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Apr 11 2006
#2
hope it's for good this time...
Apr 11 2006
#3
Phew, that was scary for a second there, I almost had to leave the house 
Apr 11 2006
#4
I had to go around the net buying t shirts at work instead of talking shite. It was well expensive!
Apr 11 2006
#5
Anyone know if Jess replied to my post about Point break?
I'm sure I wrote that longer ago, so much has been lost. The Man has put the revolution back weeks.
Apr 12 2006
#6
we lost about 5 hours worth of time i think.
Jess didnt reply
Apr 12 2006
#7
rkn wrote:
we lost about 5 hours worth of time i think.Jess didnt reply
thanks rkn.
Apr 12 2006
#8
hey you guys have a shit host, lets face it.
We should be digging deep to get libcom on a better server, time for another one of those oisleep style guilt tripping collections!
Apr 12 2006
#9
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hey you guys have a shit host, lets face it.
Had a blackout, eh? I've been away for a while.
Can the admin confirm that libcom is hosted remotely? This surprises me, I thought you guys would be hosting on your own server or something... more work but more reliable due to more control
Apr 12 2006
#10
aketus wrote:
Can the admin confirm that libcom is hosted remotely? This surprises me, I thought you guys would be hosting on your own server or something... more work but more reliable due to more control
its all about money mate, if you give rkn £800 i'm sure he will set one up immediately 
a decent server is around £2k, hosting it is about 800/year, so we are not talking of peanuts here.
dedicated virtual server would only be a fraction of that, and much less hassle, but still way more expensive than the current set up.
Apr 12 2006
#11
JDMF wrote:
dedicated virtual server would only be a fraction of that, and much less hassle, but still way more expensive than the current set up.
Hmmm like how much?
Apr 12 2006
#12
http://www.123-reg.co.uk/dedicated.shtml
JDMF - this kinda thing?
Apr 12 2006
#13
Jack wrote:
http://www.123-reg.co.uk/dedicated.shtmlJDMF - this kinda thing?
yeah, though it seems like they dont give you root access to the virtual box. This can be a good or a bad thing. If you guys want to become proper geeks there is no substitute to shell access with root rights, that is just sweet and makes everything so much more flexible and easier in the long run.
The learning curve is steep though if you dont have prior knowledge, so be prepared to have linux machine at home for playing and testing etc. The linux user community is second to none though and the open source community is really helpful.
I have experience with these guys from london and they are good:
http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/services/vds
what they give is a full virtual box - but you would need to build everything yourself, apache, mysql etc. Thats a piece of piss though because they run debian linux there and their package management is superior.
all these choices comrades, all these choices...
Apr 12 2006
#14
I'd really rather it was a Windows server and not Linux.
Apr 12 2006
#15
Jack wrote:
I'd really rather it was a Windows server and not Linux.
your funeral.
Apr 12 2006
#16
What, because a Windows based server would murder me?
Apr 12 2006
#17
Jack wrote:
I'd really rather it was a Windows server and not Linux.
Apr 12 2006
#18
Which of us knows enough about Linux to fiddle with a linux server, then?
Apr 12 2006
#19
Jack wrote:
What, because a Windows based server would murder me?
practically yes, disgruntled libcom users would strangle you at earliest convenience for choosing such an unstabe and unsecure platform
hey linux is not too bad, and server maintenance always has a steep learning curve. I bet you guys would learn to use shell stuff pretty quickly.
Apr 12 2006
#20
JDMF wrote:
practically yes, disgruntled libcom users would strangle you at earliest convenience for choosing such an unstabe and unsecure platform
Yea, the man could read their PM's.
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hey linux is not too bad, and server maintenance always has a steep learning curve. I bet you guys would learn to use shell stuff pretty quickly.
It's not so much linux I don't like, just people who use it.
Apr 12 2006
#21
Jack wrote:
It's not so much linux I don't like, just people who use it.
i've had the privilege to go to many open source conferences because of my job and it seems like the typical open source proponent and maintainer in the industry is a middle aged, usually male (perhaps 9 to 1 ratio) with leftist politics. What is pretty damn cool is the power of collaborative development spilling over to other topics and discussions, for instance medicine, or just power of co-operation and mutual aid.
i've been very impressed, but then again as an eternal optimist i am easily impressed
Apr 12 2006
#22
JDMF wrote:
Jack wrote:
it seems like the typical open source proponent and maintainer in the industry is a middle aged, usually male (perhaps 9 to 1 ratio) with leftist politics.So, like the anarchist movement?
Apr 12 2006
#23
Jack wrote:
JDMF wrote:
Jack wrote:
it seems like the typical open source proponent and maintainer in the industry is a middle aged, usually male (perhaps 9 to 1 ratio) with leftist politics.So, like the anarchist movement?
yeah though without the "911 IS A LIE" guy wandering in the background.
Apr 12 2006
#24
JDMF wrote:
yeah though without the "911 IS A LIE" guy wandering in the background.
Apr 12 2006
#25
Yea, just All your twating base are belong to us instead.
Apr 12 2006
#26
Windows as a server?
You hear something new every day.
Surely everyone knows that linux is a far better OS in terms of running servers. Most organisations running windows machines on a network, use linux as their server. It's one of the few things Linux is superior in (the general use desktop, I think, is not stable enough). but this ought to be in the techie thread I guess.
IF you were to run your own server, you'd probably want something stable (that was the point of this thread - stable hosts), and for stable servers, I don't think Windows can really compete with Linux
I don't think the issue should be 'we shouldn't use linux coz we don't know how to use it', I think the question should be 'which is a better platform for a server?' Learning it can come afterwards. but then, I wouldn't be involved, so perhaps this post seems biased. Anyway, the usual disclaimer of 'my two cents' 
Apr 12 2006
#27
jack is just being a tit, fuck sure linux is use as a server for every decent multiplayer game.
Apr 12 2006
#28
Jef Costello wrote:
Anyone know if Jess replied to my post about Point break?I'm sure I wrote that longer ago, so much has been lost. The Man has put the revolution back weeks.
I've replied now, but I think it'll disappoint you.
Apr 12 2006
#29
Yeah ignore jack - he is talking shite.
Right now we pay fuck all for our hosting, which is good in some respects, but bad in others (what happened yesterday).
I was looking at the black cat VDS the other day, they dont actually seem that expensive, something which isnt totally out of our reach. But its just getting to use it which would be the problem (i.e. getting to use linux) - just lack of time to teach ourselves. Also it would probably help to have one more techie person on board.
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The learning curve is steep though if you dont have prior knowledge, so be prepared to have linux machine at home for playing and testing etc.
Explain more JDMF?
Apr 12 2006
#30
rkn wrote:
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The learning curve is steep though if you dont have prior knowledge, so be prepared to have linux machine at home for playing and testing etc.
Explain more JDMF?
basically it would be better if you didn;t test all your apache configurations, or you database settings on the live system.
So i would recommend getting a cheapo used normal desktop machine home and installing debian on it (or the same linux than on your server - debian rules though, its the most anarcho communist OS out there ). Mirror the exact file structure and settings on it as you would on the live server, and use it as your sandpit.
by focusing on using the command line and not the graphical interface you would learn the linux things in couple of months, and 6 months later land on a good job
Phew!