A Scanner Darkly
The new movies gonna be released tomorrow (uk). All the reviews i've read so far are bigging it up, it look's funky as well.
I've never read ASD, any comparisons of other novels by PKD, for a lazy bugger would be good.
Don't mention valis unless you want a pm from horselover fat.
ASD has keanu Reeves in it. This is not usually a good sign.
ASD has keanu Reeves in it. This is not usually a good sign.
But maybe...he's mute.
The weird animation technique thing should cover up his 'acting', too. 8)
It certainly fucked up my head, basically there's a plot detail, which I won't disclose so I don't spoil the film, which I thought I was living through when I got admitted to hospital the first time. But most of his books are head fucks, especially the Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch and the Divine Invasion. On the evidence of Phillip I'd say schizophrenics shouldn't write books cause they turn other people into schizophrenics, or they should have a health warning.
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You beat me to it!! I was gonna start a thread on this!! I can't wait!!! I mean scifi, dystopia, Keanu...this is soooo up my street!!! Unfortunately, I have a proper social life planned this weekend which involves interacting with other humans in a worryingly convivial manner, so doubt if I will get to see it this w/e, dammit!!!

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PS How cool is the tagline???? Still as I am so excited I must prepare for disappointment - low expectations are normally a better idea...
ASD has keanu Reeves in it.
But they do have him playing yet another character who has no discernable personality for plot reasons. Writers must shit their pants when they hear 'we got Keanu'. There's only so many ways you can make excuses for having a block of wood as a leading man.
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The weird animation technique thing should cover up his 'acting', too. 8)
Yeah, it looks like somebody just fucked around with filters over parts of it, in the motion picture equivilent of Photoshop.
or they should have a health warning.
That's the best part about PKD, is trying to keep track of where he's going, if anywhere/somewhere.
Best book title ever. Flow my tears, the policeman said.
If that doesn't get you interested in a book...
Alex Jones makes a cameo appearance in the film. The director, Richard Linklater, has been interviewed by Jones regarding how he associates real life with the movie, and how he was inspired by some of Jones' core ideologies.
and it was sounding good too ... 
Bodach gun bhrigh wrote:
or they should have a health warning.That's the best part about PKD, is trying to keep track of where he's going, if anywhere/somewhere.
the bit I'm worried about is where I'll end up if I follow him.
BB wrote:
Bodach gun bhrigh wrote:
or they should have a health warning.That's the best part about PKD, is trying to keep track of where he's going, if anywhere/somewhere.
the bit I'm worried about is where I'll end up if I follow him.
Don't try to write above average pulp novels whilst consuming large amounts of psychedelic drugs.
Saw it last night and it's crap.
The weird animation thing is completely pointless and just serves to make everyone act like a cartoon character. It loses all of Dick's sympathy for his characters and all the tragedy from the tragi-comic bits so you just get a succession of funny junky stories until the film stops. You don't believe for one second that Arctor's become two people.
It cops out all the time as well. As soon as the plot gets difficult you just get a big chunk of voiceover reading bits of the book out loud.
Don't mention valis unless you want a pm from horselover fat.
Would that be bad?

