Article by Venezulan anarchists on Chavez + the situation

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Comision de Relaciones Anarquistas - El Libertario newspaper

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www.nodo50.org/ellibertario (in spanish & english)

Our friends from abroad continuously ask us to explain our views about the current situation in Venezuela. This reply is based on two recent texts by the editing team of El Libertario, already published in their entirety in the internet (in Spanish), and from which we extract our main points.

º Neither shameful anarchism nor shameless anti-imperialism: a reply to P. Moras

The article «Anarquismo, antiimperialismo, Cuba y Venezuela» by Pablo Moras is a new attempt to nullify our perspective about the Venezuelan reality with lies and ignorance. Let’s start by noting what’s obvious upon reading it (it can be found at various websites): Moras ignores essential points about Venezuela. Even when he bothers to salute what he calls the El Libertario collective, he questions those groups from the Iberian peninsula that consider us a reference for understanding what happens in these lands. He seems ignorant of the concrete proposals we make in the pages of the voice of the CRA, or in other printed materials we have produced, or in our website or in the numerous contributions we have sent to many alternative media, where he could have found the vision we’ll try to condense in this reply. This lack of knowledge of what happens here is evident by the weak and generic paragraphs Moras writes specifically about Venezuela, which we will insist upon given his intention to invalidate, by means of platitudes, the thorough analysis of the Chavez regime and the national situation since Chavez assumed the presidency in 1999 that we publish in El Libertario. A complete list of these works is available in the Index section of our website www.nodo50.org/ellibertario.

In general, it is absurd to promote the Komintern-like idea that “popular advance” and/or “anti-imperialism” is whatever self-defines as such. In the case of Venezuela, the popular advances in education, health and nutrition can only be seen as such from a position of total ignorance of the local history, since after the mid XX century oil income allowed for the fulfillment of certain needs in these areas in exchange for supporting the elites in power, exactly as it happens today (a detailed analysis in «Un Cardenal sermonea sobre las misiones» [A Cardinal preaches about the missions] El Libertario #45, November 2005). Regarding Chavez’s anti-imperialism we have amply shown (see the sections Petroleo, Coyuntura Venezolana [Oil, the Venezuelan Situation] and Luchas y movimientos sociales en Venezuela [Struggles and social movements in Venezuela] in the above mentioned Index) how this government has supinely given in to the imperial demands for the control of what matters most to capitalist globalization: the energy resources and other natural products and the market for manufactured goods, even those we are capable of manufacturing ourselves or those we used to manufacture until recently. The Comandante may shout whatever insults he likes against Bush, but that loud-mouthed anti-imperialism means nothing as long as he continues giving Chevron, Conoco-Phillips or Repsol the control of our reserves of oil and natural gas, continues giving Telefonica our communications, giving Grupo Santander and BBV our bank sector, giving Cristallex our gold mines and to Vale do Rio Doce or Peabody our coal reserves.

Moras talks about Venezuela using untenable statements. For instance, he makes reference to workers and peasants in struggle, alluding to the imaginative tales that Chavez’s propaganda spreads abroad regarding factory and land occupations, something that has happened in only a few instances and under government control, nationalizing bankrupt or seriously troubled agricultural and industrial enterprises, operating them in a regime of state capitalism with no intention of putting them in the hands of the workers. Perhaps such workers and peasants in struggle are what Moras imagines union bureaucrats of UNETE to be, who use their leftist running of the mouth to legitimize the forms of oppression that workers now suffer. It’s enough to mention the government’s conduct in their own co-managed enterprises, besides the fact that the command structure in the governmental administration is in the hands of soldiers and former soldiers. For an actual description of this situation, see the writings in the section Sindicalismo y entorno laboral [Syndicalism and the labor environment] in our Index, particularly «Fabricas tomadas: mitos, realidades y una postura libertaria» [Occupied factories: myths, realities and a libertarian stance] (#38) «Cogestion bolivariana-socialista» [Bolivarian-socialist co-management] (#43) and «Venepal no es de los trabajadores» [Venepal doesn’t belong to the workers] (#43).

