French elections
Apr 22 2007 19:06
Funny how much anarchists enjoy election time!
Sarkozy (UMP) 29,5%
Royal (Socialist Party) 26,3%
Bayroux ( Center) 18,8%
Le Pen ( National Front) 11%
Besancenot ( Ligue Communiste Revolutionaire) 4,6%
Philippe de Villiers ( Chouan royalist going on crusade against the sarazins)2,4%
Marie-georges Buffet ( Communist Party) 2%
Arlette Lavilliers ( Lutte Ouvrière, trotskist) 1,4%
José Bové (whatever) 1%
Schivardi ( Lambertist, booooh scary fucker) 0,3%
These results are an approximation.
The real result will be available from 10pm
There was only 13% to abstain ( which means the Anarchist Federation did 13%, not bad!)
As these results will change in an hour, my predictions are not precised but come on, let's face it, the next president of France will be Mr Sarkozy aka Le Pen Light
The next 5 years will be sporty...
Any other predictions?
Apr 22 2007 19:08
#2
Heartskat, I've never quite understood, who goes through to the second round? Is it just the top two or is it more complicated than that?
Apr 22 2007 19:22
#3
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Philippe de Villiers ( Chouan royalist going on crusade against the sarazins)
no come on, really
Apr 22 2007 19:53
#4
You only get the first two for the second round. So it will be Mr Sarkozy against Mrs ( Or miss since she doesn't wear her hubby's name) Royal
But if you want to know in advance you add their own score and for example sarkozy's score plus Le Pen plus de Villiers and half of Bayroux and you get his future score, roughly.
And about de Villiers, yes, he is like that, really. He lives in Vendée ( Chouan area), is from nobility background, very catholic, against abortion, divorce and most of his speech was against muslim "lifestyle" like the scarf and polygamy. Very much against Europe because France is France. Against Turkey in Europe. He has tons of children and his wife stays at home. What more do you need? Oh yes and he ows a castle where they react the old good times...
Apr 22 2007 19:56
#5
I meant he owns a castle where the reenact the middle ages. My english is not too good
Apr 22 2007 20:13
#6
no problem at all with the english!
i mightn't have expressed surprise at deVilliers, when i was young i had glancing acquaintance with a few spaniards who had similar attitudes. but i can't say i like the scarves or polygamy either.
Apr 22 2007 20:19
#7
His whole point is just that people who live in France must behave like french people. I am not ok with the scarf nor polygamy either yet, is it interesting to put it at the center of a political manifesto for presidential elections? No really it sounded so much like going to Jerusalem to get Christ's tomb back. Especially with his upper upper upper class accent, you know, just moving the lower lip. Too much inbreeding!
Apr 22 2007 20:37
#8
Heartskat, les francais ont bien fait de choisir sarko.
sarko=thatcher
sego=blair
donc il faut avoir thatcher avant Blair, sinon vous n'aurez pas une democracie suivant le modele anglo-saxon.
Mais t'as dit que tu sauras a 22H, mais on vote encore ici (paris 17e) et il est 22H30.
Apr 22 2007 20:41
#9
oui, effectivement, il y a tellement plus de personnes à voter que d'habitude qu'on ne saura que plus tard.
And to be honnest, when we have a right wing government it is much easier to get nice big general strikes and real class war struggle. I grew up under Mitterand and the whole social struggle was paralysed. It was shit because no one dared attaking the socialists. It was shit and I hate the socialist party for that. They did vote the privatisations and they did vote the first anti immigration laws ( and the ones after).
Apr 22 2007 21:41
#10
heartskat wrote:
And to be honnest, when we have a right wing government it is much easier to get nice big general strikes and real class war struggle. I grew up under Mitterand and the whole social struggle was paralysed. It was shit because no one dared attaking the socialists. It was shit and I hate the socialist party for that. They did vote the privatisations and they did vote the first anti immigration laws ( and the ones after).
true, it's easier to fight Sarkozy. Even the police are turning on him, he got the union to call off a manif today, but it still happened.
Apr 22 2007 21:54
#11
Oh did it? did you go there?
Apr 22 2007 22:02
#12
if you have a bit of time: www.radiofrance.fr/thematiques/pres_2007/accueil/?go=1
Apr 23 2007 03:48
#13
heartskat wrote:
Oh did it? did you go there?
no, I'm not marching with the police even if it does upset Sarkozy.
