Child porn teacher gets 200 years

o h for fucksake madashell this sentence is a fucking joke, is looking at child porn as bad as actually raping kids? Is it worse than rape, is it worse than murder? No of course it fucking isn't, the only think pushing forward such a crazy sentencing policy is the idea that paedophiles are some sort of monsters seperate from the rest of society.

What a fucking ridiculous sentence, what next looking at pictures of murders gets you more time than actually committing them?

If this guy is paying for images of child abuse, then he's paying for somebody else to abuse children on his behalf, it's easily as bad as raping a child.

And it often starts with looking at pictures, doesn't it?

That's assuming that the people who're doing the raping are doing it for cash, not for some sort of sick satisfaction. The kids he had pictures of would have been abused irrespective of him looking at them.

a warning sign that gets you 200 years in jail? come on to fuck, the guy should be getting conseulling.

If he poses a danger to kids, he shouldn't be just be out going whereever the hell he likes. Jail might not be the place for him, but neither is a school for fucks sake!

Well suggesting that counselling alone is likely to be anywhere near adequate is not exactly sensible.

Well exactly what do you suggest then? All I'm saying is that in the here and now, I'd rather see this guy locked away than out, and since those are the only two likely options under capitalism...

That's not what I said. The "other options" you're talking about usually involve pitifully innappropriate levels of supervision and do basically mean that he'd be free to go wherever he likes. It's not just a question of them not being comprehensive enough so much as dangerously underresourced.

Hah!!

Well obv. JK posted this cos of the ultralong sentence to provoke controversy but the link is pretty explanatory - Arizona is the toughest state on child protection issues (the guy picked the wrong state to be a perv in - hah!! ) and clearly the sentencing guidlines meet the strictures of the Arizona Penal Code. It is not uncommon in many US states for sentences to be this extreme and personally when it comes to paedophiles i would much rather take this route than the pathetic route we take in the UK- which is pretty much of doing nothin.

I am with Madas on all his comments. And neither he nor i are saying these things out of some kind of right of centre morality but simply because isolating paedos from their victims and potential victims is clearly the only right and proper course of action. All Arizona are doing are showing themselves to be taking this to the nth degree.

Oh dear jimmer and JK..you are questioning whether these pictures are of children being abused - but this is child porn so whatever the nature of the pics the taking and viewing of them is in and of itself an abusive act.

Of course there are degrees of abuse and i am pretty sure the sentencing guidelines would have taken this into account - the odds are good that these pics exist at the sickest end of a sick spectrum and i should think this and the guys profession justified this long sentence. Courts do this to send a message and whilst i don't agree with this policy per se - not a big fan of scapegoating particular individuals - it is hard to shed too many tears in this kinda case - as you all acknowledge.

Oh dear jimmer and JK and revol the dodgy idea that viewing of these pics is not as bad as committing the acts and the children would be abused anyway so the pics are not such a big deal...just not true and a common excuse of paedos - well i was just looking, just curious etc - bullshit!!!!

Paedophilia and the promulgation and selling of images of abuse form a chain of responsibility - everyone is responsible - the abusers, those who take the images, those who distribute them ,those who purchase them, those who pass them on to others., those who make profits from hosting child porn sites and turn a blind eye - all of them. Where is your knowledge of supply and demand?? Has it just disappeared because it is an emotive subject? No these images are provided because there is a market for them. Would some people still abuse children if there wasn't profit in it yet?? Yes. But the profit motive condemns more children to this hideous fate and adds to the pain of the child in knowing others paid to view the images of them being abused as well as having to have the original abuses foist on them in the first place. .

Revol seems to acknowledge paedos do not exist out of isolation of a society and are part of it and a creation of it and i totally agree - as my above para demonstrates plenty of people are aware of what goes on and profit from it to some degree which is just as reprehensible - even tho that prolly wasn't revols point!!! obv if we are looking at the long term solutions to the problem this will involve the destruction of capital and the concomitant collapse of patriarchy.

The post rev. society will involve us having more personal responsibility as well as more personal freedom as these are concomitants. We can start by physically isolating paedos from their victims for as long as necessary (which may well be until the end of their natural years - most paedos don't want help or counselling ta very much - they just want access to children. Their worldview is that they are right and the rest of the world is wrong - read an interview with one and it is wringing with self--pity and persecutory outlooks. There ARE a minority who DO want to change their ways and this should be celebrated but this only occurs in a minority of cases sad to say. ). We need to look at all the factors that create and produce paedos and paedo mindsets and we also have to isolate and challenge those others involved and the "innocent" bystanders.