On the coup of April 2002, Moras repeats the line that it was “frustrated by the people”, a very questionable hypothesis if anybody looks at the details of the power plays that took place between the 10 and the 13 of April 2002. We have published the work «Una encrucijada hacia ninguna parte» [A crossroads to nowhere] www.nodo50.org/ellibertario/folleto-abril-02.doc, that describes the essence of what we wrote at the time about this event, which can’t be understood in the simplistic terms that Chavez’s propaganda and its foreign accolades propose.

On the other hand, Moras presents an idyllic version of the self-organization of popular sectors, which would be the result of the Chavez process. Here we refer to the precise picture we painted in El Libertario of how this regime –with valuable help from the social-democratic and rightist opposition – has been nothing but an obstacle for the advancement of autonomous social organization, by imposing political agendas that have denatured social mobilization to the point of near disappearance. The transformation of Bolivarian circles into purely electoral groups (now named Units of Electoral Struggle) is a clear example. The most recent references, among many others included in the section Coyuntura Venezolana [Venezuelan Situation] where we discuss this topic, are: «Más alla del Referendum» [Beyond the Referendum] (#39), «Propuestas para la coyuntura inmediata» [Proposals for the current situation] (#39), «El eclipse de los movimientos sociales» [The eclipse of the social movements] (#40) and «El socialismo Chavista» [Chavez’s socialism] (#42), as well as the editorials of almost all of our issues of 2004 and 2005. Moras’ key argument is that it is treason to “support the struggle against the Venezuelan state” as that would be “turning your back on ample sectors that are currently self-organizing”. As we point out in these texts and is easy to verify observing the local reality, this self-organization is a huge lie, and the grotesque experience with the remotely controlled organization of cooperatives is enough proof, since what takes place under the guise of the Bolivarian pseudo-revolution is just clients devoutly following the enlightened leader. Therefore, the only option for anarchists is to promote self-management outside of the institutionalized organization whose slogans, financing and dynamics come from the chief and his associates.

Words like “weakening capitalism” and the “timid advances in socialist culture and economy” sound quite diplomatic and serve to ingratiate you with the heirs of Marxism-Leninism that support Chavez today, but they ignore how efficient government has been in promoting transnational control of key sectors of the local economy, as well as other features that are the absolute opposite of any kind of socialism. Is it “weakening capitalism” to substitute the comprador bourgeoisie of the IV Republic by the “Bolivarian” comprador bourgeoisie? Is it appropriate to showcase as “popular advances” the fact that key indicators of welfare such as health, housing, nutrition, employment, social security, etc. function as badly as they did 10, 20 years ago, under a government that enjoys the biggest oil income of Venezuela’s history? (Statistics are available at www.derechos.org.ve). Is it natural of anti-imperialism to unconditionally follow the one and only leader and to worship the pedestrian wisdom that emanates from his endless TV appearances? Is it advancing the socialist economy the construction by decree of cooperatives to sell breakfast or tend the gardens of the state’s oil company while the latter signs huge contracts with that Halliburton so well known in Yankee-occupied Iraq? Is it an example of socialist culture the fact that soldiers, active or retired, have taken by assault the control of the state’s apparatus, and that from that very same military root the majority of the new comprador bourgeoisie is emerging? Can anybody seriously think that the corrupt elite of followers of the leader that govern Venezuela today are the enlightened vanguard of revolutionary anti-capitalist change?

