Fascist "attack" on anti-CPE strikers in France
hello
i m a french girl from toulouse and i saw what happened in the university of "sciences sociales" this morning
you said that it was a group of extremists who rushed into the university but as i was a witness i can say that it didn't happened that way: they were 50 and it was not violent, they had no "metal bars" or "teargas grenades".
i think i deserve your attention as i WAS THERE!"
merci beaucoup de votre attention
sophie
thank you very much for having changed your article
it was just that some of my friends had "attacked" the blocus but without much violence..
i am from another university: toulouse le mirail which has been closed for 3 weeks now and i m angry because the administration talks of cancelling our exams... i want this to end
everybody must know that we are a majority of students who want to work and not to be in strike, take the incidents of this morning as a proof!
many articles present us as lazy people but today in toulouse, the situation is changing, some manifestations pro-studies are being held in france...
thanks for your attention
sophie
Maybe we could promise Soss unlimited chocolate (or something) in order to make her keep posting and let us know what's actually happening.
...or maybe not.
What do you think of the CPE, sophie?
thank you very much for having changed your articleit was just that some of my friends had "attacked" the blocus but without much violence..
How much violence did they use?
unlimited chocolate would be cool
well, considering that the unemployment rate in france for the 20-26 years is up to 20% i think that the cpe is not that bad
the problem is : can an employer fire an employee without explanation? of course not
but the prime minister has promised that there would be a strict control on the employer and a comission which would examinate each case if needed
i don't really know about the cpe but what i know is that something has to be done for the young people and that villepin tries to do his best to find a solution to the crisis of the unemployment
maybe the cpe is not enough, it can't be a miracle solution but at least it is a try! 8)
thank you very much for having changed your articleit was just that some of my friends had "attacked" the blocus but without much violence..
i am from another university: toulouse le mirail
Mind if I ask how you managed to see the confrontation in the article?
And how did your friends "attack" the blockades?
how much violence?
well i can say they just took the chairs and tables away but the people in the university (they were 200) or at least some of them had chains and i was told by my friends and the channel fr2 that the 1st to fight were the strikers (the anti cpe movement)
anyawy it wasn't very violent, just some blows, very few little injuries(some of my friends-girls-were hurt when they tried to enter the university)
finally the university was closed because the administration feared a reaction of the anti cpe strikers and did not want them to go on sleeping in the university . furthermore as you have seen int the sorbonne in paris, strickers caused dammages and burnt some books. the university of toulouse 1 was closed not to let things like that happen again
Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm just asking for clarification, but are you or any of your friends supporters or members, or linked to the Front Nationale in any way?
soss, given that current polls are putting French public opinion against the CPE at around 68%, and the government seems determined to go ahead against the people's wishes, why shouldn't people take responsibility for stopping it themselves?
i am not and my friends are not too
it is just that we want to work, you know when you don't work 3-4 days it's ok but after 3 weeks you get angry
my friends who are in tlse 1 are not from the front national
don't worry i m not angry at your question
"soss, given that current polls are putting French public opinion against the CPE at around 68%, and the government seems determined to go ahead against the people's wishes, why shouldn't people take responsibility for stopping it themselves?"
well i think that you are quite right when you say that the people are against the cpe but the PM tries to negociate in putting some reforms in the cpe, i think he wants a dialogue but maybe the situation is too rotten to be changed?
the fact is that if villepin withdraws now, he will show that some strikes can have so big a power to make a pm resign as he will have no choice but to resign in that case
you know many many PM tried to change things but in france , and i don't know why, it's particularly difficult (may they be from the right or left side)
i don't really know about the cpe but what i know is that something has to be done for the young people and that villepin tries to do his best to find a solution to the crisis of the unemploymentmaybe the cpe is not enough, it can't be a miracle solution but at least it is a try! Cool
I really don't think this is accurate. Obviously Villepin didn't write the legislation himself. Nor did he come up with it himself, it would have been written by a some form of committee (in ireland they are called oireachtas committees), which, due to the lack of conviction and information held by public representatives, would have been dominated by a handful of economists.
Even more than this as Keynes said “The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are right and when they are wrong, are more powerful than is commonly understood. Indeed the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.”
You can't simply say 'well at least he's doing something'. You need to ask is he doing the right thing? And the answer depends on who you are asking and what they value.
Will the CPE decrease the level of youth unemployment, probably in the short term yes. But it will also result in an decrease in the standard of living for french workers. Because the benefits of being employed will decrease relative to being unemployed. And in the long run no. It reduces the power of workers relative to employers, however after a peroid employers demand further sacrifices. Sacrifices that workers will be unable to resist giving due the their situation of decreased power.
Unemployment exists because full employment is impossible under capitalism. Capitalism requires scarcity and therefore artifically produces it. In the jobs market all though there are jobs to be done*, by not hiring workers Capital restricts the supply of jobs which leads to them being able to demand more from those who are looking for a job. The response to this restriction should be that workers undermine the power of capital by forcing capital into crisis whereby it has to adapt to a changed power relationship by increasing employment.
The CPE offers the opposite solution, it increasses the power of capital to demand higher profits, lower wages, longer hours, cheaper working conditions, greater power. This only furthers the disempowerment of workers and enables Capital to manipulate the labour/jobs market more freely.
