Galloway wins Bradford West By-Election

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Mar 30 2012 05:33
Galloway wins Bradford West By-Election

Bit of a shocker, I'd forgotten he was even standing. "The Bradford Spring", according to Gorgeous George.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17558159

Looks like a repeat of Bethnal Green - very communal politics. He went to great lengths to show he's not a drinker, apparently.

Guardian think he's a "fundamentalist" for wanting troops out of Afghanistan though, lol.

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Mar 30 2012 06:19

Shit MP. Spends too much time trying to be a public figure, talking in the media, getting photos taken, travelling to other countries etc to do any sort of job as a politician.

Not that I approve of the Parliamentary system in the first place, might I add roll eyes

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Mar 30 2012 08:34

Galloway's a fucking awful human being. Stalinist, misogynist, careerist, pro-life, sceptical of evolution in favour of creationism, directly supports Islamic fundamentalism (he donated £25,000 to Hamas and supported Ahmadinejad's presidential campaign in Iran). The Left are having a field day because he's anti-austerity, but he's not a socialist, however much he claims to be. Electing an anti-austerity MP is not going to combat austerity anyway. That has to be done through grassroots self-organisation of the working class. Galloway is just as bad as any other politician.

And as bulmer said, the parliamentary system is crap anyway wink

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Mar 30 2012 08:50

He's grown a beard and announced his victory thusly:

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"By the grace of God, we have won the most sensational victory in British political history".

Allahu akbar! roll eyes

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Mar 30 2012 08:53
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He's grown a beard and announced his victory thusly:
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"By the grace of God, we have won the most sensational victory in British political history".

Allahu akbar! roll eyes

Haha! Brilliant laugh out loud

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Mar 30 2012 09:05

He had the beard when he was on Big Brother, and he's Catholic, though he's been milking it more and more to draw lines between his reactionary views and those of Muslim "community leaders".

Creationist though? Google couldn't give me anything other hostile interviews and arguments with creationists.

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Mar 30 2012 09:14

He said something in the past about how when he looked at his 6-month old child he refused to believe it was purely down to evolution that his child could be so beautiful and that there must have been a creator. Something like that anyway. I lose track of half the bollocks that falls out of his mouth.

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Mar 30 2012 09:22

Should also be noted that, presumably due to tickbox politics, Cameron decided to put a white woman in as the Tory candidate (if you're going to lose the seat, may as well get your women candidates quota up, right?*). Consequently the Asian Tory vote (originally built up by the sulphurous Mohammed Riaz) collapsed from its 12 - 14 K avg in all the elections since 1997 (during which time the Tory candidate has been a succession of Pakistani-origin Muslim males), down to 2 K. The reporting of "a drop of 22.78%" doesn't make it clear that this is in absolute terms, not relative. i.e. Whiteley lost 3/4 of the Tory vote to Gorgeous George. A bigger swing, both relatively and absolutely, than defected from Labour for him. In other words, the majority of his electorate are right-wing Muslim Tories. Hardly an "anti-austerity" vote.

* also speaks to the same general ignorance/contempt for working class communities in general and Northern ones in particular, that "Pastygate" signaled.

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Mar 30 2012 09:59

It makes shit difference in the end, it's funny to see centre-left pundits whine and their tears have lightened up my morning.

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Mar 30 2012 10:04

plus he won by a won huge margin so there's enough tears for all.

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Mar 30 2012 10:04

Surprised he didn't change his name to Gallahway, tbh.

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Mar 30 2012 10:45

eek grin

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Mar 30 2012 10:48

@Havaan. No I totally agree. Galloway will do no different (i.e. nothing) than if he had been elected by a majority of folks primarily motivated by anger about austerity. But it's a handy smack-down to have to any swappie (or other) idiot that tries to present this as something like "the fightback against austerity has begun".

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Mar 30 2012 11:13

@ocelot If this is the fightback, it's lost.

