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Oct 22 2016 19:31
Call from Organizing Committee of CNT-AIT Re-structuring Congress

In light of all the turmoil, I see that the CNT-AIT is restructuring a CNT that is adhered to the AIT/IWA

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https://levantecntait.wordpress.com/2016/10/22/llamamiento-congreso-cnta...

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Oct 22 2016 19:33

My auto-correct made a change in my intro comment. Should read:

In light of all the turmoil, I see that the CNT-AIT is restricting a CNT that is adhered to the AIT/IWA ...

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Oct 22 2016 23:35

For those who aren't aware, this is the group in Spain calling for a restructuring process and a rupture with the "yellow CNT".

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Oct 23 2016 00:09

Well, one could look at it the opposite way as well. But you're invested, I know.

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Oct 23 2016 01:39

I think it's a pretty objective description, no?

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The following types of groups, organizations or individuals will be accredited:

– Delegates from the syndicates who have manifested their intention of participating and who have publicly detached themselves from the agreements of the “yellow CNT”.

– It will be possible to accredite members of the Secretariat of the AIT and the secretaries of the sections standing against the parallel refoundation of the AIT.

– Accreditations may be issued to individuals or groups with the approval of the types of attendant above mentioned. Critical syndicates still adhered to the “yellow CNT” are included, as well as Commitees or anarchist coordinating organizations, duly supported.

– The Congress will be able to issue and accredite those who are not accredited.

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Oct 23 2016 15:15

That's how they feel. About as reflective of their views as the splitters

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Oct 23 2016 08:17

Personally, l wouldn't use the word "yellow" as it means something different for me. However when speaking to people in the CNT, l see they had a tradition of using the term another way. This semantic question aside, the purges in the CNT continue and expulsion threats have faced large unions as well as the smaller ones (although the larger ones seem not to get kicked out). The current CNT majority, which is quite slight, retains this position due to a policy of eliminating dozens of unions and that the project to usurp the lWA federation is also possible only with the elimination of the majority of the member sections.

None of this is any good, but these are the methods being used and widely justified by proponents of syndical integration.

When we think about the question of the ends justifying the means, we cannot even start to consider this if we lack an analysis of what "the ends" are. Unfortunately, proported "ends" are sometimes promoted to justify the means but do not really hold up under scrutiny. That's what we have here. l've already written enough about it elsewhere. Some people are perhaps dreaming of what they would like to see (ie. Mr. Twister) but what we will most likely have in the end is a long-term conflict inside CNT (the ones who want to refederate with other organizations outside the lWA - which has been full of conflict for the last 5-6 years), a conflict between those outside that CNT who maintain the CNT-AlT name, a conflict between the ones in CNT that maintain contacts with those people and those who demand they don't (something that already led to expulsions from CNT), a possible conflict between lWA Sections and the new federation if they pursue the legalization of the lWA as planned and other possible conflicts, ie if the new federation attracts some people from an organization but not all (possible further splits/tensions).

None of this is really about building solidarity or increasing the abilities of unions to do concrete activity. lf it were only about these things, there would have been no splits in the first place.

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Oct 23 2016 08:53

Can comrade twister confirm the IWW will be sending an observer to the Benissa conference?

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Oct 23 2016 09:21

Can we expect the IWA to recognise this as the real CNT?

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Oct 23 2016 11:30

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Can we expect the IWA to recognise this as the real CNT?

I would expect the IWA to recognise the CNTremain as the Spanish section of the IWA as opposed to the CNTexit. What else would the IWA do?

Whether the CNTremain is the 'real' CNT as opposed to the CNTexit depends on what you would define as real. In any event, they are two separate questions.

It seems pretty clear to me that there are two organisations in Spain claiming to be CNT, which is a shame but is symptomatic of deeper problems in the CNT itself, I would suggest. But only they can sort that out.

The upside is that we can pretty much safely presume the IWA will maintain a Spanish section in the foreseeable future.

As for Germany and Italy, I would expect there will be sections of the IWA in those countries in due course notwithstanding the exiters presumption to 're-found' the IWA.

Though it seems more likely the exiters will move closer the Red Black International position based on the current noise to signal ratio.

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Oct 23 2016 13:55
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The upside is that we can pretty much safely presume the IWA will maintain a Spanish section in the foreseeable future.

I think statement would be "safe" to say if you changed "maintain" to "have". Although, in this situation even "pretty much" is rather a statement of faith than anything else. I think such statements shouldn't be thrown around because we don't know what happens and only time will tell.