We find unacceptable that Chavez’s anti-imperialism, all talk and no action, is the excuse used to push the anarchist movement towards joining the chorus of that Marxist left of useful idiots and fellow travelers that deify the Venezuelan military today. It’s impossible to understand the country’s situation while remaining fixated on the deceitful image they sell us, that of each man for himself but playing a suspicious counterpoint, that of either a Chavez government or its social democrat and rightist opposition. The CRA and El Libertario have assumed a difficult path, but a path coherent with the anarchist ideal, building a vision and a road to action capable of breaking with the cheating proposals of those who vie for power. Faced with such gangs, we can’t choose a chimerical “lesser evil” or an impossible “tactical alliance”, since doing so would mean abandoning that which is specific to and non-negotiable in the anarchist ideal. If Moras wants to do so, that’s his problem … We continue in our struggle, because we have a new world in our hearts and that new world is growing right now.

º Talking about the Venezuelan situation

[From an interview with La Rosa Negra – counterinfo from Mexico in January 2006]

- We know that you fight in three fronts: a) against pseudo-leftist Chavista groups in power; b) against the anti-Chavez opposition directed by the social democrats and the right; and c) against groups or parties of the traditional left. Could there be a ghetto imposed by the state, the right and its social democrat allies and the traditional left for anarchists in your country, or is a retreat necessary?

* Whatever the socio-political situation in any given country is, those who wield or want to wield power will try to curb any symptom of consistent libertarian struggle by building “ghettoes” of repression, open or hidden, where to confine it. It is natural for the anarchist militant to confront the intentions of the powers that be, it is a task we must carry on without fail, and above all, without resigning ourselves to the supposedly inevitable condition of being excluded. In no way does the CRA retreat or hide within our shell waiting for better times, and whoever has direct contact with our activities or simply reads El Libertario with due attention and frequency, will find enough evidence that we’re not a group who stares at its own navel.

- We get the impression that the triumph of abstention in the past elections (12/4/05) and the retreat of civil struggle groups towards “no participation” is fertile ground for the forceful imposition of state (Chavista) initiatives. Is this perception true?

* We make clear that according to the government’s own statistics abstention, understood as the no participation in an electoral process of sectors of the population that could rightfully vote by virtue of being Venezuelan citizens and having the age to vote, has been the norm in all elections in this country since 1989, even during the referendum to recall the president in 2004, when the gangs from the political opposition and the demagogue government made a supreme effort to bring the incredulous masses to the polls. It is an error to qualify as civil struggle groups certain figureheads of the opposition that opportunistically gamble with abstention today, they aren’t in any way representative of real social forces in Venezuela. As to the rest, no doubt the Chavez regime tries to impose state control mechanisms everywhere, but being such a corrupt and inept government, blinded by thinking that is building solid popular support turning part of the poorest people into clients dependent on the state’s dole, it’s going to cost them plenty to make any advances in that contradictory chimera that it calls “XXI Century Socialism”, which is nothing but an underdeveloped capitalism of the XIX Century.

- Likewise, we think that the Venezuelan anarchists’ struggle became trapped in a sea of supposedly anti-imperialist propaganda, promoted by what we at LRN call the Kirchner-Chavez-Morales-Castro axis. Is this true? And if it is, will the Venezuelan anarchist resistance need to double its effort?

* We can’t understand how that perception exists, anybody who’s followed our actions and our thinking will find that we have not been duped by the fallacious “you’re with Chavez or else you’re with Bush”, as we have clearly shown evidence to dismantle this farce. It hasn’t been easy to uphold this position that smashes the simplistic schemes that have led the Latin-American left from failure to failure for over 80 years, and multiplying our efforts to keep our position has been the order of the day, but our consistency begins to produce results, undoubtedly modest but full of hope that fall within the renewed activity and presence of anarchism in South America, still a minority political expression but one that has made advances between the decade of the 90’s and today that are, quantitatively and qualitatively speaking, very important compared to what happened during the five or six previous decades. The challenge is to transform this modest renaissance into the ability to make a significant mark on the process for positive social change sorely needed in our continent.

- The Kirchner-Chavez-Morales-Castro axis has several faces: it presents itself as the triumph of parliamentary democracy and conversely, as the standard of struggle against the empire, as mediator of popular social movements and consequently, as the catalyst for civil resistance. What defensive wall do the Venezuelan anarchists have?