Apr 23 2007 03:48
#14
I'll check the link tomorrow night, thanks.
Apr 23 2007 09:39
#15
I was in the Vendee week before last, and yes, Villiers really is like that. The Chouans live again!
Imagine those who voted for him will mostly transfer to Sarkosy in the second round
Apr 23 2007 10:06
#16
Hi
Quote:
polygamy
Polygamy rocks.
"Love"
LR
Apr 23 2007 13:22
#17
hey Jef I was not asking if you marched with them but only if you had the opportunity to see the demo or if you heard more about it. But Sarkozy promised them a lot and he screwed them like he is going to screw us all. Now, I don't see myself marching with the police either but it is a good thing simply because them might hit us not as hard next time... well, forget that actually. I can't see them turning their guns against the State.
But it is the same with the national front votes. I mean you can be sure that some of them will either vote for Ségolène or won't vote since they hate Sarkozy so much and not only because he is Israel's friend. I say that because the main police union is national front controlled. the other one is the CGT and in guest star we have SUD Interior ( apparently "comrades") but they only organise the Special Branch... so there is this national front problem which hasn't gone away despite less votes this year. The main reason is obviously Sarkozy campaign against "hoods" i.e kids from immigant background in Sarkozist terminology and his campaign started in 2005 with all the repression against the suburbs kids, the anti CPE movement and the Sans Papiers constant arrests and deportations. The fascists are still here and there are more numerous than before because it is now ok to be a fascist simply by denying it but acting like one.
Not only the UMP ( Sarkozy's party) moved towards the extrem right but also the socialist party ( Mrs Royal would like to see us having a blue white and red tricolore at every window of France for the 14th of July. That's only an example but the rest is just the same. The socialists in France brought France into neo liberalism with privatisations and cuts on the Dole, reforms in educations ( less teachers, more pupils, less creative subjects, longer hours, no more handcraft formations,...) and the very first laws against immigrants was their laws and we should never forget that! Not to mention the contaminated blood scandale...
And the poor little communist party tried to follow the movement to the right, got fucked by the socialists and betrayed the working class. Bye bye the stalinists and good luck with your historical museum...
This explains why Olivier Besancenot did almost 5%. The Stals are out, the trotks are in.
De Villiers supporters will vote for Sarkozy. Now the big debate is the Center (UDF) with Bayroux with more than 18%. He is negociating his next job in as minister so each candidate is seducing him. Two weeks of being hit on by Sarkozy and Royal... poor Bayroux. Sexual harrassement!
Apr 23 2007 14:27
#18
Lots of good info there heartskat. Cheers!
Apr 23 2007 14:39
#19
OK, more stuff and it will be it for a while.
The ultimate results are:
Sarkozy: 31,18% www.sarkozy.fr
Royal: 25,87% www.desirdavenir.org ( note the cheesy and daft site name: desir for a future)
Bayrou: 18,57% www.bayrou.fr
Le Pen: 10,44% www.lepen2007.fr
Besancenot: 4,08% www.besancenot2007.org
de Villiers: 2,23% www.pourlafrance.fr
Buffet: 1,93% www.mariegeorge2007.org
Voynet: 1,57% blog.voynet2007.fr
Laguiller: 1,33% www.arlette-laguiller.org
José Bové: 1,32% www.unisavecbove.org
Nihous: 1,15% www.nihous2007.fr
Schivardi: 0,34% www.schivardi2007.com
I forgot to introduce you to Mr Nihous! Vegetarian and vegan comrades, this is your bourgeois democratic nightmare: he represents a party called Chasse Peche Nature et Tradition. Which means: Hunting Fishing Nature and Tradition. Yes, believe it or not, it is not a joke. After the monarchist freak the rural right wing brute! What a progressive country...
Morality: DON'T VOTE!!!
Apr 23 2007 15:15
#20
Hi Heartskat, thanks for all the info. I thought that the main police union was Unsa Police though and they're supposed to be PS. Le Pen is tryig to get sexually harassed, he's been claiming that his voters will do what he tells them.
Apr 23 2007 15:19
#21
thanks for the rundown and links, hk
Apr 23 2007 15:24
#22
the UNSA Police is full of NF folks. What I meant by controle is not officially like the CGT with the communist party, sorry.
I can remember when I lived in Paris 18th arrt. stories ( maybe activist urban legends) of physical fights between the red cops and the neo nazi cops. this might be well true since the "commissariat" of the 18th arrt is well known for its violence. you know, the one rue de clignancourt, just after rue de caulaincourt.