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Oct 23 2016 17:18

IWW would be nuts if they go to Benissa and not to Bilbao. Nothing rational can sort out of there. It's perfect for IWA

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Oct 23 2016 19:13

l agree with MT. We have to have our Congress and see what the Sections say. That said, since we have plenty of comrades in Spain, both caught in the "exit" faction and the expelled, and since there has always been a high degree of solidarity between them and the lWA Sections, l personally see no reason to change that just because there turned out to be people in CNT with other ambitions and values. So l personally would hope that some solution will be found so that those who want to be federated with the rest of us can be so.

As for Lugius's question, l actually don't think that international organizations outside the lWA are invited to Benissa. And the reason for that is quite simple: they are trying to put together something in a very difficult situation, especially considering that support also comes from unions inside the CNT. So there needs to be very serious discussion and deliberation, not observers who know nothing about the situation putting in their two cents. Some discussions really need to be done in a more concrete group of people directly involved.

Contrary to what this Salvochea says, the lWW would not be nuts to go there too, if they were invited, since it would at least provide them with direct information about what is going on and that information would be very different from what gets published here by the split faction. As it is now, one of the main problems in all the arguments has been the fact that people do not have enough information and, where they get information, it sometimes is heavily filtered or even censored.

Personally, l think that the label "nuts" is not appropriate here because the desire to go to Bilbao is more related to opportunism on the part of some and misguided hopes for more solidarity on the part of others. Can't blame those who have misguided hopes too much, although it can be problematic if appropriate discussion does not proceed such decisions.

However, l do think "nuts" may be OK to describe those who think that this whole affair is neutral and won't lead to further conflicts, including inside the CNT itself. Or stupid - perhaps stupid is a better categorization.

ln any case, as the issue is of concern to the lWA, as obviously the issue will be a big issue to discuss at the Congress, l think that people in the lWA first and foremost should get to know what is at this Congress and decide themselves if the positions there are rational or not. Keeping in mind of course that ideas of what is "rational" obviously seem to be very divergent.

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As for Lugius's question, l actually don't think that international organizations outside the lWA are invited to Benissa. And the reason for that is quite simple: they are trying to put together something in a very difficult situation, especially considering that support also comes from unions inside the CNT. So there needs to be very serious discussion and deliberation, not observers who know nothing about the situation putting in their two cents. Some discussions really need to be done in a more concrete group of people directly involved.

Yes, point taken. My original question was meant to draw attention to the attitude of the IWW.

It makes sense to me that the IWW would favour the exiters over the remainers on account of what they both have in common. Conversely, the exiters seem desperate for recognition in lieu of any credibility beyond 'We're the biggest and the best.'

Presumably, if the exiters can gain recognition from the IWW, it could support any legal claim made by the exiters of the use of the IWA in a court of law.

The arbitrary and unilateral action by the exiters to announce the 're-foundation' of the IWA is an action that is against every principle and practice of anarcho-syndicalism. This criticism is deflected by the charge made against the IWA that it is 'too ideological' unlike the IWW which is far more fluid eschewing even 'anarcho-syndicalism' as a descriptor.

The other commonality is a rejection of federation in favour of the general membership organisation which posits the rights of the individual of the collective. Whereas the IWW has never pretended to be a federation, the exiters have quite suddenly decided that they should have more power because they have more members despite agreeing to the principles of a federation of sections upon accession to the IWA.

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Oct 24 2016 18:52

l think what we have here is rather like the situation with weapons of mass destruction in lraq. There were none, but some people wanted to believe it, or needed to have this threat so they'd give credibility to anybody who went along with that.

As far as giving credibility to this or not, l think you are not going to get far trying to explain federal agreements to people who have never acted in such a federation. Seems to me that with some incorrect notions, people are making up their minds to call the splitters the lWA... which is actually pretty much a repeat of what happened when the 1st renovados broke the 1979 Congress agreements in Spain and split off and there are comrades on this forum who could say more to that, if they are reading. l suspect if they go that way it will end pretty much the same.

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Oct 27 2016 17:03

A post on alasbarricadas that gives some more information. This refers to the Coordinadora Obrera Anarquista which includes the CNT Levante along with some other unions that have either left or are still in the CNT and some smaller groups. The link within the post goes into more detail - the OP is in Catalan but most of the comments are in Spanish.