* You’re asking us about our main proposal for action right now. Let’s quote a paragraph from our editorial of El Libertario #44: “We are not, nor do we want to be, contenders for the control of institutionalized power: we are anarchists and we aspire to the disappearance of state power and any other oppressive hierarchical structure. This is not just a profession of faith; our actions here and now mean assuming the commitment to promote and empower the autonomy of any social movement consistent with the ideal. Therefore, we are not interested in building ‘anarchist social movements’ that would prove as useless to collective progress as the Bolivarian circles or those opposition parties disguised as NGO’s. We bet on social movements that build the dynamics for independent action and organization, based on the widest participation on all levels that will allow the formation of different modes of direct action and self-management away from the state’s control or any other instance of oppression, it is the only way to consolidate spaces of freedom, equality and solidarity that will be the seed and support of the future we struggle for. Our position can be summarized with these words from John Holloway: to change the world without taking power”.

- In view of this, does the CRA-El Libertario think a wider effort to spread anarchist ideas is called for?

* Considering Venezuelan history, this educational task is a priority, because we have an environment where ignorance of libertarian ideals was almost totally absolute. After 10 years of activity we can point at some successes in this area, but they are hardly the beginning and there’s still much to do, so the spreading of anarchist thought is still a constant problem for those of us in this collective, and we invite all to get to know our work, getting in touch with us, personally or via email, visiting our locals and social clusters where we do our activities – such as the Centro de Estudios Sociales Libertarios of Caracas, www.centrosocial.contrapoder.org.ve and getting information about the CRA and El Libertario.

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This is already on the ifa site, along with other writings from Venezuela.

www.iaf-ifa.org in the news section

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What do people think about this article?

The CRA is causing a shitshow right in Canada because of their criticism of Chavez and a lot of people feel they are undermining the revolution there with what they are saying.

Do any anarchist/ libertarian communist groups in the UK have a stance on this?

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We think the CRA are pretty cool. That's why we've reproduced so much of their stuff.

They did good work with the alternative social forum.

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Yeah, I don't mind 'em so much. Some of their stuff is a little hit and miss but I think there needs to be a little bit less cheerleading and a little bit more sober analysis and they seem to be trying to do this.

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What do people think about this article?

The CRA is causing a shitshow right in Canada because of their criticism of Chavez and a lot of people feel they are undermining the revolution there with what they are saying.

Do any anarchist/ libertarian communist groups in the UK have a stance on this?

I don't know about groups here but I hate fucking anarchists creaming themselves at the sight of a social democrat, it's fucking pathetic. I mean I can sort of expect if of americans (sorry, but american anarchists do seem to get a lot more excited by "socialist" politicians than europeans who are governed by them!) but of europeans it's truly pathetic.

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Yeah, I worry about people jumping onto bandwagons, it seems a little bit of success is a pretty powerful aphrodisiac. As soon as someone seems to get into power and starting talking shit a lot of people are willing to just forget 100 years of fucked up history. I would say Canada on the whole is not as batshit insane as the USA in general and is a lot closer to Europe though.

I really do support campaigns to stop American intervention in Venezuela though. I think it is also the best thing to do to protect Anarchists on the ground there. I mean if things go sour for them the excuse that will be used to repress them will be undermining the revolution through ultra left criticism and threatening 'unity' in the face of foreign intervention.

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ah knackered now but will crack on with it tomoz

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Comision de Relaciones Anarquistas - El Libertario newspaper

ellibertario@nodo50.org

www.nodo50.org/ellibertario (in spanish & english)

Our friends from abroad continuously ask us to explain our views about the current situation in Venezuela. This reply is based on two recent texts by the editing team of El Libertario, already published in their entirety in the internet (in Spanish), and from which we extract our main points.

Our foreign comrades continuously ask for our views on the current situation here in Venezuela. This English article is our response, based on two articles by the El Libertario editorial team that are already available on the internet in Spanish.

