ex-BNP member in largest explosives haul ever charges
Oct 8 2006 09:50
Have you seen this?
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The 22 chemical components recovered by police are believed to be the largest haul ever found at a house in this country. Cottage is an ex-BNP member who stood as a candidate in the Pendle Council elections in May ... a search of Jackson's home had uncovered rocket launchers, chemicals, BNP literature and a nuclear biological suit.
virtually unreported, except in the local press and the socialist worker. hmmm, right-wing extremists plotting terror attacks and a huge bomb-chemicals find and rocket launchers completely blacked out of the news - it's all a bit strategy of tension for my liking ... 
Admin - link edited to a libcom-approved one ;)- then split from "attacks on muslims thread"
Oct 8 2006 10:27
#2
The (ex)BNP bomb makers are worrying, the rocket launcher even more so. But what really scares the shit out of me is the fact that one of these dodgy bastards is a dentist. I remember watching Dustin Hoffman in Marathon Man when I was younger and it totally freaked me out.
Is it safe?
Oct 8 2006 10:39
#3
now i read my chomsky years ago, but i'm still amazed by the non-coverage of this in the media given the shitstorm everytime the police fail to find bombs, chemicals, rocket launchers or in fact anything in a later-to-be-released-without-charge brown person's house.
Oct 8 2006 10:48
#4
The fact that the police are so keen to point out that they do not believe that these people are terrorists speaks volumes (what are they then, a black market demolition firm?). Maybe they really had no intention of using the weapons, maybe the intention was to plant them somewhere that would implement another group, but that would still qualify as a terrorist offense under new laws. One thing's for sure though, we need to shout very loudly about this case. Any ideas about how to raise its profile?
Oct 8 2006 10:55
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Any ideas about how to raise its profile?
so far none that don't involve explosives 
i mean doesn't this blow the whole war on terror bullshit out of the water? like you say, with the current definition of terrorist, and the fact some guys are on trial now for possessing fertiliser to send to kashmir, there's no doubt that 'terrorist' is simply 'enemy of the state', white supremacists can have all the munitons they like 
i mean it seems unlikely that they're some kind of gladio secret army/false flag attackers or something, but the non-coverage suggests a d-notice which suggests soemthing to hide :?
Oct 8 2006 11:22
#6
There's been absolutely no news since the 6th October. The raid was Thursday 28th September which would miss the deadlines for all those local papers. It's possible they either 1. weren't served a D-notice until after going to press or at all, 2. ignored it/bypassed it.
Does seem very odd.
If you wanted to be really generous you could say there's a chance that the dentist has gone supergrass, offered intelligence to hand up suppliers etc. and it'll be a big splash some time next week.
Oct 8 2006 11:29
#7
yeah we'll see, but i'm betting it disappears. d-notices are 'voluntary', but local newspaper editors' careers probably stagnate fairly quickly after ignoring one
Oct 8 2006 11:38
#8
There was some speculation in the winter when Tony Lecomber got kicked out of the BNP for approaching Joey Owens with a proposition for assassination plots that there was some spook stuff going on. Any D notice could be connected to that I guess, or more probably just a quiet word in the ear from MI5 to newspaper editors and whathaveyou.
It does seem nuts that this hasn't had any press play at all. I can understand the media downplaying it in the way that US networks have downplayed similar far right stuff over there, but completely ignoring it looks pretty suspicious.
(BTW - No one commented when I posted this story up on Friday - you all hate me don't you, it's a plot!)
Oct 8 2006 13:10
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Joseph K. wrote:
yeah we'll see, but i'm betting it disappears. d-notices are 'voluntary', but local newspaper editors' careers probably stagnate fairly quickly after ignoring one
Yeah I don't see it, unless there's some kind of weird muslim/middle eastern connection like with the BNP's printers.
I didn't realise d-notices were voluntary, must have got them confused with the court thing.
Oct 8 2006 18:41
#10
ticking_fool wrote:
(BTW - No one commented when I posted this story up on Friday - you all hate me don't you, it's a plot!)
i remember! but i posted this on the 'attacks on muslims' thread and catch split it here. unfortunately a voluntary agreement to protect national security prevents me reporting on my alledged hate for you 
another way to see it is you were tragically ahead of your time 
Oct 8 2006 20:43
#11
oops! missed that one:
http://libcom.org/forums/news/ex-bnp-member-explosives-charges
Oct 9 2006 11:02
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it's all a bit strategy of tension for my liking ...
in what sense? Are you suggesting that its a state smear against the BNP in order to discredit them or that the state is involved in procurring weapons for these two in order to escalate tensions in the area, if the latter why have they been prevented from carrying out any attack?
Oct 9 2006 11:08
#13
nah more the far right having a massive arms cache at the height of the war on terror and it going unreported, makes me think d-notice which makes me think 'what's the connection to the (secret) state?'. we don't know much, so it's all speculative really, just stuck me as not quite right, even with the free press' usually servile performance.