Of course the only real solution to the problem of unemployment and the inability of workers to provide for themselves is for workers to expropriate the means of production from Capital and then run them to satisfy their own needs, wants and desires.
*Consider the absurdity of an unemployed builder unable to pay for his accomdation.
Alan posted this on the other thread, and I fucked up moving it (I thought we could merge threads??):
the people in the university (they were 200) or at least some of them had chains and i was told by my friends and the channel fr2 that the 1st to fight were the strikers (the anti cpe movement)
I'd be wary as to what you take from news reporting, particularly of an event like this. Remember that everyone has an agenda, even supposedly impartial news channels. Who owns Fr2?? What reputation do they have nationally in terms of their news coverage?? In Britain the media (with the possible exception of the BBC) is treated with heavy scepticism by many, is it the same in France??
Like you say yourself, Villepin is reluctant to concede to the strikers for fear of his authority being undermined - do you think that's right?? I mean, why should young people suffer in order for him to reinforce his power??
as you have seen int the sorbonne in paris, strickers caused dammages and burnt some books. the university of toulouse 1 was closed not to let things like that happen again
There's actually speculation as to whether the burnt books were the actions of occupying students or a publicity stunt coordinated by Goulard et al: http://libcom.org/blog/2006/03/12/minister-visits-evicted-sorbonne-in-attempt-to-discredit-demonstrators/
EDIT: Sorry, could admin move this post too??
good summary georgestapleton!
the PM tries to negociate in putting some reforms in the cpe, i think he wants a dialogue but maybe the situation is too rotten to be changed? the fact is that if villepin withdraws now, he will show that some strikes can have so big a power to make a pm resign as he will have no choice but to resign in that case
The point is the CPE cannot be reformed in favour of the working-people since its very existence is designed to relax labour laws in favour of employers -that is, against the employees. There can therefore be no dialogue, no negotiations concerning something so unashamedly against the interests of young workers. Concessions will occur only where there's a collapse in resistence, i.e. when the students (etc.) are forced to give up. At this rate, however, Villepin will have to resign - but he's not important, actually.
CPE will permanently reduce unemployment amongst under 26s, its just that over 26s will have more unemployment. It will change the demographic of the unemployment statistics, it looks like a stall to me to buy time.
And an open attack on the strength of the unions, remember that the CNE, a similar that applies to small businesses passed last year.
SOSS is right, some French people do believe that there economy is stagnating and that they need to relax the laws to stimulate employment. However its a rather shallow analysis, its true that people are protected in France to the extent that the incompetent often can't be fired. But I'd be interested to see whether the French are actually worse off in spite of unemployment etc. From what I've seen standards of living in France are higher, not that I've hung out in the banlieues and I do live inner city london.
CPE will permanently reduce unemployment amongst under 26s, its just that over 26s will have more unemployment.
What do you mean?
Jef Costello wrote:
CPE will permanently reduce unemployment amongst under 26s, its just that over 26s will have more unemployment.What do you mean?
Well, shitter working conditions does generally mean more jobs - and many bosses will probably rather hire people they can sack for no reason than people they can't.
SOSS is right, some French people do believe that there economy is stagnating and that they need to relax the laws to stimulate employment. However its a rather shallow analysis, its true that people are protected in France to the extent that the incompetent often can't be fired. But I'd be interested to see whether the French are actually worse off in spite of unemployment etc. From what I've seen standards of living in France are higher, not that I've hung out in the banlieues and I do live inner city london.
Well the French welfare state is infamously large, partially due to the strong union movement. Which is why it's weird that the government would pass such a stringent anti-worker law instead of dismantling part of the welfare state. It seems somewhat contradictory. Maybe Villepin et al were reluctant to touch the welfare state due to the outcry it would cause, without realising that it wasn't the welfare state itself the French are keen to defend but the (relatively) strong bargaining chip of the workers.
To be honest though, I find it improbable that young French are solely disenchanted with the CPE. This is merely a flashpoint that allowed longstanding resentment to surface. I've seen a lot of banners talk of "PRECARITE" (well, there's an accent on the second E but you know what I mean), which I hope will serve as a kick up the ass to the frankly embarassing British anti-"precarity" movement.
georgestapleton wrote:
Jef Costello wrote:
CPE will permanently reduce unemployment amongst under 26s, its just that over 26s will have more unemployment.What do you mean?
Well, shitter working conditions does generally mean more jobs - and many bosses will probably rather hire people they can sack for no reason than people they can't.
I'm still a bit confused by that qoute. But yeah you are right lower working conditions=more jobs. But it doesn't mean permenantly more jobs. Firms compete to lower costs so as soon as the labour market equilibriates under new conditions some 'innovative' employer will find a way of cutting back on workers income thereby undercutting the competition. Driving people out of business and workers out of employment. So the bar drops lower and lower and lower. The 'race to the bottom' as they say.
Of course this doesn't happen, won't happen and can't happen because workers don't take this lying down. They resist it sometimes in an organised manner but all the time informally.






thanks sophie we will change this we can only report what we read in other places,
now edited:
http://libcom.org/blog/2006/03/16/toulouse-extreme-right-attack-anti-cpe-blockage/