whoever chose this picture
Apr 26 2007 10:09
Apr 26 2007 10:54
#2
that middlesex declaration is insane.
Apr 26 2007 11:08
#3
ftony wrote:
that middlesex declaration is insane.
You know gav fed it through babelfish into french and back and it made more sense?
I always imagine it read with the euro-activist* lisp as well.
"I was at the enqwentwo at pwerto allegwe in bwasil"
* even if they're english.
Apr 26 2007 11:16
#4
John. wrote:
You know gav fed it through babelfish into french and back and it made more sense?
babelfish wrote:
We decided to prepare us at MAY FIRST 005 of common EURO, to be held in the principal cities of Europe, claiming annoyed times
Apr 26 2007 11:37
#5
It's funny enough on its own:
Quote:
We networkers and flextimers of Northern and Southern Europe, autonomously gathered at Middlesex University and determined to go beyond the sclerotizing European Social Forum, solemnly join minds and bodies...
Apr 26 2007 12:00
#6
Quote:
join minds and bodies...
Like this
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Apr 26 2007 12:01
#7
My fave
2 A bunch of muppets bringing a soundsystem into a Wetherspoons after the Anarchist Bookfair and playing shite music and being aggressive to the staff, as an "action", until one Antifa comrade kicked it in.
Apr 26 2007 12:13
#8
big wespeck to the 'one antifa comrade'. that bit was never reported on indymedia IIRC
Apr 26 2007 12:29
#9
ftony wrote:
that middlesex declaration is insane.
actually written by european left intellectuals and radical academics (john holloway and massimo de angelis were both involved in drafting it) following in the grand traditons, and using the same arcane language, of the italian autonomia and french situationists.
From a working class anarchist perspective it's absolutely meaningless and, it could be argued, its main purpose is to allow middle class people to retain a measured control over the language we use.
As a satisfying burst of pompous intellectualism its not disimilar to the everday manifesto, although obviously from completely opposite end of the spectrum.
Apr 26 2007 12:34
#10
weren't the wombles heavily involved in drafting it too?
Apr 26 2007 12:35
#11
Joseph K. wrote:
weren't the wombles heavily involved in drafting it too?
no.
Apr 26 2007 12:37
#12
ahh i barely knew what a womble was back then, but the middlesex uni fringe event was them yeah? i just put 2 and 2 together ...
Apr 26 2007 12:39
#13
we hosted beyond esf and put our name to the declaration but the people who wrote it were big european autonomous left heavyweights.
Apr 26 2007 12:44
#14
oh ok, by "big european autonomous left heavyweights," you obviously mean "eurogeneration insurgents" though 
i mean, given as you put your name to the declaration, you can see how i thought you might have helped write it yeah?
Apr 26 2007 12:46
#15
coffeemachine wrote:
we hosted beyond esf and put our name to the declaration but the people who wrote it were big european autonomous left heavyweights.
I always thought John Holloway was a pompous tit talking shite, a real wannabe Negri but with shitter metaphors and jarring poetic rhetoric.
Apr 26 2007 13:07
#16
Joseph K. wrote:
i mean, given as you put your name to the declaration, you can see how i thought you might have helped write it yeah?
absolutely. And i can see how you would think it was an anarchisty thing. Many myths are reinforced at drunken libcom nights at the foundry joseph.
That said, Middlesex declaration or not?
At a time when we assist to a European and global destruction of social advantages by deregulation of social welfare attacking workers’ rights through the so-called reforms of labour rights, labour market, by the constant and global social insecurity (privatisation, workers competition, extention of new work contracts, augmentation of work with no rights, undocumented workers, unwaged...)
We observe the omnipresence of a project of neoliberalism where rising profits of a few and submitting the greatest number to even more exploitation and poverty all over the world.
Apr 26 2007 13:17
#17
coffeemachine wrote:
Many myths are reinforced at drunken libcom nights at the foundry joseph.
eh? wasn't discussed i'm afraid, and i was on halves anyway. me and my little bro stayed in the beyond esf squat, remember being somewhat bemused by the statement after seeing it even back then. my bro learned a valuable lesson about trots the morning after the livingstone intervention though, with weymann bennet (sp?) et al denouncing the anarchists as racists, anti-semites, thieves etc
Apr 26 2007 13:19
#18
Is that Vignolles?
Apr 26 2007 13:30
#19
Joseph K. wrote:
coffeemachine wrote:
Many myths are reinforced at drunken libcom nights at the foundry joseph.eh? wasn't discussed i'm afraid, and i was on halves anyway. me and my little bro stayed in the beyond esf squat, remember being somewhat bemused by the statement after seeing it even back then. my bro learned a valuable lesson about trots the morning after the livingstone intervention though, with weymann bennet (sp?) et al denouncing the anarchists as racists, anti-semites, thieves etc
your brother was on the livingstone intervention? Fair play to him.