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Mar 30 2012 11:19

I heard that he refered to executed homosexuals in Iran as 'paedophiles'. Now there's a left-winger we can ALL be proud of...

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Mar 30 2012 11:37

@the button's picture. What the fuck! Literally in two sentences accuses labour of being 'sectarian' in a multi-faith constituency then in the next talks about what God KNOWS. I can't believe anyone reading that could have without being sick on themselves

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Mar 30 2012 12:19

That non-sectarian campaign in full:

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Car horns honked to celebrate his arrival at the campaign HQ in Grattan Road, and Galloway climbed on top of a grey car and was handed a megaphone to preach to the assembled faithful. "All praise to Allah," he yelled, to jubilant cries of "Allah, Allah".

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cue EDL press release, no doubt...

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Mar 30 2012 12:45

pan-arabic nationalism has a voice in the Commons again

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Mar 30 2012 12:46
Django wrote:
He had the beard when he was on Big Brother, and he's Catholic, though he's been milking it more and more to draw lines between his reactionary views and those of Muslim "community leaders".

Creationist though? Google couldn't give me anything other hostile interviews and arguments with creationists.

generally, catholics aren't creationists, only the most nutty ones like Santorum are, the catholic church has no problems with evolutionary theories

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Mar 30 2012 13:13

http://notsofriendlyhumanist.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/rectorial-elections/

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“I was looking at my little six month old baby today beginning to take his first steps crawling across the hall of the Methodist Central Hall today, and it doesn’t look like an accident to me. He doesn’t look like an accident of evolutionary chance to me. I’m not really prepared to believe that from the bottom-dwelling slugs of the pond came the voice of Pavarotti. I’m not really prepared to believe that Albert Einstein and a spider are really the same thing, that they just took a different evolutionary path.”

My impression from the above article is that his POV is pretty much the standard Catholic one - acceptance of (most) evolutionary theory but with the proviso that human evolution is a special case directed by God.

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Mar 30 2012 14:04

The fact that human babies take six months to start crawling should be a pretty damning indictment of god then...

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Mar 30 2012 14:40

God: Ookay let's take a look at these humans then. So we want to make them like angels, yeah? Hmm...

[after some tinkering]

Alright guys, K angels were a bit overpowered so I've nerfed their specs. I've given them well-developed brains but poor self-control, bad memories and very limited long-term planning abilities. I took the wings out and made them a bit shit at running, really inefficient at swimming, second-rate insulation or cooling systems and they'll take about two decades to get up to full strength (which will still compare VERY badly to most other apex predators). They can't survive much outside 1G gravity and are susceptible to pretty much every virus and bacteria going. Ooh ooh also, I'm going to lumber them with a book of totally self-contradictory hokum called the Bible.

This is gonna be hilarious.

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Mar 30 2012 14:56
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directly supports Islamic fundamentalism (he donated £25,000 to Hamas

Evidence please?

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Guardian think he's a "fundamentalist" for wanting troops out of Afghanistan though, lol.

They also described his muslim voters as 'immigrants' which was a bit sinister. The Guardian's introduction originally read:

'It appeared that the seat's Muslim immigrant community had decamped from Labour en masse to Galloway's fundamentalist call for an immediate British troop withdrawal from Afghanistan and a fightback against the job crisis'.

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Mar 30 2012 14:54

Second one ain't me.

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Mar 30 2012 14:57

Sorry hombre, now changed.

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Mar 30 2012 15:04
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directly supports Islamic fundamentalism (he donated £25,000 to Hamas

Evidence please?

I'll look up the evidence in a bit but Galloway himself admitted to doing it, he just claimed it was for 'aid' (even though it went directly to Hamas). He was banned from entering Canada because of it.

