Accidental Anarchist: Carne Ross (BBC Storyville)

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Aug 7 2017 22:24
Accidental Anarchist: Carne Ross (BBC Storyville)

Anyone seen this?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08z007p

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Aug 7 2017 22:31

I didn't watch this, but I saw a Newsnight feature involving him.

The problem I saw was that he has an anarcho-liberal/leftist conception of "anarchism" (e.g. co-ops, gradualism, direct democracy, etc.)

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Aug 8 2017 11:40

It's also up on youtube, for now, for anyone who can't view it on iplayer:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=1focry81SQ8

Here's the Newsnight clip:

https://mobile.twitter.com/carneross/status/892454085663838208

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Aug 8 2017 12:53

I caught this on iplayer. It’s a pretty nice documentary. It’ll speak to liberals and generally anyone disaffected by modern politics. I think they made a mistake by not explaining to the audience what anarchism actually is. They kept saying that he’s an anarchist but it would’ve been helpful to describe its tenets to ppl who don’t know anything about it. His life story is interesting, and he came off as a sincere guy.

The second half of the documentary talks about Rojava and he actually goes there. I was particularly interested in that bit.

All in all, quite a light documentary. More of a human interest story than an educational or avant garde documentary.

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Aug 12 2017 07:54

This is I think the best English language documentary I have ever seen about anarchism. I don’t share quite a few of Ross’s key views, but both this doc and his book ‘The Leaderless Revolution’ (http://theleaderlessrevolution.com/) are excellently clear pieces of communication, which is no surprise given he is an ex-diplomat. Much contemporary anarchist writing is either purposefully shoddy (…many zines) or obtuse academic waffle. We and ‘The Beautiful Idea’ deserve better. And this is better.

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Aug 13 2017 12:07

Can anyone seed it on thepiratebay or similar?

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Aug 13 2017 13:15

A magnificent programme. So rare to see anything remotely positive on mainstream media.

People don't need detailed abstract definitions of Anarchism. It's always better in practice than theory. People whose interest was aroused can start trying to search a user-friendly information site.

Ross's book has little time for "the movement".

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Aug 13 2017 18:33

Altemark, see the YouTube link above

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Aug 14 2017 01:20

"BBC Storyville 2017 - Accid..." This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Hopscotch Films.

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Aug 14 2017 11:21

If you use linux and want to watch bbc try this: https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer

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Aug 14 2017 12:32

I youtube-dl'd it so have it on my harddrive. Ute och ränner so can't share atm will see what I can do later.

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Aug 15 2017 21:20

Just watched it on BBC I-player. Interesting programme and he seemed like a decent chap - though obviously I'd have quite a few differences. Also, he does have a bit of a rose tinted view of Rojava. Still, at least the beeb is showing something a little less mainstream and his nod to Orwell and Spain in 1936 was all right.

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Aug 15 2017 21:39
Quote:
"BBC Storyville 2017 - Accid..." This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Hopscotch Films.

Damn, it worked when I clicked on it.

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Aug 18 2017 21:41

Up on Mvgroup and demonoid!

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Sep 1 2017 15:05

I noticed that the SPGB gave it a friendly and only lightly critical review here;
www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2010s/2017/no-1357-september-2017/proper-gander-un-anarchism
Craftwork and others have rightly nailed this guys liberal anarchism - obviously he's no anarchist-communist.
As and aside - This issue of the Socialist Standard also has a brief 'non-committal' review of Michael Roberts Book titled 'The Long Depression' but there is a more favourable one here:
www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2016-10-31/is-capitalism-past-its-sell-by-date-review-of-michael-roberts-the-long
with the whole subject also extensively discussed on a 'Questions and Answers' thread here on libcom.

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Sep 15 2017 12:04

I see that Carne Ross is talking at this years London Anarchist bookfair following a related film. Whilst his personal transformation is interesting and worthy, his particular political take on anarchism is not mine and not recommended, so given the wide choice on offer I won't be going to that session.
Pity some of the London selection of meetings don't get a wider distribution across the regional bookfairs and other public events.

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Nov 7 2017 00:55

What did he say at the bookfair?

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Nov 21 2017 00:45

I don't know what he said at the Bookfair, but the room was rammed for both film & discussion, and as far as i've heard WW3 did not break out. It sounds like a great success...?

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Nov 21 2017 10:59

It's Going Down just did a podcast with him, not listened to it: https://itsgoingdown.org/twilight-statecraft-carne-ross-war-climate-change-crisis/