The declaration came from a very european tradition, which to us is either baffling and exotic or mystifying and ridiculous. I'm not going to apologise for the language used but i defend wholeheartedly the sentiment its trying to express.
That said middlesex declaration or not?
We will employ all methods of direct action and subvertising at our disposal to support strikes, pickets, stoppages, boycotts, blockades, sabotages, protests all over Europe.
Apr 26 2007 13:37
#20
I made that picture!
Apr 26 2007 13:44
#21
I wrote:
(nicked off gdid's anarkismo article i think, but hey)
guydebordisdead wrote:
I made that picture!
memory one, forgettery nil
coffeemachine wrote:
your brother was on the livingstone intervention? Fair play to him.
we were 10 minutes late and they'd shut the doors, but he stuck around to learn a bit about the met's attitude to public order, i.e. wait until they're round the corner from the liberals and kick off
Apr 26 2007 14:13
#22
coffeemachine wrote:
As a satisfying burst of pompous intellectualism its not disimilar to the everday manifesto
Really? I dunno to me they look quite different. Maybe I'm missing something...
Middlesex wrote:
Pharmaceuticals
The cost of medicine and equipment is spiralling due to profiteering pharmaceutical companies and the patent laws that support them. Drug corporations claim their prices are massively higher than the cost of manufacture[6] in order to recoup their Research and Development investment. In fact top U.S. drug companies spend 2.5 times more on advertising than R&D[7], and only 22 per cent of big pharmaceutical companies’ staff are employed in R&D, while 39 per cent are in marketing[8].
Manifesto wrote:
We are eurogeneration insurgent: our idea of Europe is a radical, xenophiliac, libertarian, antidystopian, open democratic space able to counter Atlanticist, Hobbesian, Darwininst, warmongering, securitarian neoliberalism.
Apr 26 2007 14:14
#23
guydebordisdead wrote:
I made that picture!
i want to use that for our critique of crimethinc. which should probably get round to puttin up since we wrote it about 3 years ago...
Apr 26 2007 14:22
#24
Quote:
I always thought John Holloway was a pompous tit
also he has an utterly flawed conception of what power is and does.
Quote:
either baffling and exotic or mystifying and ridiculous.
i like to take it about half of each 
Apr 26 2007 14:25
#25
John. wrote:
guydebordisdead wrote:
I made that picture!i want to use that for our critique of crimethinc. which should probably get round to puttin up since we wrote it about 3 years ago...
Cool. I'd fancy a read of that, I think they're relaunching their dotnet site on mayday.
Apr 26 2007 15:14
#26
guydebordisdead wrote:
John. wrote:
guydebordisdead wrote:
I made that picture!i want to use that for our critique of crimethinc. which should probably get round to puttin up since we wrote it about 3 years ago...
Cool. I'd fancy a read of that, I think they're relaunching their dotnet site on mayday.
what an insult to the haymarket martyrs. Well apart from Lingg maybe. I'll email it to you. [edit, can't find it, will do next week]
Apr 26 2007 15:24
#27
John. wrote:
guydebordisdead wrote:
they're relaunching their dotnet site on mayday.what an insult to the haymarket martyrs.
"fit-ups, show trials and execution: if you're not having fun you're not doing it right"
Apr 26 2007 19:14
#28
Just to clarify:
1) The Middlesex declaration was produced by a few individuals on behalf of the "FIRST ASSEMBLY OF THE EURO-PRECARIAT" it was NOT an ending statement of the organisers of BEYOND ESF.
2) John Holloway and Massimo De Angellis did NOT participate in writing that statement
By the mere fact that anarchists did not produce that statement I'm baffled why its on your childish little list.
Ales
p.s. I like to add that that assembly was the foundation of the EUROMAYDAY Network which mobilised over 300,000 precarious and casual workers onto the streets of over 23 of Europe's Capital Cities on Mayday in 2005 and 2006. Umm...I doubt a little list on your wadical website is gonna do much.....don't you think?
:-0)
Apr 26 2007 19:16
#29
raw wrote:
2) John Holloway and Massimo De Angellis did NOT participate in writing that statement
By the mere fact that anarchists did not produce that statement I'm baffled why its on your childish little list.
Ales
take it up with your AIDS skeptic mate then.
Apr 26 2007 19:19
#30
revol68 wrote:
raw wrote:
2) John Holloway and Massimo De Angellis did NOT participate in writing that statement
By the mere fact that anarchists did not produce that statement I'm baffled why its on your childish little list.
Ales
take it up with your AIDS skeptic mate then.
Fuck off you little useless cunt
:-0)
(nicked off gdid's anarkismo article i think, but hey)