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Mark.
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Oct 7 2011 10:19

Peter - I think this is just routine and the fact the MAT carried on regardless despite obviously being filmed is an indication that they don't believe there will be any comeback.

The video was posted up on youtube yesterday so I'm assuming the footage is from this week, but there's no description and as far as I can see nothing in the comments to confirm this. From the Greek Streets has some more photos and videos here.

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Oct 7 2011 15:24

A tweet on Paul Mason's account: #greece most popular politicians of far right and far left, each with 38%

What are the groups in the anarchist scene over there? How large are they?

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Oct 7 2011 16:26

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Oct 7 2011 16:08

Can't answer your question, wojtek - but why do you want to know? Since the early '70s anarchism, with situationist ideas thrown in, has been one of the dominant ideologies in the Greek opposition, and with the movement in December 2008, that's got even bigger - there are now loads and loads of anarchist goups throughout the country, of different tendencies and with varying numbers. Which doesn't necessarily mean they have anything more to say or do than any other groups that want an anti-State revolution.

About the cops going into the Athens metro (see Mark's video): they even beat up tube workers, 15 year old girls, photo journalists and reporters. This happened on Wednesday.

About the schools' occupations: headmasters have been told to grass on leading school students who are occupying their schools; last week there were a couple of schools where the cops went in and arrested the occupiers, who were a minority of school students. Virtually all teachers refuse to inform the cops of who's occupying their school.

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Oct 7 2011 23:17
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What are the groups in the anarchist scene over there? How large are they?

I've no first hand information but I don't think any of the groups are that big, in the hundreds at most. There's some background, dating from before the current crisis, in this abc thread and a podcast of an interview with a member of the anarcho-syndicalist group ESE here ('in Greece there is a separation between riot anarchism and social anarchism').

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Oct 8 2011 00:09

Thanks Samotnaf and Mark, I was just wondering as you do.

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Oct 11 2011 10:02
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Tuesday 11/10 starts with marches of the employees in Athens central hospitals. Workers in Sortiria and General State hospitals are marching towards the parliament from Vas. Sofias Av. while the workers of Red Cross Hospital are marching there through Stadiou st. The two first hospitals are occupied by the employees.

The workers in the municipalities have occupied several municipal buildings all around the country and the landfills of Athens are blockaded so rubbish are not collected, workers in the municipalities are about to start their march at 12:00 GMT+2. The same time primary and high school teachers are having a rally in Klathmonos Sq.

Premises of several government’s ministries are occupied e.g. ministries of education, the home office and buildings that house services of the ministry of finance, while the central building of state-owned Agricultural Bank in Panepistimiou st. are as well occupied by the workers of the bank.

The workers of the state-owned company Oil refineries are blockading the premises of the company and have decided for a non-stop strike (at least for 10 days) so petrol stations all around the country have long queues of cars. The entire union of workers in petroleum, oil refineries and chemical industry are on strike.

In Thessaloniki workers occupied the Company of Water and Sewing of the city along several municipal buildings.

Yesterday the government in a very provocative movement announced the bail out of one more bank the Proton Bank for more than 800.000.000 Euro of public money.

http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2011/10/11/macrhes-and-occupations-all-around-athens-today/

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Oct 13 2011 08:44
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A few hours ago, GENOP (the trade union of DEI, the Public Power Corporation) has occupied the building where the company’s bills in Athens are issued. The move came as a protest against the imposed property tax. Already, hundreds of people in solidarity are gathered at the spot (247, Pireaus Avenue near Tauros). Already, the minister of development (Papakonstantinou, the ex-minister of Finance) has requested the intervention of an attorney general in order for the occupation to end.

Meanwhile, the occupation of ministries and other public buildings is spreading wildly ahead of the General Strike of October 19th. As for the strikes:

- There will be no public transportation in Athens on Thursday and Friday (at least), as all workers (except for the suburban railway) have called for a 48-h strike.

- Taxi drivers have also called for a strike on Friday, and will decide future mobilisations on the day.

- ADEDY (the civil servants union) has asked GSEE (the main reformist trade union) to turn Wednesday’s strike into a 48-hour one.

- School teachers are holding a 48h strike next week (Wednesday and Thursday) and will call for rolling 5-day strikes thereafter.

- Lawyers are abstaining from their duty from tomorrow (Thursday) until October 19

- Workers at the ministry of Finance have declared a 10-day strike, from October 17-27

- Custom duty workers have also called for a 10-day strike (October 14-24)

- Workers at tax offices are striking between October 17-20

- Workers in banks are also striking between October 18-19

- All publicly-owned media workers are calling for a 48-hour strike from Thursday to Saturday

- Museums and archaeological sites will be shut on Wednesday and Thursday due to the strike.

