Egypt - Reaction to Morsi and MB seizure of power

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Khawaga - could you point me towards reading that would explain more about how the MB has its cadres organized?

You know what, it's been such a long time ago since I was studying these things that I can't remember exactly. It may have been in some of Oliver Roy's work (e.g. the Failure of Political Islam), but could also be a specific article from some journal I can't remember. I do remember, however, that the reason the MB took such a shape was because very early on islamists, while in universities, would brush shoulders with leftists organizations. Not only did organizational structures rub off, but also a lot of the terminology. If I remember correctly, there was no word/concept of "revolution" (as we understand it) in Arabic until quite recently (whether that is the case for "al thawra", what I know as revolution, I do not know). Indeed, the islamists apparently invented a whole vocabulary based off the Marxist-Leninist dictionary. So sorry, not much help there. But I think a decent social history of the MB should cover it.

What Entdinglichung said and what's on that wikipedia page chimes with what I remember from researching political islam during my undergrad and while living in Egypt.

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Aug 9 2013 22:53

Statement of principles from the Libertarian Socialists:

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The Libertarian Socialist Movement organizes anarcho-communists who believe in class struggle as a way to overthrow capitalism and oppressive state power. The LSM adopts the aspirations and demands of the working classes, industrial workers, small farmers, wage earners, proletarians, and anyone who does not have ownership over the power of his work and sells it without control to the production process.

We believe in the practice of direct democracy in neighborhood assemblies and communes and in the boards of commissioners of cities and provinces on the basis of mandated temporary powers, not authorized decision making powers, but within the framework of decisions taken in advance in the neighborhood assemblies and communes.

We are against the capitalist ownership of the means of production, and against all forms of paid work, we strive for the development of production units under the self-management of workers run for the benefit of society as a whole, including the full needs of the community.

We believe in a network of enclosed cooperatives linking productivity and self-managed production units, consumer cooperatives and community-based managed services including elimination of the parasitic activity of intermediate trade.

We believe in the right of the community to full control of all natural and financial resources in order to achieve their needs.

We believe in the right of society to create self-protection units, management and local accountability.

Our main program is: liberation of the workers from the yoke of paid work: from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.

(Translation by Tahrir-ICN)

From here

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Aug 12 2013 22:14

http://menasolidaritynetwork.com/2013/08/12/egypt-appeal-for-solidarity-... & http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/78832.aspx

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Egyptian police arrest 2 workers in Suez for inciting strikes
Egyptian army prevented striking steel workers from blocking a key highway following the arrests

Police arrested two workers at a Suez steel company on Monday who have been accused of leading strikes, a company official told Ahram Online.

Following the arrests, the striking workers tried to block a key highway from Suez to Ain Al-Sokhna, but were prevented by the Egyptian army.

The two workers arrested were part of a group of fifteen accused by company management of inciting workers to strike, said Mohamed Soliman, head of legal affairs at the private sector company.

The workers have been on strike at their factory in Al-Ataqa industrial zone in Suez for three weeks, demanding higher bonuses and allowances.

Suez Steel is a private sector company which employs 2,200 workers on contracts and another 2,000 day workers, according to Soliman, who added that the workers' syndicate committee had resigned after failing to mediate between the workers and company management.

Last week, the company threatened to cut down its workforce in response to the strike, claiming profit losses worth LE925 million over the past three years.

Suez Steel was established in 1997 and was 80-percent owned by Banque du Caire.

The company was privatised in 2007 and purchased by Solb Misr which is owned by Gamal El-Garhy, a prominent Egyptian businessman.

Currently, Solb Misr owns subsidiaries Misr National Steel and Egyptian Company for Iron & Steel Products alongside Suez Steel.

Solb Misr, along with Beshay Steel and Egyptian Steel share 35 percent of the market.

Ezz steel is the dominant steel producer in Egypt and MENA with around 55 percent of the local steel market.

Steel imports represents the remaining 10 percent.

