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Mark.
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Oct 27 2017 14:19

Independence declared:

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/923905074325155840

Senate in Madrid votes for article 155 and direct rule:

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/923915441197678592

Mark.
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Oct 27 2017 19:24

Translation of the statement from CGT, CNT and Solidaridad Obrera:

https://enoughisenough14.org/2017/10/26/joint-statement-by-cgt-solidaridad-obrera-cnt-about-the-situation-in-catalonia/amp/

Thread from Enough is Enough!

https://mobile.twitter.com/enough14/status/923637451037528065

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Oct 27 2017 21:41

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Oct 28 2017 09:15

It's like banging the head against a wall. Catalans have won a Referendum, not because of catalan nationalism intelligence but thanks to spanish nationalism stupidity and failures. All the polls of 2000's stated that catalan national sentiment only appealed to 15-20%. However after the economic crisis this sentiment was overcome by dissatisfaction towards spanish state. That included many people from a leftist background. Nowadays this Catalan republic seems a logical continuation of spanish republic of 30's. The translation of this has been the breaking of a sector of Comuns, supporting the new republic (Podem deputies have voted for independence while post-communists like Coscubiela and postmodern marxists/autonomous like Colau are against it). In fact, I saw many Spanish republican flags among the crowd celebrating and toasting for the republic sake.

All this stuff is obviously symbolic. I don't think catalan politicians had ever imagined to arrive at this point. Now they cannot control their territory. But this is a 'interesting time to live in' as there are two legalities fighting each other. In fact, there's a new sense of anti-oligarchy on the air, as 1) big companies and banks (=big bourgeoisie) have abandoned Catalonia, 2) fascist/spanish nationalist demonstrations usually start in upper Barcelona, the wealthiest area. 3) all the catalan political spectrum has moved to the left, leaving the center-right party in minority. 4) A constituent process is on the mouth of many. 5) the first catalan laws suspended by the spanish govt are those social ones, like the one that forbids evictions, or tax the rich inheritance rights, or creates a basic income, etc. 6) Unions are more aware of the repression of the spanish state than of the existence of a country unable to impose any coercive measure.

Libertarian socialism is quite far from now. But it is interesting to live a situation like this, with everyone discussing about politics, open to new ideas. Spain might win, but with 3 million of disaffected people.

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Oct 28 2017 08:56

LOL!

Btw., have you noticed the paragraph in the statement of the cgt, so and cnt where they make an interesting newspeak twist saying that by self-determination they mean, of course, the working class power. Can this get even more sleazy and opportunist?

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Oct 28 2017 09:10

Well, that statement comes from the anarchosyndicalist structures/committees in Madrid. In the spanish state not many people in the left understand catalans. Only basque independentists and other people as well as other spanish anarchists are proposing a realist way out, which is the end of monarchy and the federal republic. Working class power... difficult. We can only increase our social base, nothing more.

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Oct 28 2017 12:45
MT wrote:
have you noticed the paragraph in the statement of the cgt, so and cnt where they make an interesting newspeak twist saying that by self-determination they mean, of course, the working class power. Can this get even more sleazy and opportunist?

Probably.

Salvochea wrote:
Working class power... difficult. We can only increase our social base, nothing more.

Apparently, by any compromises necessary with bourgeois ideology;

CNT&co wrote:
we do not understand the right to self-determination in a statist way, as nationalist parties and organizations proclaim, but as the right to self-organization of our class in a given territory. Thus understood, self-determination passes more by control of production and consumption by workers and by direct democracy from the bottom up, organized according to federalist principles, than by the establishment of a new frontier or the creation of a new state.

CNT statements continue to avoid criticising Catalan nationalism but instead portray it as an opportune gateway to greater working class power. This bureaucratic stupidity never learns from its own mistakes. What next, a statement like this defending a new 'self-determined' Catalan state?

CNT wrote:
"At the present time, the government, as the instrument that controls the organs of the state, has ceased to be a force of oppression against the working class, just as the state no longer represents a body that divides society into classes. And both will oppress people less now that the CNT has intervened." (Soldaridad Obrera, 4 Nov 1936)

First time as tragedy, second time as farce?

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Oct 30 2017 21:35

https://www.thelocal.es/20171030/deposed-catalan-president-carles-puigdemont-is-apparently-already-in-belgium

http://news.sky.com/story/asylum-for-carles-puigdemont-in-belgium-not-unrealistic-11104132

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5030789/Carles-Puigdemont-posts-image-inside-Catalonia-parliament.html
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20171031_07/

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Oct 31 2017 15:41

Poll showing support for independence at 48.7%, opposition to independence at 43.6%, don’t knows/won’t says at 7.8%:

http://www.publico.es/politica/directo-catalunya-puigdemont-belgica.html

Predicted results for elections on the 21 December:

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JxSí ganaría las elecciones al Parlament con entre 60 y 63 diputados, Cs sería la segunda fuerza con entre 25 y 26 diputados, y le seguirían el PSC (17-19), SíQueEsPot (12-14), el PP (10-11) y la CUP (8-9), según la estimación de voto de una encuesta del Centre d'Estudis de Opinió de la Generalitat (CEO).

There are 135 deputies so on these figures the independentistas (JxSí and CUP) would get a narrow majority. Presumably this would be seen as an endorsement of the result of the referendum.

Another report on the same poll:

http://www.eldiario.es/catalunya/politica/independentismo-volveria-elecciones-CIS-catalan_0_703080186.html

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Oct 31 2017 22:34

I think the irony is lost on them:

Ragnar
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Oct 31 2017 23:24

http://www.portaloaca.com/articulos/politica/13217-sobre-la-situacion-en-catalunya.html

Mark.
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Nov 1 2017 11:36

From Enough is Enough!

So… Catalonia is Independent Now?

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Nov 8 2017 10:00

Another general strike today:

Amplio apoyo social a la huelga general del 8-N a pesar de que CCOO y UGT no convocan

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Nov 8 2017 11:32

Guardia Civil stop CNT banner drop at the port of Barcelona:

https://mobile.twitter.com/PortuariosCNT/status/928190555636592640

https://mobile.twitter.com/CNT_Barcelona/status/928205448544686080

https://mobile.twitter.com/oscarmartinezco/status/928195758876176384/photo/1

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Nov 8 2017 12:06

Catalan cops in riot gear clearing blockades: https://twitter.com/enough14/status/928184712677478400

Mark.
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Nov 8 2017 19:44

Article on the CDRs, the committees for the defence of the referendum/republic:

Defensa popular del 1-O y la República

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Nov 12 2017 08:41

Interesting how the article manages to say nothing (or next to nothing) about the CUP origins of the CDRs, and the fact that the CUP are still, as of today, backing "the legitimate government (and President) of Catalonia"… you know, the one that got its main shred of support from a Belgian justice minister that belongs to a xenophobic, right-wing party …

… while at the same time writing off virtually everyone on the non-independence spectrum as "fascists" (of which there are no doubt quite a few)

(Libertarian?) politics as usual… sigh…

All kneel before the idol of self-organization!

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Nov 12 2017 10:54

Tot el poder als CDR!
http://ariet.cat/tot-el-poder-als-cdr/

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Nov 12 2017 11:07

Confederalismo ibérico, una propuesta actual hacia la autogestión
https://elsaltodiario.com/laplaza/confederalismo-iberico-una-propuesta-actual-hacia-la-autogestion

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Nov 13 2017 09:39

Currently in Catalunya, in Girona. seen some of the mobilisations recently and also judging by posters/ stickers on streets all social contestation has been completely drowned by Catalan nationalism.