workplace hierarchy is not a good thing
May 9 2007 22:19
Don't you just hate it when you're proved right?
I acted as a companion for someone at work bringing an equal pay grievance. Lo and behold she was shortly suspended for gross misconduct (and hadn't been there for a year so has no recourse for unfair dismissal).
Now subtle threats have been passed on to me.
And I stopped paying my union subs after they did fuck all to prevent some dodgy redundancies (the financial situation was real, but the choice for the chop was blatant). Oops.
May 9 2007 22:28
#2
A scab for being pissed off with a union that gave no support to members and refuses to countenance any action? Fuck off.
May 9 2007 22:33
#3
Well, way I was raised my mom taught me that a scabs a scab and there ain't much to debate about. I tend to agree with her. So tough luck.
May 9 2007 22:34
#4
You're a knob.
May 9 2007 22:35
#5
And so's your mum.
May 9 2007 22:35
#6
tigersiskillers wrote:
You're a knob.
Maybe, but I've never scabbed.
May 9 2007 22:36
#7
tigersiskillers wrote:
And so's your mum.
You seem defensive about being a scab. Why is that?
May 9 2007 22:37
#8
does it feel good to be a scab?
May 9 2007 22:37
#9
May 9 2007 22:38
#10
does it feel good to be a scab?
May 9 2007 22:40
#11
anarcho-bolshevik wrote:
does it feel good to be a scab?
if you are talking to me you can go fuck yerself
May 9 2007 22:40
#12
x357997 wrote:
I find it hard to believe you'd disagree here. Seriously.
May 9 2007 22:40
#13
tree: there is no point in being a little baby...if you want something done...do it.
May 9 2007 22:42
#14
So leaving a union is worse than a union that rolls over at the first whiff of conflict? Hmm.
I'll admit to being a bit crap at signing up to a different union, but that hardly makes me a scab.
May 9 2007 22:42
#15
thugarchist wrote:
x357997 wrote:
I find it hard to believe you'd disagree here. Seriously.
i just think this whole damn thing is silly....there is no point in calling tree a scab...if he doesnt like his union then he should try to change it...i dont know what his labour law is like...
May 9 2007 22:45
#16
x357997 wrote:
thugarchist wrote:
x357997 wrote:
I find it hard to believe you'd disagree here. Seriously.
i just think this whole damn thing is silly....there is no point in calling tree a scab...if he doesnt like his union then he should try to change it...i dont know what his labour law is like...
Changing your union is good. Scabbing is an uncrossable line. What the fuck is wrong with you?
May 9 2007 22:45
#17
you can't change a union from the outside.
May 9 2007 22:47
#18
tigersiskillers wrote:
So leaving a union is worse than a union that rolls over at the first whiff of conflict? Hmm.
I'll admit to being a bit crap at signing up to a different union, but that hardly makes me a scab.
I don't care what you fucking limey anarchy theory labor lawyers think really, but if I worked where you do and you scabbed on the rest of us you'd have a real serious problem.
May 9 2007 22:55
#19
So is supporting someone on a grievance scabbing, while not supporting someone facing redundancy is fine?
Weird.
May 9 2007 22:56
#20
tigersiskillers wrote:
So is supporting someone on a grievance scabbing, while not supporting someone facing redundancy fine?Weird.
You're a scab. Its your own fault if the union sucks.
May 9 2007 22:57
#21
tiger.
you"re in a union shop. he quit the union. you're a scab.
deal with it. accept it. buy it dinner. you're a scab.
May 9 2007 23:10
#22
It's more likely that it's down to it being a centre left government supporting bureaucracy full of paid officials more concerned about the interests of the bureaucracy than the membership that makes it suck.
To be honest, the thing that will protect me most now is a little solidarity from other workers, which I have already been offered, and has already been more effective internally for other people than the union was.
May 9 2007 23:12
#23
The Scab
by Jack London
After God had finished with the rat and the snake, the toad and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a Scab.
A Scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water-sogged brain, and a combination backbone made of jelly and glue.Where other people have hearts, he carried a tumour of rotten principles.
When a Scab comes down the street other men turn their backs, the angels weep tears in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out.
No man has the right to scab as long as there is a pool of waterdeep enough to drown his body or a rope long enough to hang his car-case with.Judas Iscariot was a gentleman compared with a Scab, for, afterbetraying his master, he had enough character to hang himself; but a Scab has not.