Some of his voters will obey, some of his voters used the "vote contestataire" so now they'll do what they want. But no one would be interested because no one want him in any ministerial cabinet ( can you imagine that??) and Sarkozy got already most of the votes plus the few % he will get for the 2nd turn. Le Pen does not even need to say a word. It is the end of Le Pen. Now who will be next? Maigret? Marine Le Pen? or maybe, eh eh, de Villiers? I mean he would like to and he knows Le Pen is getting old. In 5 years time he will be over 80 years old!
Apr 23 2007 15:28
#23
there seem to be three trotskyist parties, with about 8% of the vote
Apr 23 2007 15:44
#24
What do you mean 8%?
Besancenot from the Ligue Communiste Revolutionaire got 4,08%
Arlette for Lutte Ouvrière got 1,33%
and Schivardi ( now, I have difficulties to count the Parti des Travail as trotskists although they are) got 0,34%
The total of the 3 will be:5,75% for the ice pick eaters.
The Greens did 1,57% ( we love nuclear power here, you see, especially in the Pacific)
Marie-George Buffet, straight from memory lane got 1,93% so that's the stalinists ( they have a committee or tendency called Honecker, class!)
And last but not least, the king of anti globalisation, the prince of the tractor over McDonald's restaurant, the smelly cheese maker with huge moustache, the cliché of the ex soixante-huitard (68 hippy), I call Mr José Bové!!! And he got 1,32%.
Apr 23 2007 15:57
#25
heartskat wrote:
the UNSA Police is full of NF folks. What I meant by controle is not officially like the CGT with the communist party, sorry.
Cool I didn't know that.
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I can remember when I lived in Paris 18th arrt. stories ( maybe activist urban legends) of physical fights between the red cops and the neo nazi cops. this might be well true since the "commissariat" of the 18th arrt is well known for its violence. you know, the one rue de clignancourt, just after rue de caulaincourt.
This sounds amazing do you have any more info on this.
I'm not sure the NF would take Villiers, I don't think an aristocrat would sit well with the supporters. I'm not sure how much they'd like a woman either.
Apr 23 2007 15:59
#26
I loved José Bové's posters, did you see the one where he was standing in a field with his cap in his hand, holding it to his chest? That was hilarious.
Apr 23 2007 16:13
#27
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What do you mean 8%?
i mean i got confused clicking back and forth among all those names 
Apr 23 2007 18:05
#28
It's funny how the poll tax riots put Maggie out, and the CPE riots put Sarko in.
Apr 23 2007 18:23
#29
No, I did not see that one. But I didnt' have the chance to do so. Alternative Libertaire postered over them!! Well, we did few postering over some trotskist posters as well. Went into a verbal fight too. Yeah, you know how they are, they caught us straight away saying we were not respecting the democratic process. Well, we just don't respect the bourgeois democracy. Anyway, no, did'nt see it.
About those activist urban legends, it was back in the days, before the 1995 general strike, before the 1996 Sans Papiers struggle, it was under a nice right wing government when the police could do anything they wanted ( they still do but those days were rough, they probably knew something big was going to happen), the LCR was "groupusculaire", and we were only 300 (no, not only in Paris, in total for the whole Confederation...), the Auteuil Tribune was very young and had a hard time in front of Boulogne. Oh I stop know or I'm going to cry...
Just go to the St Sauveur Bar in Ménilmontant and listen to the old timers stories...
De Villiers also have anti european union idea, patriotic ideal he said somthing like " Le patriotisme c'est la solution", he is anti abortion but yes, he is rural, he is a "plouc" and aristocratic so he'll get the fascist grannies and the nazi will find something else or build something else. There is that nazi bar in Paris called "Le Garage" and the boss is Serge Ayoub ( fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serge_Ayoub ) and there are more and more boneheads in Paris. Why nothing ( or not much) is done about it? I'll tell you face to face some day ( I'll be in Paris this friday). I think Sarkozy have a strong interest to see nazis in the streets to get rid of us. I clearly think that it is the plan, I mean one of them...
Hey! newyawka! I didn't mean to be agressive. Don't worry about that! and sorry to be a bit harsh sometimes.
Apr 30 2007 15:41
#30
heartskat, your posts are a pleasure to read, thak you 
Source: CSA