Neither shameful anarchism nor shameless anti-imperialism: a reply to P. Moras

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o mi giuseppe christo thats insanely wordy and po faced!!!

i'm off to do something slightly more life affirming before i try and get the next bit into human.

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the article is interesting and it takes courage to come out against Chavez . The collectivo are clear that Chavez and his backers are part of the capitalist state, which is the central question when it comes to Cavez. All those leftists, etc who talk about a "revolution" are simply calling on the working class to support one fraction of the bourgeoisie against another. However, the Collectivo , in places, seem to be calling on Chavez to be more anti-imperialist, though in the same paragraph they denounce the idea of the lesser evil

[quoteWe find unacceptable that Chavez’s anti-imperialism, all talk and no action, is the excuse used to push the anarchist movement towards joining the chorus of that Marxist left of useful idiots and fellow travelers that deify the Venezuelan military today. It’s impossible to understand the country’s situation while remaining fixated on the deceitful image they sell us, that of each man for himself but playing a suspicious counterpoint, that of either a Chavez government or its social democrat and rightist opposition. The CRA and El Libertario have assumed a difficult path, but a path coherent with the anarchist ideal, building a vision and a road to action capable of breaking with the cheating proposals of those who vie for power. Faced with such gangs, we can’t choose a chimerical “lesser evil” or an impossible “tactical alliance”, since doing so would mean abandoning that which is specific to and non-negotiable in the anarchist idal

The collective do leave a door open to a very slippery path with the idea of "all talk and no action". Can this capitalist some how become 'anti-imperialist'? Should he take a tougher line with US? Can he produce all talk and action? What action would make him anti-imperialist?

EdmontonWobbly: despite your criticism of Chavez you end up with the "lesser evil" argument

I really do support campaigns to stop American intervention in Venezuela though. I think it is also the best thing to do to protect Anarchists on the ground there. I mean if things go sour for them the excuse that will be used to repress them will be undermining the revolution through ultra left criticism and threatening 'unity' in the face of foreign intervention.

Chavez and his gang are as much enemies of the working class as the American ruling class.

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Are you saying we shouldn't campaign against foreign intervention in Venezuela? Because that is all I am saying. If you wanna stop and let the US State department do its thing then go ahead. But basicaly then all you are asking for is another Chile.

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Yes, because such campaigns serve to reinforce the idea that the working class has to take sides in inter-imperialist struggles. Chavez is as much an imperialist at the Pentagon (if you see what i mean, because clearly a building cannot be an imperialist!). You had the same sort of campaigns about Iraq. The enemy of the working class is the ruling class. As the Collective rightly point out the support of the lesser evil amounts to support of one's exploiter. Such campaigns also boast the pernious democratic illusion that our rulers will really listen to us, if only enough of us protest.

The greatest danger facing workers in Venezuela is not a US invasion but the explosion of a bloody civil war. Chavez's mobilisation of two million into his new force is an indication of this. Not only is this force there to mobilise the population to become cannon fodder for his struggle, but it is also being ready to use against workers in struggle. The US is certainly involved with supporting the fractions opposed to Chavez and would arm a civil war. Such a civil war would see workers and the general population caugth up in a blood bath.

Do you think that workers should side with Chavez or seeking to stop itself being moiblised for such a civil war?

And if the US did invade would you support workers defending 'their' country? I do not think you would call on the workers to support Chavez, and your concern is imperialist war, but the only way to oppose imperialist war is to defend internationalism.

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o mi giuseppe christo thats insanely wordy and po faced!!!

i'm off to do something slightly more life affirming before i try and get the next bit into human.

tacks i'm not sure it's newsy enough to be worth it tbh...

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oh thank gawd you said that john, i was just about to translate the whole thing grin

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Yes, because such campaigns serve to reinforce the idea that the working class has to take sides in inter-imperialist struggles. Chavez is as much an imperialist at the Pentagon (if you see what i mean, because clearly a building cannot be an imperialist!). You had the same sort of campaigns about Iraq. The enemy of the working class is the ruling class. As the Collective rightly point out the support of the lesser evil amounts to support of one's exploiter. Such campaigns also boast the pernious democratic illusion that our rulers will really listen to us, if only enough of us protest.