Oct 9 2006 11:20
#14
ticking_fool wrote:
There was some speculation in the winter when Tony Lecomber got kicked out of the BNP for approaching Joey Owens with a proposition for assassination plots that there was some spook stuff going on. Any D notice could be connected to that I guess, or more probably just a quiet word in the ear from MI5 to newspaper editors and whathaveyou.
Someones been reading their NFB. http://www.borderland.co.uk/
Oct 9 2006 14:48
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Someones been reading their NFB. http://www.borderland.co.uk/
But, of course. How else would I make myself ridiculously paranoid without the aid of narcotics? It was all over indymedia as well though (put there by the NFB team), which is where I remembered it from. http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/manchester/2006/07/345329.html
Oct 9 2006 14:51
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ticking_fool wrote:
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Someones been reading their NFB. http://www.borderland.co.uk/But, of course. How else would I make myself ridiculously paranoid without the aid of narcotics?
Oct 10 2006 11:52
#17
Urbanite activist kyser_soze emailed the a google news results page URL to everyone on this list about earlier today, and got this reply from John Snow:
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Originally Posted by Jon Snow
Soze we have dispatched our Northern correspondent nick martin to investigate further in Burnley..thanks for drawing it to my attention. Best wishes, jon snow
Rachel North from London reports that the
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"BBC say they just missed it, but will pick up on Oct 23 court case." and that The Sunday Times have now picked it up.
Oct 10 2006 12:03
#18
well, we'll see i suppose ...
Oct 10 2006 12:08
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Oct 10 2006 12:16
#20
yeah i know but it's more of a mouthful, but i suppose it's time i dragged my terminology into the 21st century, damn those bourgeois lackeys!
the alternative to there being a da-notice is that journos on the most part don't get to leave the desk (the local paper has apparently stopped sending reporters out, and just sends photographers now), or if they are allowed out they're lazy and/or overworked and too busy unless a cop emails them a press release - which is still interesting if the cops didn't publicise this record bomb-chemicals seizure like they did when they discovered castor oil (sorry, ricin precursors).
Oct 11 2006 08:27
#21
Can I just point out this guy is NOT an ex-BNP member but is still a member.
BNP membership runs for the calendar year Jan-Dec - thus as he had to be a member when he stood in the elections in May, he must be a member now.
Oct 11 2006 09:18
#22
Made it onto Blink:
http://www.blink.org.uk/pdescription.asp?key=12850&grp=66&cat=330
Just realised we haven't officially covered it ourselves 
- anyone fancy writing up, or I might a bit later...
just e-mailed medialens.
Oct 11 2006 09:58
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Can I just point out this guy is NOT an ex-BNP member but is still a member
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Just realised we haven't officially covered it ourselves
shouldnt we try and make the most of this scoop?
Oct 11 2006 10:04
#24
i'm hectic at work atm, (which is why i'm posting here, obviously ), or i'd write it up. i might be able to do it this afternoon if someone hasn't already - go on, it's easy, just re-write existing coverage in your own words adding in the fact he must be a current (not ex-) BNP member, and leaving out any irrelevant titbits ...
Oct 11 2006 10:07
#25
at work too mate, so can only type sporadically! Sustained typing is frowned upon.
Oct 11 2006 10:14
#26
i
know
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feeling
Oct 11 2006 11:27
#27
PaulMarsh wrote:
Can I just point out this guy is NOT an ex-BNP member but is still a member.BNP membership runs for the calendar year Jan-Dec - thus as he had to be a member when he stood in the elections in May, he must be a member now.
kinell!
Oct 11 2006 14:05
#28
Of course the other interesting question is why the few papers covering this story are describing him as an ex-member.
I assume the two likely sources for this are:
1. The BNP themselves
2. The police
You can understand why the BNP would wish to say this, but the cops?
Oct 11 2006 14:22
#29
PaulMarsh wrote:
Of course the other interesting question is why the few papers covering this story are describing him as an ex-member.I assume the two likely sources for this are:
1. The BNP themselves
2. The policeYou can understand why the BNP would wish to say this, but the cops?
Yeah I thought about this. I reckon it's #1 - they did an interview with them and were told "oh no, he's not a member any more", or ex-candidate got conflated with ex-member.
If no-one else has started I'll have a go at this now. Alright if I quote you Paul?
Oct 11 2006 15:12
#30
Yes go on then.......
I've seen it. Not seen much about it though anywhere.
More here:
http://mathaba.net/news/?x=544131
http://www.burnleycitizen.co.uk/news/newsheadlines/display.var.947927.0.exbnp_man_held_in_bomb_swoop.php
http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=420965
But fuck not a lot: google news
Nelson - we've got some posters from there although not seen them lately.