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En este hilo hacen un recuento de la influencia de la postura escisionista, y nombran la Coordinadora Obrera Anarquista, que es algo así como el "forismo" (de la FORA V Congreso) o el MOA (movimiento obrero anarquista, del Diego Abad de Santillán, postura que hubo dentro de la FAI en los años 20 y que fue derrotada)

http://barcelona.indymedia.org/newswire/display/507043/index.php

COA Almería
GDA Asturies
COA Barcelona
CNT Cádiz
COA Canarias
COA Cantabria
COA Cartagena
Unión Anarcosindicalista A Coruña
COA Guadix
Regional de Levante CNT-AIT
COA Lorca
Sindicato General de los Trabajadores de Lugo - CNT
Debate Anarquista (Madrid)
COA Murcia
COA Murcia - 2
Sindicato Resistencia Puenteareas
CNT Tarragona
CNT Vigo

Se puede ver que son los sindicatos de Galicia y Murcia principalmente, y luego grupitos pequeños (porque las COA no son sindicatos sino grupos que operan dentro de los sindicatos). De los "federados" únicamente Tarragona se van con los "desfederados" de Levante. El resto o no se pronuncian o no están de acuerdo con una escisión, que es lo que propone el congreso de Marina Alta. Hay nula incidencia en grandes territorios. Justo los del centro, que son los que vertebrarían esa posible nueva confederación.

Analizando su práctica e ideología, a mi parecer no están creando un sindicato (CNT) sino más bien un "partido anarcosindicalista" cuya función es operar en la política interna de CNT. Una vez que lo tengan hecha la confederación tengo serias dudas de que pasen de grupos de propaganda, dedicándose a lo que hace cualquier colectivo anarquista habitualmente sin tanta parafernalia y burocracia.

source

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Oct 27 2016 20:58

l wouldn't call that information by a long shot, especially as that Coordinadora is not the same thing as the other initiative. There is overlap though. And of course this more of the biased stuff you choose to share here all the time.

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Nov 25 2016 18:44

For me it has not been the best secretariat precisely, as a political commissar is worth a lot, has ensured that 90% of the membership of the AIT is not sure of wanting to remain of the AIT.

He speaks of suspending the FAU, when in the statutes of the AIT there is no figure of suspension, it is his invention.

He has used the quota money and the AIT charge to establish contacts with groups that are of his idea of ​​what the AIT should be, marginalizing the rest, there were large unions in Nigeria and Asia that were not allowed into The AIT.

It is dedicated to making games of thrones with sections of the AIT, judging and monitoring the FAU (I do not know if the nationalist and historical hatred in Poland against the Germans has something to do) with the CNT is dedicated to doubting Of the mandates sent by his secretary and to have contacts with people of dubious morality in Spain. (If they were expelled by majority decision of the CNT a few years ago was for something, not precisely nonsense) and lies manipulates and deceives using his figure as secretary of the AIT.

Interprets the agreements of others in a malicious way. for example:
CNT agreements for the AIT

It wants to leave the unions without votes: It is not true, it seems to us from an authoritarian organization that the minority sends about the majority, we want the same weight or at least an approximate weight in the decision for the members of CNT and for the rest Of sections. That is to say if my union has a thousand affiliates and yours five hundred and the one of there is 200, that there is an approximation in the decisive power. In this example and with the proportional system of votes, a proposal would bring forward three unions of 200 against one of 800. It seeks something proportional neither for the big ones to dictate nor for the small ones to dictate.

It wants to expel from the AIT unions of less than 100 people: Lie, in CNT there is the figure of confederal nucleus, are groups of up to 15 people have no vote but if voice. The goal is not to waste time on absurd discussions and use all your time and means to become a union as soon as possible. We want the same for AIT.For groups of less than 100 people. To the great majority of the unions of CNT have been confederal nucleus some time.

We want to introduce a kind of "erasmus", that people from other unions travel to different countries to learn and take advantage of the positive things of each union and apply them in their country. And bring positive things from your country to the unions they go to.

The CNT wants to have the power of the AIT, having more votes: lie, we propose the proportional system of votes that we use because it is fairer than the current system, with the F.O.R.A and two other unions already win us a vote. It is more if we wanted to control the AIT we opened up the secretary of the AIT and act as the current one, which we did not conceive from a libertarian perspective. It is more the proportional vote gives more votes proportionally to the unions smaller to not be crushed by the bigger, is the system that uses the CNT.

In short, the expulsion (there is no figure of spension in the statutes of the AIT) of the FAU has precipitated that we feel marginalized and reviled within the AIT added to the attitude of the current secretary makes us not sure of wanting to continue forming Part of the AIT as it works.

If these authoritarian attitudes persist morally as anarcho-syndicalists we can not be in an organization of that style and we will have to consider how to practice internationalism, something that we carry within our philosophy.