The greatest danger facing workers in Venezuela is not a US invasion but the explosion of a bloody civil war. Chavez's mobilisation of two million into his new force is an indication of this. Not only is this force there to mobilise the population to become cannon fodder for his struggle, but it is also being ready to use against workers in struggle. The US is certainly involved with supporting the fractions opposed to Chavez and would arm a civil war. Such a civil war would see workers and the general population caugth up in a blood bath.

Do you think that workers should side with Chavez or seeking to stop itself being moiblised for such a civil war?

And if the US did invade would you support workers defending 'their' country? I do not think you would call on the workers to support Chavez, and your concern is imperialist war, but the only way to oppose imperialist war is to defend internationalism.

that is so beautiful and spot on man, i'm gonna hang it on my wall, so i can admire its purity every day grin

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Hehe indeed tacks, the above quote is dogmatic ultra purity. I mean come on ernie! Are you seriously suggesting that we don't offer support to Venezuelans trying to repel and imperialist invasion on their home soil? Do you serious think that a Pinochet style puppet government would somehow be the same as a chavista regime? All faults aside, chavez is at the very least redistributing oil wealth to the poor and working classes. That's not something to sneeze at for nation where the vast majority of people are mired in gut wrenching poverty.

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That's a good one catch!

Here's another:

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That looks like a cigarette packet

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All faults aside, chavez is at the very least redistributing oil wealth to the poor and working classes. That's not something to sneeze at for nation where the vast majority of people are mired in gut wrenching poverty.

Even if you support such state-controlled redistribution, consider the following...

From lastest Organise! (available from http://www.afed.org.uk):

Some recent news from a UK source -

"The indigenous ‘anti-mining coalition’ in Zulia have been demanding a hearing with Chavez. Last April, when a mobilisation of thousands went to Caracas to speak to Chavez about the threat of coal mining, Chavez was unable to see them because he was meeting the football legend Maradona! Lobbying is not enough. Anglo-American mining giant is a major player in the plans the Venezuelan Government has for Zulia which will destroy tropical forests and contaminate the water supply of the entire population."

See also: The Alternative Social Forum in Caracas, Venezuela: A World Made of Many Worlds (Feb 2006): http://upsidedownworld.org/main/content/view/198/1/

which states, "... behind the anti-imperial rhetoric of the Bolivarian government, Chavez has in fact signed over the biggest concessions since the 1940’s to transnational corporations and oil giants such as ChevronTexaco, ExxonMobil, Repsol, and Shell."

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Your point? I have no illusions that the chavez government is pretty well raping the environment of Venezuela. His whole game is primitive accumulation through state sponsored infrastructure. ALBA promotes GMO soy and the new pipeline project is supposed to be placed smack in the middle of the amazon!

That's why we need to continue criticizing administration and providing comrades in country. But we can't sit here and argue that a Us puppet government wouldn't be several thousand times worse. We can't deny that poverty, illiteracy and infant mortality haven't gone down. for in spite of glaring faults, the “Bolivarian process” has boosted the quality of life considerably. At least for the time being.

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eggs actly.

I think there is astrange tendency to push all the criticisms to the front because no one else is making them/the left try and adopt chavismo which makes us look like purists.

It might seem like the same thing but there is a big diference from:

''No to chavez! For independent social movements!''

and just

''For independent social movements!''

In their impact.

A lot of trot groups try and outdo each other on how critical they can be of different stuff and i a;ways found it really offputting. The first thing to say about places like Cuba and Veneuela is what works imho, rather than a beautiful critique from start to end.

This is all about style not substance, but i think its very very important.

