So what's all this about LARC???

London Activist Resouce Centre.

It's a squat that they happen to own.

I think the people banned are the same situ types who 'planted a bomb' at the 1999 (A) Bookfair, tho I could be wrong about that.

Where is this post to an Indymedia websites pretending to be wombles? link please.

I have yet to see any evidence they themselves *pretended* to be wombles.

Where was this used in letter to Guardian? date ref, link please.

The wombles may be 'pissed off with them' but please get your accusations straight, then we can have a debate.

Also I am sure the wombles are gratefull for LARC been opened early for a meeting of theirs at LARC and place warmed up, with fresh milk bought in by *** and ***.

Also I am sure they are gratefull when *** drove lots of Beyond ESF papers from LARC to Ramparts and up to Beyond ESF.

And are these wombles really pissed off with critical debate?

Of course any process of debate and mediation within London Action Resource Centre was bypassed by use of emergancy motion at LARC AGM, which although not on agenda was prepared, horsetraded before AGM hidden from accused.

Also what does 'plant a bomb' mean in one of replies above?

I can confirm that those expelled were involved in running the Library, but it was a collective with others involved and will be interesting to see how things are taken forward with was built up there.

editted by gav - please dont put up peoples names with out their permission

Bunny - 'plant a bomb' reference explained:

At the 2002 Anarchist Bookfair (think it was 02), during the afternoon of the bookfair 3 brown large envelopes with heavy objects inside were dorpped at tables around the bookfair. On the envelopes was scrawled random crap, off the top of my head i remember a Swatstika and the word Jews.

These packages were then removed from the building and left outside by a wall while the cops were called (a crusty jumped on the packages before the cops got there - nothing happened - so the packages were opened, one had a metal bar in it, two others had large bars of chocolate).

Was later revealed that it was the London Pschogeographical Society which did it.

Im not interested in having an arguement about it, all i said is what i came out of that event with.

I dont know who Fabian is and i dont mind who he is either.

The London Psychogeographical Association - the one linked with the Situ. International i thought dissolved ages ago and anyway thats not what im talking about.

London Pschogeographical Society is some pile of shit which makes pictures of Tube maps of london but changes the place names, is responsible for the paki.tv site bomblondon.com and maybe c6.org. Also a bunch of moronic events (strategic energy challening sex at DSEi anyone?).

Im not interested in the ins and outs of whatever is said to have happened either, i just thought i'd clairfy the 'bomb' hoax thing

It was revealed AFAIK through word of mouth (what isnt?) and was never denied by the LPS

Yes, I have seen the LARC statement which is far from clear, and is very dishonest.

There is the issue of the way the decision of the meeting and statement came about, using prior negotiation between people without motion being on the agenda of AGM. A pre arranged ambush. By the LARC incorporated body AGM been flooded as arranged by the PGA cadre, so to bypass any mediation between LARC users and force immediate and permanent exclusion of two people, from LARC and therefore meeting of groups meeting there. How is that respecting a LARC or it's user groups autonomy if they have to submit to the PGA cadres blacklist.

The statement mention those excluded have been 'creating divisions and an atmosphere of mistrust' but when it comes to examples they are very bogus, and when the misrepresentations are discounted it boils down to them being critical of the PGA process, which is no reason to support the exclusion motion.

If you want to point to what in the statement persuaded you that they should be exluded then I am happy to explain why that should not be the case. Of course if there are other issues that lead you to support the exclusion that can be stated publically then please do. You should not be afraid of honest open debate.

Well lets hope they dont cover it with more pictures 'subverted' tube maps

As i said before i dont really care, i was just telling you what i knew about the bomb thing.

I think those websites speak for themselves tbh!

hmmm i know the shah was a cunt and all but its a bit rich you complaining about colonial masters when u helped create an authoritarian islamist state and crushed the workers councils!

i fucking hate u, even if focault didn't think u could be that bad!

Wayne, is that you?

If it is then it's possibly one of the funniest posts ever on enrager...

Just thought that should be saved for comic value.

uve got comrades in Class War????

I mean i thought linking to the INLA was bad enough but linking to a Islamic fundamentalist cleric whose been dead for decades is a bit much!

aye and I thought most of class war had came out in favour of the french states hijab ban?

as for LARC and all the rest of this shit i really couldn't care its all a bunch of activist wank with about as much grounding in the working class as the no.73 bus!

paki.tv supports anti-fascism and anarchists who are of a serious nature. We dont like people who like to rumour monger or control us or insult are backgrounds or islam. Far as i am concerned islam like any religion is controlled by the state to manipulate the mass however this is not the fault of the religion but of individuals who use religion like to control the mass. Western imperialism clearly controls its working-class by promoting so called secular values when they are actually promoting capitalism. However this issue i find is generally ignored by white middle class anarchists because they usually want to stay in their little fantasy world and fufill their sexual desires in Chiapas the home of the Zapatistas

aha dipshit, im fucking fed up with this apologism for relgions, "oh it isn't religion itself, its the bad people who manipulate it". Fuck that shit the basis of religion was the maintainence of ignorance and the justification of hiearchies. To say religion is just manipulated by states is kinda like saying that racism is only bad cos of how capitalism has abused it. They have grown up together and reinforce each other.

and yes much of secualr values are riven with capitalist values but i hardly think islamic , christian or jewish values don't also reinforce capitalism and the state.

anyway if u wish to present every white working class person who opposes religion or more specifically for u, Islam, as some sort of middle class cultural imperialist then u are a fuckwit. Islam may be caricatured and scapegoated by the media but anyone can see that islam contains justifications for homophobia, sexism, and hierarchies within its own logic, just like christianity and judaism.

Islam is a fucking old joke just like all the other fucking religions, its the 21st fucking century and arseholes still hold valu in some fucking books written decades ago to justify various ruling elites!

again islam was never about hierarchies it like any religion was used by the ruling-class to create hierachies. Again alot of white middle class anarchists get a big booster when they slander religion. Well lets start slandering your ideals firstly how can anarchism work in the middle east. Well it cant because your methods of direct action can only work in the west if u had prague, seatlle, hackney, and chiapas happening in countries like Saudi Arabia believe u me u would have a blood bath. However the problem with the arab regimes is that they are pro-capitalist and lovers of George Bush which means that they are more then willing to kill the masses of the middle east inorder to promote global capital. islamic fascists not fundmentalists (to me means people that like to practice the fundamentals of islam and not strap bombs to their pants and jump into a crowd of 2o people in the name of Allah) clearly do no agree with this view cause they feel that it is the fault of the population for not praying five times a day which justifies them being victims of us imperialism. I clearly oppose the fanatics as i do the colonialists they are both the same breed. However i will not condemn peoples religous beliefs as that is their right to practice their religion as long as it does not harm individuals who clearly do not wish to follow that pattern of thinking. However when it comes to dealing with the insurgency in Iraq then there is something that I get annoyed by this idea that insurgency is controlled by fanatics this is not the case in iraq at the moment there a 54 insurgent groups these groups are clearly broad in thinking some are extremists but the majority are innocent iraqis who have had no choice but to take up the gun. These people deserve out support as they are fighting the real fighting against capitalist not anarchists or activists like us who wish to use the names of Bukinin and Marx in order to condemn the insurgency struggle in Iraq.

As for anarchism and hierarchy i agree with u hierarchy is not what i agree with but the going back to situation in LARC well again i would like to say that the two people that were thrown out werent thrown out on consensus basis but on a hierchical basis. That hierarchy being names removed - stop posting them