpson of the DUP has approached the CCEA (NI exam board) to have this included in the science curriculum, citing a violation of human rights of children from evangelical families. Becasue of course, if you aren't teaching religion, you are against it . Jesus religion is taught in every school in NI, just not as science!!!

If youse wanna see something funny stuff about the whole thing watch Penn + Teller's show "Bullshit!". Search yahoo video or google video for "penn teller creationism" and you'll find the whole episode, some fun right there.

all the intelligent design lot who reckon creationism is science are doing some pretty sinful stuff, iirc the bible says 'thou shalt not seek to test thy god' or something like that (always a handy clause for a load of irrationalist bs i thought)

But IDists don't actually do any positive science anyway so I suppose they're not really testing the "big man".
Anyway they'd argue that they never doubted god's existence anyway, and are merely "tackling" atheistic materialism.

i mean, agnosticism is bollocks, but it is technically correct, since the non-falsifiable thesis that, say god created the big bang, is inherently unknowable, outside of the world of libcom truths of course (Che/doplhin, i'm looking in your direction)

his books just went Amazon #1 and he's been on Newsnight recently. You make it sounds like he's already sliding into obscurity haha!

true, but i'd be tempted to believe in hell if i knew they were heading there

there was an excellent stat i read somewhere that 64% of americans believe in heaven and 45% believe in hell (or something like that). made me laugh

yeah agnosticism is such a pile of shit, i mean atleast most theists have the decency to accept it requires a leap of faith to believe.

The worst is agnostics who think they are more nuanced and sophiscated than atheists cos "you can't prove either way", yes cause that's how we navigate the world isn't it.

Cop: "We know you got the child in there! Open the door!"
Paedo: "There isn't a kid in there, it's a dragon and if I open that door it will roast your balls off"

Agnostic Cop: "Hmmm well I can't prove there isn't a dragon in there so probably best if I leave it."

yeah but for all intents and purposes if you're a materialist you're an atheist
*see the celestial teapot argument*

hahahahahaha!
jesus we should turn that into a sketch for our comedy show (the one me and Gareth are doing)

Rod Liddle wrote some balls-awful criticism of this book in the Times mag the other day, saying that Dawkins started off by saying "you can't prove the non-existence of god", and then claims that since dawkins admits he's not being scientific the whole rest of the book is conjecture. Prick!

rod liddle is such a fucking retard, i hope Dawkins publically humiliates him for that. i'm convinced that being an ignorant prick is mandatory for newspaper columnists.

it's a story about a nonce, an agnostic cop and a possible dragon.

i've got images turned off so i was 'ing at the words - i've no idea if revol's posting child porn but don't let that stop you venting your almost distubingly strong hate for paedos

no jack, i find your propensity to bring up your hate for paedos at every opportunity strangely reminiscent of the constant homophobia amongst the forwards in the school rugby team

the sexuality of the joke is not relevant, bigot

The rise of political religion you say? Now i'm assuming you don't mean in the UK, because if so the idea that political religion over here is going to to 'rise' is more than a little bit over the top. Richard D\wkins is just a liberal guardian reading (and usually writing) english academic pointing a finger at the US, and saying ''americans are stupid because they're so religious'' etc etc.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,919618,00.html
Take this article for example, its just pointless gobshite.

I mean what exactly seperates him from the average whining old labourite except for a bit of religious skepticism and a small helping of badly used genetics. His crackpot liberal club 'the brights' is pretty much just a less powerful and athiest version of the fabians.

Anyway i don't know about you but i regard the cabalistic mumbo jumbo of secular liberalism as being more of a political religion than any backward looking medeival church. Personally i think that in principle we should treat religious debates in exactly the same way we treat elections, ie ignore them. Treating secular liberals and leftists as the 'lesser of the two evils' is just encouraging the careerist bastards.

go on, if only to proove to carlosgonzalez that arbitrary state power is always corrupt, even when it's masquerading as social democratic

Actually city academies here being privately sponsored means that creationism is being taught in some british state schools now, as an equally valid theory to evolution.

how agnostic