Solb Misr's steel production capacity stands at two million tonne per annum.

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Aug 14 2013 12:58

So the army went in this morning, guns blazing. Reports on casualties at the moment range from 13 (Health Ministry) through 40 (Guardian, BBC), 94 bodies counted by Al Jazzeera and figures ranging from 800 - 2000 from various Ikhwan sources. 13 seems unlikely.

AJ: Security crackdown kills scores in Egypt

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Security forces have moved in on two Cairo protest camps set up by supporters of Egypt's ousted President Mohamed Morsi, launching a crackdown that quickly turned into a bloodbath with dozens dead.

Conflicting reports have emerged over the number of people killed. However, Al Jazeera's correspondent counted 94 bodies in Rabaa al-Adawiya's makeshift hospital, while some members of the Muslim Brotherhood have put the figure up to 2,200, with about 10,000 injured.

Al Jazeera could not independently verify the Brotherhood's figure.

The Health Ministry has put the figure at 13 people killed, including six members of the security forces, and a further 98 people injured. At least 66 security forces were injured.[...]

Reports of clashes in other cities around Eqypt and police stations and government buildings attacked in Cairo. Very much rumours and fog of war effect at this moment.

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Aug 14 2013 13:02

BBC report, unintentionally hilarious

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There has been strong international reaction to the storming of the camps.

The European Union called the reports of deaths and injuries "extremely worrying".

Gosh! That is strong. Any more of this sort of thing and the EU might escalate alll the way up to tutting, or in extremis, some hand-wringing.

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Aug 15 2013 11:50

Death toll now at 525, according to Health Ministry:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-15/death-toll-passes-400-as-egyptians...

El Baradei has resigned, to distance himself from the slaughter.

Apart from capital and the feloul (who knew what they were getting into), those who backed the Army to power were fools. The Brotherhood are no friends of the workers, but the Army has just demonstrated how it deals with opponents who are mostly unarmed. Its answer to criticism is blood and anything it does to the Brotherhood it will do with even greater vigour to the workers - if it is permitted to.

If I was in the Libertarian Socialists in Egypt, I'd be thinking seriously of preparing to go underground.

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Aug 15 2013 12:31

Egypt: Revolutionary Socialists on the latest massacre in Cairo - 14 Aug 2013

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Aug 15 2013 15:07

I don't know where I read it but there are recent reports that General al-Sisi is thinking of proposing Murad Mowafi, intelligence boss appointed by Murabak and sacked by Morsi, as a presidential candidate. This would lead to a similar situation where Murabak and his western-backed spy boss, Omar Sulieman, ruled the Egyptian roost and weren't averse to fueling attacks on Christians.. Scores are being settled in blood now between the two factions of the ruling class, army and Brotherhood, with the US still appearing to back the army as "reflecting the popular will". In the last week there has been unprecedented cooperation between Egyptian and Israeli forces against the jihadis gaining ground in the Sinai. This could be another factor underlining American support for the army takeover.

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Aug 15 2013 18:43

Tahrir-ICN statement on events in Egypt

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Aug 15 2013 22:38

Death toll now 638 according to AP

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Aug 15 2013 23:01

Can someone point me to a reputable article that explains the situation from a communist perspective. I'm getting too many different interpretations of whats going on. Thanks in advance.

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Aug 15 2013 23:01

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Aug 16 2013 00:39

Tahrir-ICN is Libertarian (Anarcho)- Communist, check them out, yo!

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Aug 16 2013 02:24

From the statement:

"The Revolutionary Socialists did not defend the regime of Mohamed Mursi and the Muslim Brotherhood for a single day."

That's funny. I could have sworn I recalled this mob calling for votes for the Brotherhood earlier on. No doubt they find it embarrassing to admit it, but they shouldn't stoop to lies.

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Aug 16 2013 09:38

Arabist - It only gets worse from here

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Aug 17 2013 12:25

Didn't the British SWP call for a vote for the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi?