There is no word in the English language that carries so much hatred, scorn, loathing and contempt as the term Scab. Oncebranded, a man is marked for life. There is no escape. It is infinitely worse than the brand that was placed upon Cain.
It goes with the man everywhere. It shadows his footsteps. It never dies, and no wonder, for it. is a synonym of all that is mean, contemptible and unmanly. It designates the loss of dignity, honour, principle and manhood. It signifies that it is impossible for its owner to descend to lower depths.
He has tried to undermine men who are battling for the bread and butter of their wives and little ones and rivet the -chain of oppression around them; he has sought to defeat his fellows.
Judas Iscariot would never have sunk so low. The criminal from the penitentiary may to some degree, rehabilitate his character, but the Scab is an eternal fixture, a living monument of self-inflicted shame, a reproach to honest men, a something that bears an outward resemblance to man, but from whom the dignity of man has departed forever.
As men shun the leper for fear of physical contamination, so they shun the Scab for fear of moral contamination. When a man has descended so low as to deserve this term, it is as eternal as though graven onmarble tablets or plates of brass. It never deserts him; it even descends with him to the grave".
May 9 2007 23:21
#24
Ooh, that's cutting. And so accurate too!
Quote:
He has tried to undermine men who are battling for the bread and butter of their wives and little ones and rivet the -chain of oppression around them; he has sought to defeat his fellows.
Yes, I did that!
You're not a paid union worker by any chance are you?
Again, interested to see that a reformist bureaucracy that sold out our staff (and not just in my eyes) is more important than workplace activity. I should have stayed for the cheaper home insurance? ffs, it's not even that I'm against TUs.
May 9 2007 23:24
#25
tigersiskillers wrote:
Ooh, that's cutting. And so accurate too!Quote:
He has tried to undermine men who are battling for the bread and butter of their wives and little ones and rivet the -chain of oppression around them; he has sought to defeat his fellows.Yes, I did that!
You're not a paid union worker by any chance are you?
Again, interested to see that a reformist bureaucracy that sold out our staff (and not just in my eyes) is more important than workplace activity. I should have stayed for the cheaper home insurance? ffs, it's not even that I'm against TUs.
You're against the entire class.
May 9 2007 23:25
#26
are you seeking to change the union??? just being a little baby by not paying dues??? activley trying to fuck over the workers who are organized???
only one makes you not a scab...i just give the benefit of the doubt before jumping down his throat....but it looks like your absention from dues is not a tactic to put pressure on the union but just a symptom of being a baby....
May 9 2007 23:28
#27
x357997 wrote:
are you seeking to change the union??? just being a little baby by not paying dues??? activley trying to fuck over the workers who are organized???only one makes you not a scab...i just give the benefit of the doubt before jumping down his throat....but it looks like your absention from dues is not a tactic to put pressure on the union but just a symptom of being a baby....
A politically concious person is held to a higher standard. The guys a scab.
May 9 2007 23:34
#28
thugarchist wrote:
x357997 wrote:
are you seeking to change the union??? just being a little baby by not paying dues??? activley trying to fuck over the workers who are organized???only one makes you not a scab...i just give the benefit of the doubt before jumping down his throat....but it looks like your absention from dues is not a tactic to put pressure on the union but just a symptom of being a baby....
A politically concious person is held to a higher standard. The guys a scab.
my last post just essentialy called him a scab...go drink some tea er something...
May 9 2007 23:34
#29
Oh for christ's sake. Look, the union a minority of staff members was a part of lost all respect and most of its members. A couple of us discussed joining another union and seeking recognition. We sounded people out, no enthusiasm. I was planning to join anyway, haven't done it yet. I hardly think that makes me an enemy of my class.
May 9 2007 23:35
#30
x357997 wrote:
thugarchist wrote:
x357997 wrote:
are you seeking to change the union??? just being a little baby by not paying dues??? activley trying to fuck over the workers who are organized???only one makes you not a scab...i just give the benefit of the doubt before jumping down his throat....but it looks like your absention from dues is not a tactic to put pressure on the union but just a symptom of being a baby....
A politically concious person is held to a higher standard. The guys a scab.
my last post just essentialy called him a scab...go drink some tea er something...
I know. I misread it at first. My most humble apologies.
So your a scab and you're gonna get fired? Sounds fair to me.