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LW X

Gotta side with LWX on this one, my mama has had some dealings with such men thru her social services work, and she says the only thing most of em learn at counselling is how to convince a counsellor that they should be let off the chain. They don't see wrong in their ways, and generally build their lives around gaining access to children via boyscouts, religion, or finding a single mother desparate for childcare to gain the trust of. Its harsh, but so is spreading that disease through more assaults, so I think these guys should be castrated to prevent that. Only this way might a society begin to rid itself of the acculmulated generational damage that these guys do. Picture a chronological pyramid getting bigger every year. On the other hand, it would really suck to get badjacketed as a nonce by state enemies, or set up by nasty civilians, and get cstrated and incarcerated.

Not really the issue. Of course the state is arbitrary and capricious when and why handing down criminal sentencing. The fact is that pedophilia isn't curable and has a 100% recidivism rate. Significant percentages of victims go on to become victimizers themselves thus perpetuating and expanding the cycle of abuse. Pedophiles should be put down humanely like rabid dogs. I'm not going to worry about monsters being treated badly by the state when there are better things to worry about.

fuck off dipshit, do you think it's genetic or something? Secondly since when did desire equal act (outside of the anarcho punk crimethinc you used to live in)? Are you saying that possesion of such photos should lead to execution? I mean asides from the sweeping horrendous power this gives to the state (remember your fella from Massive Attack got 'investigated' in relation to child porn as soon as he opened his mouth against the Iraq war, sure all they'd have to do is plant a wee folder on a PC not exactly hard) it's a barbourous opinion barely better than people who rape kids.

Anyway sure keep pimping out the same old hardline shite that does nothing to deal with the problem. Actually does anyone remember the big sting operation they had a few years ago based on credit card details? Well a few months later it turned out that many of the details were also placed on over 18 porn sites but that the web company involved had handled paedo porn too, how many lives and reputations were completely ruined by that lil witch hunt?

And ofcourse this is all before we even start to look into how paedophilia works, do they tend to look for positions of power over children or does the sexualisation of children come after this? Ah sure who cares, just kill them all.

And btw lone wolf i'm shocked that someone who prides themselves on empathy and all the rest of your conseullor crap is such a reactionary prick on this issue, so the next time you come acting the right on school conseullor shove it up your arse.

and Lonewolf if you really can't distinguish the differance between that teacher having pictures and say him abusing his pupils then you are a muppet of the highest order, infact half your analysis seems to be pulled out of MacKinnons arsehole.

A teacher pulled a kid’s trousers down and smacked their bare arse with a slipper in front of the other children in the class. This happened every day. The ‘good’ children in the class were good because they lived in absolute fear of that ever happening to them. The ‘bad’ children in the class are habituated to it, it happened to them everyday. The father of the child stormed into the class and demanded to know what was going on, the teacher calmly called the child over, ‘Do I hit you?” ‘No,’ the child lied. The teacher smiles. Twenty five years later, the grown up child talks of this incident to its father, the father remembers and says, ‘Oh yes, you bottled it. You should have told the truth.’

Beatings were a common extension of legitimate ‘smacking’ in schools even twenty five years ago, they were an exacerbation of an already existing, established relation.

It is not easy to identify what is wrong when it becomes normal but anyone who looks after children is duty bound to get their priorities in order. Statistically, cars are the real killers of children, and yet it is almost impossible to take seriously as a threat a stream of metal lumps rushing past kids at thirty of forty mph perhaps only four or five feet away. Last September it became law for all children under a specified weight to sit on a booster seat in cars. In another field, because fifty kids a year die of a particular pneumoccal strain of meningitis, another vaccine has been introduced at around twenty quid a shot. These seemingly random issues indicate how the involvement of governmental structures and commercial interests through the ideology of 'child protection' produce a weird distortion of actual threat and actual good health.

We have been taught in our capacity to evaluate power relations to judge threats through a criteria of ‘intent’. If we buy a Gap shirt made by children in Bangladesh, this is not a criminal act because we do not intend harm, we just want a shirt. If we knock a child down in our car, this is not a crime, the child just ran out into the road. But we identify sexual exploitation of children as criminal because it is perceived that there is an ‘intent’ on the part of the abuser. Objectively threats and exploitation are sorted according to what is natural or unavoidable on the one side and that which is perverse or excessive on the other.

It is difficult to know why the only mention of children on Libcom revolves around sexual abuse. It could be that by analysing the systems by which child abuse is circulated we get to understand the hidden pressures we all experience in all areas of our lives. Perhaps as a society we focus on this particular figure of exploitation because exploitation and power is otherwise so difficult to isolate, because we ordinarily flow with it.

Yesterday, it was proposed that an 8 year old child should be taken into care because it weighs 14 stone, and 18 kids in Iraq were killed by a bomb whilst playing football. Last week a UN report claimed children in the UK and America were the most miserable in the advanced capitalist world. Sexual abuse of children only makes sense if it is situated within a general critique of personal misery.

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