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Nov 25 2016 18:50

Another argument for the AIT sections to begin with a voice but no vote is that a small section doing organizational work within the AIT subtracts local or field work, and decisions in a small group go directly to the AIT without assessing the possibilities To carry it out (what is happening now with the working groups in the AIT, there are no people) and that is not a stupid one. At the CNT we also propose nonsense but this first happens through the filter of the regional meetings that can tell us hears that that is a stupid or in the state meetings, we go through three meetings before approving an agreement and in them the philosophy of the meetings Is, who proposes to do. So we do not leave agreements in the air that can not be done.

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Nov 25 2016 18:53

ups, no era ni el sitio ni el foro, pero ahi queda

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Nov 25 2016 19:38

Again, flipping out and imagining things. A union in Nigeria not allowed in lWA? No such thing. Nationalist hatred against Germans? Fucking shit, you are stretching. Keep going, l am collecting this shit.

Good luck with your new comrades! The ones who are cooperating with fascists are not welcome with us.

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Nov 25 2016 22:37
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marginalizing the rest, there were large unions in Nigeria and Asia that were not allowed into The AIT.

Comrade. Having been intimately involved with the Awareness League (AL) and activities in Asia, specifically the Bangladeshi National Garment Workers Federation (NGWF), from initial IWA contact (which actually came through our organization, the Workers Solidarity Alliance, WSA), I can say you have not idea what you are talking about The failure of the NGWF to adhere to the IWA/AIT was not due to anything the 1990s IWA Secretariats did or did not do. The NGWF, on its own, decided it did not want to affiliate (based on their own needs and politics).

The Nigerian AL was not even a union, but an association of up towards a 1000 adherents engaged in may activities. And who knows what their future at anarchosyndicalist union building might have been as they started to fall apart before that time.* My knowledge of this is up close and personal as I was in contact with the AL throughout. When the AL disbanded the IWA Secretariat was, I believe, in Spain.

It is clear to me that whatever your issues are with the current IWA, you seem to be blaming things on the current Secretariat they had nothing to do with. In fact, to blame any of the IWA Secretariats for the lack of success in Nigeria or Bangladesh is just false. Which in turn makes me wonder how accurate the other things you are saying might be.
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* "The Awareness League first of all, derived its lifeblood from the resistance against military rule in Nigeria. The continuation of military rule acted as a spore. It was one of the inclusions that continued to give oxygen to our existence then as Awareness League. It is on record that between the late 1980s and the late 1990s, Nigeria witnessed the toughest anti-military struggle. Awareness League joined forces with other anti-military groups in resisting military rule in Nigeria. It was in the process of coming into touch with a lot of anarcho-syndicalist groups around the world, in Europe and America , that I and my friend decided to intellectualise the the subject of anarchism by producing a book, which you very well know.

The struggle against military rule ended with the coming of civilian rule in 1999. I would say that the antagonism of not only the Awareness League but all the civil society, community-based groups, and leftist organizations in the country, virtually evaporated. Because the military was a uniting factor, I would say, in the sense that every person – whether you were anarchist, Marxist, leftist, socialist – saw in the military a common enemy to be resisted, to be opposed, to be overthrown if possible. With the coming of civilian government, we did not have that kind of common enemy any longer. Because some of the groups, some individuals from these groups, now started gravitating towards bourgeois politics. But let me say that for the most part, the problem was not individuals gravitating towards bourgeois politics, it was really that the civil society groups, the leftist groups and organizations, were not prepared for the consequences of [civilian] rule. We did not analyze in a serious sense what would be the consequences of the end of military rule and the coming of civilian rule, in the place of the military. We took it for granted that it would be business as usual. But as it happened, the end of military rule singularly signaled the end of most of these community-based, civil-society-based groups. Most of these groups, including the Awareness League, fragmented."
https://sammbah.wordpress.com/2012/08/12/the-awareness-league/
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Some WSA and the AL:
http://ideasandaction.info/2014/11/remembering-sam-mbah/
http://www.struggle.ws/africa/aware.html

IWA and NGWF:
http://www.ngwfbd.com/2016/08/a-visit-to-bangladesh.html

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Nov 25 2016 23:03

BTW, well before l had anything to do with the lWA, l actually supported the Awareness League (and syndicalist can vouch for) and l had some nice times personally with the last Samuel Mbah. And actually do contact with organizations in Asia, so, another really ridiculous set of accusations.

As for working groups etc., actually we had 2 proposed by CNT in the last few years with no members of CNT volunteering for the groups they proposed, so actually the participation of people from smaller sections in the lWA work has been the key to its functioning, even if far from the level that we'd like to have. Hopefully this will improve.