The Saudi's have welcomed the Egyptian crackdown on the MB ("terrorists") and, not surprisingly, Bahrain and the UAE have followed suit. This will have wider implications for the region particularly the war in Syria where Qatar backs its own Brotherhood "rebels", with Saudi favouring its own fighting factions. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the UAE have now picked up the $12 billion tab for Egypt that Qatar was giving to the Brotherhood government of Morsi. It looks like Egypt, Israel and the Saudis have decided to settle things with the MB; Hamas has been left high and dry after throwing in their lot with Qatar and this could be one explanation for the "revived" Palestinian talks with Israel.

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Aug 17 2013 13:30

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Didn't the British SWP call for a vote for the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi?

Yes, they did, scandalously. Some proof: Anne Alexander, in Socialist Worker, 12 June 2012:

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Despite revolutionary activists’ anger at the Brotherhood, voting for Mursi and against Shafiq is an important step in building a revolutionary movement beyond the elections.

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As the Revolutionary Socialists put it recently, “The question is which of the two would we rather fight? A general who will call in the tanks or an opportunist Muslim Brother who is vacillating under the pressure from below and who can be exposed before his own rank and file and the masses?”

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art/28271/Egypt%3A+Debates+rage+on+the+streets+and+at+the+ballot+box

And Phil Marfleet, Socialist Worker, 29 May 2012:

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In fact the choice is clear. A vote for Shafiq would be a vote against the revolution.A vote for Mursi is a vote against the legacy of Mubarak and for continuing change. Revolutionary activists will not enjoy voting for Mursi. If they do not do so, however, they are likely to experience the real nightmare scenario—a president cloned from the dictator they overthrew last year.

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art/28119/Revolution+continues+beyond+the+poll+in+Egypt
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And I would not be surprised if they would re-discover this alliance, now that the milityary/ old regime forces seem to get the upper hand, in a new enactment of their favourite dance: the Flip Flop.
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Edit: forgot to add the year of the articles: 2012, not 2013. Added now.

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Aug 17 2013 16:03
Ablokeimet wrote:

From the statement:

"The Revolutionary Socialists did not defend the regime of Mohamed Mursi and the Muslim Brotherhood for a single day."

That's funny. I could have sworn I recalled this mob calling for votes for the Brotherhood earlier on. No doubt they find it embarrassing to admit it, but they shouldn't stoop to lies.

I saw Jano Charbel talk in Berlin last week, before the latest army offensive. His talk was very interesting, but one highlight that sticks in my mind. It was in response to a particularly obnoxious & irritating British Trot (who some Libcom Colchester ex-pats will know) going on a boorish & pointless meandering 'intervention' about Kerensky & how Islamists are OK really & how all they need is 'politicisation':

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Sounds to me like you're talking about a vanguard. Well, there is a vanguardist group in Egypt called Revolutionary Socialists. they are a puppet of the Socialist Workers' Party in the UK and I certainly don't wanna be led by them. In fact, I want to see them excluded from every arena of public life

(May not be an exact quote, lol)

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Aug 19 2013 12:01

Guess who's back...

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Aug 19 2013 21:09

http://www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2013-08-17/the-egyptian-proletariat-b...

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Aug 19 2013 21:13

found on facebook:

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Statement by the Egyptian Libertarian Socialist Movement

Authoritarian methods, used today by [General Abdel Fattah] al-Sisi, are an example of state terrorism against the people. Claiming that this excessive violence is directed against a certain segment because of its ideology is intellectual nonsense. This terrorism was practiced by the military and police forces not only against the [Muslim] Brotherhood, but days before military forces attacked workers in Suez, and charged them with incitement to strike, as if the right to strike has become a punishable offence. We are now back to the same emergency law [as before].

The Army and the police now give the pretext for the party of parties to exercise violence against the various segments of society, including also the state and its agencies in the game, working in collaboration with the media to create an image for the people that there is a monster to destroy, so to kill him becomes a community’s mission.