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Faced with such gangs, we can’t choose a chimerical “lesser evil” or an impossible “tactical alliance”, since doing so would mean abandoning that which is specific to and non-negotiable in the anarchist ideal.

for me this is minda the crux. Bearing in kind i probably agree 100% with thr author, i think this is dodgy lanuage. Bollocks to what is non negotiable in the anarchist ideal. Bollocks to ideals. We aren't into this cos its a beautiful ideal and appeals to our spirituality, we're into it cos everything else doesn't work. If stalinism/leninism actually worked, and people had slowly taken over in different leninist countries, i'd be an leninist. If social democracy actually worked and progressively the means of production were coming into mass control, i'd be a social democrat.

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A lot of trot groups try and outdo each other on how critical they can be of different stuff and i a;ways found it really offputting.

Actually, a lot of trot groups take a very soft 'Chavez is OK but the reforms aren't going quickly' enough position e.g. Globalise Resistance/SWP website:

http://www.resist.org.uk/reports/archive/wsf2006/index.php

It's our anarchist comrades IN VENEZUELA who are making these harsher criticisms. They are attempting to oppose the crude anti-imperialist leftist position, and they should be supported by libertarians abroad.

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It's not a question of "purity". The IWW constitution put it plainly enough in 1905 the employing class and the exploited class have nothing in common. Chavez is managing Venezuelan national capital. How can he do that in a context of world economic crisis without trying to cut labour costs, without raising the level of exploitation? And what can the working class do except defend its class interests, which are opposed to those of the national capital?

On the 'who will you vote for' thread we had anarchist arguments for taking part in bourgeois elections. On this thread we've had anarchist arguments for supporting nationalisations and state-imposed 'popular democracy' and defending the 'nation' in case of attack by US imperialism. Little Brother is quite right to protest about this, because some anarchists at least are trying to preserve some basic proletarian principles against all this.

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no.

I don't think your understanding the main thrust of this at all, nobody is calling for support of Chavez; this is all what you call for instead and how you do it. Its about emphasis.

(LB - i know a lot of trots are pro chavez, but it is also a much longer tradition to be super critical of everything, so by default their group is best cos it can identify where everyone else is going wrong)

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(LB - i know a lot of trots are pro chavez, but it is also a much longer tradition to be super critical of everything, so by default their group is best cos it can identify where everyone else is going wrong)

I dunno trot groups love being sychophantic cheerleaders for 3rd world leftie leaders/trade union bureaucrats, etc...

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(look it really depends - AWL frinstance criticise everybody and everything, and expect that to attract people to them)

John can i ask your opnion of the article?

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The issue is not about purity. It is about not jumping onto every leftist band wagon that goes past. It is about workers struggle against all capitalists.

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I'd follow the example of the comrades in Venezuela. They attack Chavez, we act in solidarity with them. The trots just spend their whole time trying to find sides to support, forgetting that the side we are supposed to be on is the working class.

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Tacks wrote:
I don't think your understanding the main thrust of this at all, nobody is calling for support of Chavez; this is all what you call for instead and how you do it. Its about emphasis.

This blog gathers together some interesting stuff in the run-up to the Alternative Social Forum in Caracas in January, supported by CRA:

http://shiftshapers.gnn.tv/blogs/10637/

Venezuela_Anarchists_and_the_Caracas_Alternative_

Social_Forum_January_2006

The last (longish) article in the blog makes a strong case that the rise of Chavez' regime (which supported the WSF financially it appears),

has helped to paralyse social movements:

"It is in the imposition of organizational models directed by a single hand and in the dismantling of citizen’s initiatives that preceded it that one finds the key to understand the current fragmentation of the social movements in Venezuela."

It is clearly stated that the government has destroyed autonomy by its strengthening of state control as you expect any authoritarian marxist party to do.

So in terms of want to do and how to do it, we should support our Venezuelan comrades politically and materially and by fighting capitalism and state repression at home. In this case they are appealing to the anarchist movement not to shy away from opposing Bolivarian models in the strongest terms.