This is why the X Congress of my organization determined that it was neutral for us whether we are federated with you or not - because all the cooperation and work between workers here and there, or inside the lWA tended to come from the other sectors of CNT, not you.

Be happy with your new comrades and stop bothering us who want to work together.

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Nov 27 2016 13:25

I've not read this yet, but can figure that it's a critical perspective in this weekends "refoundation" Confetence

http://cia.media.pl/the_farse_in_barakaldo_0

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Nov 27 2016 15:07

At the last congress in zaragoza CNT, it was decided to establish contacts with international trade unions that are dissatisfied with how the AIT works and if the conditions formalize an international organization.

With great pity have been the attitudes of the AIT secretary since the Valencia congress, and the expulsion of the FAU (there is no figure of the suspension in the statutes of the AIT) using agreements that had already expired and not They had proposed meaning in their day (when they had sense) by the CNT, filled the organization of indignation and the result is what happens at the moment.

The meeting that has taken place is a contact to pass the concerns of the various international unions to the CNT and decide the unions that we are going to follow from now.

We will have to go to the AIT congress to explain everything and see the opinions and views of the trade unions that are in the AIT, so that all the unions of CNT have all the necessary data to make good decisions.

I invite all trade unions of the AIT to reflect on the direction that the AIT is taking and how to act internationalemnet to be able to return to being the germ of a mass revolutionary movement, not of leaders or groups that do not want implantation, only to have Its bar where no one else can enter.

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Nov 27 2016 15:57

Why go when you chose to abandon the IWA in favor of a declared split?
Your internal tactics should reflect your principles. Seemingly you want to pick and chose
that's an embarrassment. And I think those who have been at the heart if alls these machinations
have done anarchosyndicalism a real dis-service.

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Nov 27 2016 17:03

Because it is the duty of the CNT to explain why their positions and not leave room for malicious interpretations, is common sense.

For the moment contacts are established if the AIT does not move tab to converge breaking with authoritarianism, the unions choose a calendar and the ways to be able to continue practicing internationalimo outside the AIT.

The majority opinion of CNT if the AIT does not take steps for the understanding is to break with the way the AIT has worked, to break with the acronyms and to establish an international agreement that has nothing to do with the AIT.

We want anarcho-syndicalism to regain its power to become a revolutionary option in the medium term.

This is not achieved with eternal debates that do not lead to any side, neither intrigues nor gossip worthy of the pink press, but analyzing and working hard outside our premises and our comfort zone.

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Nov 27 2016 17:38

You called for a split ahead of a Congress. You organized a split meeting with non-IWA organizations. Basically saying you don't care for historical norms and proceeders.

When we fought for a rebirth for the IWA in the 1970s, we fought for an organization based on principle, on internal procedure that would be respected and collective collaboration.

I am not in the IWA at this time and have my own history here. But using methods outside of the
past agreed upon procedures in trying to resolve issues does not serve the IWA well or your alleged reform cause any good.

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Nov 27 2016 18:59

He understands that affiliates to the CNT who see how the FAU is expelled, insults the U.S.I is doubtful, criticized, insults and lies about the CNT.

What do you want us to do? That we are in a place where we are not loved? That we have to go and that we do not practice internationalist principles?

As an organization, we know how to fight against authoritarian movements, but we are not prepared to foster such an authoritarian organization, where the rest of the AIT unions do not stand apart from exceptions.

We will have to explain to the other unions of the AIT face to face because we make these decisions and ask them to take positions and tell us what they think.

So we will have the different points of view to see what we do finally.

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Nov 27 2016 19:22

My friend and comrade... the CNT-AIT is no historical innocent when it comes to internal IWA matters. It has had its fair share of internal (and often negative) IWA interventions.

That said, you have these discussions behind close doors and within the confines of the IWA.
If that does not succeed, you choose other paths, not the opposite way round.

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Nov 27 2016 20:01

Sure before the 90 there was much garbage also inside the CNT, which was light and guide of the AIT at that time.

The CNT was guided by schemes similar to those moved by some groups of the AIT today. But it has never acted in an authoritarian way like the one that now acts the secretary of the AIT.

From the 90's we have been opening doors and windows to bring fresh air and light. That is not happening within the AIT, but it is never too late for us to correct the road together.

I do not think all the sections of the IWA think that we have the doors closed in the AIT, on the contrary wanting that we continue working together.

Two links that give brushstrokes of the evolution of the CNT and the AIT.

http://noticiasayr.blogspot.com.es/2016/11/la-crisis-de-la-ait-desde-la....

http://noticiasayr.blogspot.com.es/2016/11/la-crisis-de-la-ait-desde-la_...