But the parties involved in the massacre of today seek only their own advantage. The conflict, since its inception, between the two parties was for seats and positions in the state, and both parties do not care about the blood, both parties play the poor against the poor in the skit of distraction and claim their rights from the remnants of the businessmen and statesmen. That polarization does not only serve the owners of capital and owners of high-level positions in the state.

THERE IS NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR! DOWN WITH THE STATE! DOWN WITH THE MILITARY! DOWN WITH THE POLITICAL SYSTEM! DOWN WITH CAPITALISM!

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Aug 24 2013 19:43

Al-jazeera feature on Mubarak's release:

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestory/2013/08/201382410200979676.html

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Aug 26 2013 23:09

Mahalla textile workers on strike again

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Aug 27 2013 10:05

Facebook page of MENA reports, that tanks have entered Mahalla to suppress the strike

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Aug 28 2013 21:25

Does anyone know of any groups in Egypt to contact to co-ordinate some kind of solidarity? I know an Independent Trade Union Federation was set up and MENA is the supposed workings of co-ordinating between the UK and that group. Anything more radical (aren't the UK cats trots or something similar? Sorry if I'm wrong!)

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Aug 30 2013 22:05
Jano Charbel wrote:

Security crackdowns against two labor strikes — at the Suez Steel Company and Scimitar Petroleum Company — and a potential one at the Misr Textile Company in Mahalla, have been eclipsed by news of crackdowns against the Muslim Brotherhood.

Receiving negligible media coverage, these industrial actions were crushed by police and the Armed Forces within the span of less than one week...

http://madamasr.com/content/labor-politicized-or-politicized-labor

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Sep 24 2013 02:29
al-Akhbar wrote:
An Egyptian court on Monday banned the Muslim Brotherhood from operating and ordered its assets seized, in the latest blow to the Islamist movement of deposed president Mohammed Mursi.

The court also banned "any institution branching out from or belonging to the Brotherhood," the official MENA news agency reported, possibly restricting the movement's political arm the Freedom and Justice Party.

The ruling comes amid a crackdown on the Brotherhood and more than a month after hundreds of Islamist protesters died in a police operation to disperse their Cairo sit-ins, sparking a wave of nationwide violence.

A judicial source told AFP the court ruled that a government committee should be created to manage the Brotherhood's seized assets.

The Cairo court "ruled to ban all activities by the Muslim Brotherhood organization, the group emanating from it and its non-governmental organization," MENA reported.

The ruling may be appealed and overturned by a higher court.

Formed in 1928, the Muslim Brotherhood was banned for decades before a popular uprising overthrew its arch foe president Hosni Mubarak in 2011.

It dominated subsequent parliamentary elections and won the presidential election in June 2012 through its candidate Mursi, who himself was overthrown by the military on July 3.

The new military-installed government now accuses the Islamist movement of "terrorism," and police have arrested at least 2,000 members including most of senior Brotherhood leaders.

In the past three years, the movement set up headquarters in a multi-storey building in Cairo and opened offices across the country for its Freedom and Justice Party.

All these buildings are likely to be seized under the court order, which can also if upheld criminalize membership with the movement.

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/egypt-bans-muslim-brotherhood-seize...

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Sep 28 2013 09:14

did the army attack the MB to create a civil war between secularists and islamists, thereby transforming the political struggle into a secterian struggle?

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Sep 28 2013 09:20

it seems that 2011 was largely due to economic hardship, and Morsi continued the neoliberalist agenda, that he wasnt a reformist led to the people being disilusioned, and still in poverty and returning to the streets in 2013. the military could not grant the same improvements as nasser did as nasser got much of his funds from unmatured USSR loans and the nationalisation of confiscated foreign assets, so they followed asads lead and transformed the political struggle into a secterian struggle, because the people were so close to revolution

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Oct 9 2013 10:37

Interview in Spanish with Mohamed Ezz from the Libertarian Socialists:

http://www.diagonalperiodico.net/global/19980-la-represion-del-ejercito-...