Bodach gun bhrigh wrote:
BB wrote:
Bodach gun bhrigh wrote:
or they should have a health warning.That's the best part about PKD, is trying to keep track of where he's going, if anywhere/somewhere.
the bit I'm worried about is where I'll end up if I follow him.
Don't try to write above average pulp novels whilst consuming large amounts of psychedelic drugs.
I made no sense. DOH! Context man, context!!!
Maybe it;s me reading too much Zizek, but the only thing I could take from it was that they were all caught in the game, both the cops, and the junkies, and that any attempt to try and grasp it from an objective outside position was doomed to paranoid failure. Hence when they were on the road trip and they got paranoid about the house, everytime they attempted to assert something they further underminded it by stepping into the gaps this opened up and assuming another "rational" position.
The only way they were able to even reach the potential for understanding was by having Reeves character actually get addicted, to be completely lost to reality, and through this he was permitted closest to the "truth", but a truth that is only a potential, the chance of "a spark of recognition", hence he glimpses the blue flowers for a few seconds whilst on the ground.
Hmmm the truth of a situation being discernable to the most lost and destitute, those with nothing, a truth that can not be undercovered in the spehere of circulation only in the "hidden abode of production". New Path programmes funded from the very production of that which it seeks to wipe out. Interesting.
"Everything you wanted to know about Marx but where afraid to ask a drugged up Sci Fi author" if that cunt Zizek doesn't do it first, it's my fucking meal ticket.
The only way they were able to even reach the potential for understanding was by having Reeves character actually get addicted, to be completely lost to reality, and through this he was permitted closest to the "truth", but a truth that is only a potential, the chance of "a spark of recognition", hence he glimpses the blue flowers for a few seconds whilst on the ground.Hmmm the truth of a situation being discernable to the most lost and destitute
Yeah I guess that sits well with the idea of being unable to articulate the horror of the real. When reeves character is confronted with the actuality of the situation, which necessitates becoming an addict who loses touch with all sense of ‘reality’, it is only in a guise of pure experience, where there is no possibility of reflection – he cannot symbolise his experience, he cannot contextualise it, give it meaning, and communicate it. The situation, the real, is only ‘discernable’ as pure experience, it evades comprehension.
I didn’t think it was that good a film though (3/5).
I think the book's sorta psychologically speaking one of the best descriptions of really deep drug addiction I've come across, as compared with various shit which sorta glamorises it or lightens it up, ASD sorta takes it the complete opposite direction into a sort of inescapable nightmare. Haven't read it through since I was 15 though. Need to do that again at some point.
Really looking forward to checking out the film.
I enjoyed it, and thought it was as good a film adaptation as your likely to get of the book. Thought the animation worked well because at the beginning you didn't like watching it but by the end it had almost become normal, which worked well with the content of the film. I still suspect a less star spangled choice of actors would have worked better but then realistically they had to sell the film to the studios and promoters, even though in audience terms it was probably utterly unneccesary, especially since most of phillip k dicks work is based on a constant feeling of mind crushing anonymity
The author didn't know himself whether objective reality existed, especially since he spent a large amount fo time beleiving in various paranouid fantasies or thinking he was in the man in the high castle universe or some such drug fuelled mania. So attempting to analyse his thoughts on reality is a bit pointless, since they veered wildly from the absolute and complete rejection of any form of perspective, all the way to the near opposite end of the spectrum where he also stated 'reality is what, when i stop beleiving in anything else, refuses to go away'. And of course, he wouldn't want to be taken too seriously, even though he wrote excellent books and hgave some pretty nifty quotes.
I enjoyed it, and thought it was as good a film adaptation as your likely to get of the book. Thought the animation worked well because at the beginning you didn't like watching it but by the end it had almost become normal, which worked well with the content of the film. I still suspect a less star spangled choice of actors would have worked better but then realistically they had to sell the film to the studios and promoters, even though in audience terms it was probably utterly unneccesary, especially since most of phillip k dicks work is based on a constant feeling of mind crushing anonymityThe author didn't know himself whether objective reality existed, especially since he spent a large amount fo time beleiving in various paranouid fantasies or thinking he was in the man in the high castle universe or some such drug fuelled mania. So attempting to analyse his thoughts on reality is a bit pointless, since they veered wildly from the absolute and complete rejection of any form of perspective, all the way to the near opposite end of the spectrum where he also stated 'reality is what, when i stop beleiving in anything else, refuses to go away'. And of course, he wouldn't want to be taken too seriously, even though he wrote excellent books and hgave some pretty nifty quotes.
Ah my old Modernism friend, it's not a mattter of what Philip K Dicks thought, it's a matter of what readings his writings offer up.
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revol68 wrote:
The only way they were able to even reach the potential for understanding was by having Reeves character actually get addicted, to be completely lost to reality, and through this he was permitted closest to the "truth", but a truth that is only a potential, the chance of "a spark of recognition", hence he glimpses the blue flowers for a few seconds whilst on the ground.Hmmm the truth of a situation being discernable to the most lost and destitute
Yeah I guess that sits well with the idea of being unable to articulate the horror of the real. When reeves character is confronted with the actuality of the situation, which necessitates becoming an addict who loses touch with all sense of ‘reality’, it is only in a guise of pure experience, where there is no possibility of reflection – he cannot symbolise his experience, he cannot contextualise it, give it meaning, and communicate it. The situation, the real, is only ‘discernable’ as pure experience, it evades comprehension.
I didn’t think it was that good a film though (3/5).
yeah it wasn't that great a movie, but i still wanna see it again to grasp it better.
The situation, the real, is only ‘discernable’ as pure experience, it evades comprehension.
yeah I can see this, but is it ever possible to have "pure experiance", rather (imagine the hand actions
)is it not that what would we experiance is a feeling of loss, an inability to grasp the "real", or even a temporal loss of ourselves (though never quite, obviously)in a situation. we don't experiance the "sublime" or the "real", rather we experiance their absence, and this loss is only tangiable through it's encoding in the symbolic order.







One of the later, more 'realistic' novels. Doesn't have the sort of off-the-cuff inventiveness and exuberance of something like Do Androids Dream or UBIK, but has an enormous emotional punch. It's basically Dick's tribute to all his friends from the Bay Area killed or fucked up in one way or another by drugs and can be pretty harrowing in parts (from the first twenty minutes of the film which are up on the website, this seems to be significantly toned down. The covered in bugs section of the book is just not funny, but that seems to be how it's pitched in the film). It's probably one of his best and is much more thorough in the head fucking than earlier stuff, but not quite to the level of something like VALIS.