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Mar 30 2012 15:40

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7939480.stm

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UK Member of Parliament George Galloway has received a Palestinian passport from a Hamas leader in Gaza.
The passport was given in "deep appreciation" for his support for the Palestinians and their cause.
Mr Galloway was part of a convoy which delivered financial and material assistance to Gaza through the Rafah crossing with Egypt on Wednesday.
The aid convoy was organised by the Viva Palestina group and supported by Mr Galloway.
He personally donated £25,000 and a fleet of vehicles. The group visited sites which had been hit during the three-week offensive.

Not wanting to stand up for the guy but I'm not sure it's that big a deal really; he's a politician after all, meeting with and giving aid to governments and resistance movements is hardly unusual all told. Admittedly this was his own money but still.

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Mar 30 2012 15:47

Have y'all seen this?

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The protestor who "egged" George Galloway said he "wanted to insult" the newly elected Bradford MP.

Thomas Johnson said: "Why would any city want a politician who got kicked out of two constituencies? Who hasn't got the common sense not to act like a submissive cat on TV? I wanted to insult him."

Mr Johnson shouted: "He's a sycophant, he's a greedy leech, he's a parasite on this city."

http://www.itv.com/news/story/2012-03-29/bradford-west-by-election/

laugh out loud

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Mar 30 2012 19:05

How the fuck did this happen!!!!??!!
I thought everyone knew Galloway is a nob

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Mar 30 2012 21:40

Not exactly. Everybody knows that he is universally loathed by the establishment, the TV news, all the newspapers, etc. Because a lot of people are alienated from them, that tends to give yer man far more credibility to the naive than he deserves - kinda like Nick Griffin. With the difference that Galloway is actually a hell of a lot smarter than Griffin and able to beat most establishment politicians in open debate. Add to that, his consistent support for the "Muslim side" (sic) in Kashmir, Iraq, Palestine, etc, etc, make him an attractive proposition to young alienated British Asians, particularly (but not exclusively!) to those from a Muslim background. On the surface he looks like a sincere critic of British imperialism. Of course it's obvious to anyone with political experience that he's just a one-man racket, but that experience comes from what is currently a very, very minority pursuit that most people don't have any background in. Also to a degree you are talking about a break from the corrupt quasi-colonial communal politics game that both Labour and the Tories have been playing in Bradford for nearly 20 years.

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A common theme on the stump was frustration at clan politics in Bradford, known by the Urdu word Bradree or Biradiri, meaning brotherhood or family, which here has become a byword for exclusivity.

Many felt that too many important decisions were taken in Bradford by a small number of Pakistanis who came from Mirpur, a small town in Kashmir, who had carved up the most important Labour party positions between them over the years.

The Labour candidate in the byelection seemed to many to fit exactly into that mould. Imran Hussain, a 34-year-old barrister from Bradford with Mirpur heritage, was following in his father's footsteps when he became involved in the local Labour party, rising two years ago to become deputy leader of the city council.

Guardian

For once the journalist is not entirely wrong. It would take longer to go through the whole sorry tale, but anyway... But it's not just about that segment of the electorate, which at 38% is still a minority, it's also to do with people's more canny estimation of what kind of rep can get the goods, now matter how bent they are. If you think that all politicians are shameless egotists, only in it for themselves, but you still have an interest in having a rep in the area who can create a stir when necessary - who would you prefer, some faceless, milk and water party machine drone who couldn't win a debate at a Church of England synod, never mind against the number 10 attack team, or a skilled gobshite rabble-rouser like Galloway, no matter what a venal, amoral, self-serving turd he is? Working class people put their money on dogs, horses, prizefighters and footballers every day without worrying about their morals. It's not that different, it's certainly not necessarily the evidence that people are mugs that you seem to think it is.

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Mar 31 2012 09:57

http://ww4report.com/node/2507

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In an interview with the Moroccan weekly La Gazette du Maroc, Galloway underlined that he advocates a "peaceful settlement" to the Sahara issue in order to "open the way for a real large Arab Maghreb."

"I am for Morocco's position (on the Sahara issue), and I always have been," he said, stressing he is against "the balkanisation of the Arab region."