- Workers at local prefectures and ports are also striking. All ports will be shut between October 17-19.

http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2011/10/13/electricity-corporation-union-occupies-building-issuing-property-tax-in-athens-tonight-as-wildcat-occupations-and-strikes-spread-across-the-country/

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Oct 18 2011 22:23

From the Greek Streets: coverage of October 19-20 general strike

Athens News: Country heads for standstill before austerity vote

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Oct 19 2011 14:32

Some mainstream news coverage of Greece:
Al-Jazeera: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/10/201110190538784585.html
BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15366310 & http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15370881

Judging from this and the Occupied London liveblog it looks like there's been loads of clashes and like EVERYTHING has been shut down (private and public sector)..

One other thing, in one of the BBC videos they mention that France's credit rating has been downgraded.. now if there's anyone else in Europe that's good for a fight it's the French and should austerity hit there in a big way I reckon that we could see serious struggle (moreso than what's been happening in Spain and Portugal) spread across Europe in a big way.. or is that just me?

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Oct 19 2011 17:16

I think everyone of us is craving for it and pushing in that direction, mate. Right now in Spain we have the calm that precedes the storm, me thinks, due to the next elections and the resistible rise of the partido popular, which shows again that most of the spaniards are still hooked on parliamentary politics. On the other hand the massive saturday demos show that clashes are to be expected as the non-violent approach it's quickly showing itself more and more as a running on the spot thing.

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Oct 19 2011 18:16

A comment from Richard Seymour's blog Lenin's Tomb. RS may have got it from the Guardian's live feed, but I'm not sure:

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Had it not been for militants from the immensely disciplined communist party forming a human chain around the parliament, it is likely that the seething mass would have attempted to storm the building early on. As it was, clashes broke out as soon as riot police started firing tear gas to keep the crowds at bay with hundreds of protesters physically pushing their way up to the great marble steps of the parliament building itself.
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Oct 19 2011 18:18

So, the communist party stopping the people storming the parliament?

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Oct 20 2011 01:07

some fucking communists they are...

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Oct 20 2011 07:28

Bunch of videos from yesterday:

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Oct 20 2011 11:01
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El PAME (KKE) ha convocado para hoy concentracion a las afueras del parlamento Griego. Los miembros del PAME (totalmente ausentes en otras ocasiones y en otras tomas de la plaza y de las calles alrededores, incluso ayer), hoy han decidido proteger el parlamento. Han hecho cadenas humanas con palos de madera y cascos, alrededor del parlamento. Lo (no tan) sorprendente, es que han dado la espalda al parlamento y a los antidisturbios.

No permiten a la gente (que no esta con el PAME), acercarse al parlamento. Declaran que no van a permitir a nadie que se acerque.

En la ciudad de Ioannina, miembros del PAME atacaron contra gente de otros bloques, mandando algunos al hospital.

Esto quita las ultimas dudas que tendria alguien sobre el papel que ejerce el KKE.

En la ultima foto, miembros del PAME "protegiendo" la valla policial en la calle lateral del Parlamento. No dejan a la gente acercarse. Incluso se les pide en algunos periodistas su DNI profesional, para dejarles pasar.

This was posted up on the Greek thread on alasbarricadas. The photos show PAME members protecting parliament today.

Athens News: Second day of general strike as parliament votes

Athens News: Live news blog, Oct. 20

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13.05 Members of the Communist-backed Pame union mean business with the human chain they have formed around parliament. They are letting no one through the cordon in front of parliament and are even demanding that journalists present their professional ID in order to be let through. The question is, of course, under what legal authority they are acting.

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12.35 People tweeting from Syntagma are saying that demonstrators are urging protesters assocated with Pame, who have formed a human chain around parliament, to allow more people enter the square. For its part, Pame has told the General Confederation of Greek Labour (GSEE) that hooded youths must not be allowed enter the square as part of its demonstration.

 

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Oct 20 2011 11:55

Once again, signs of the so called "anti cuts movt" fracturing. I think it would be reasonable to expect similar developments in Italy, Spain and even the UK if things continue to escalate.

What were the (stated) reasons behind KKE's move? How popular is the urge to 'defend democracy'? How popular is the (implicit) belief that the 1 million odd in Syntagma Sq were fascistic?

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Oct 20 2011 12:11

PAME are out again today doing the same, probably don't want that state that they intend to 'capture' being damaged right....

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Oct 20 2011 12:25
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14.59 The clashes are escalating. Molotov thrown into Stalinist crowd.

14.52 Clashes continue as protestors try and reach the parliament. The clashes are severe, flares shot straight into the crowd.

14.47 Generalised clashes between hundreds of anarchists and Stalinists in Syntagma. Stones, bottles and flares are thrown. Protestors trying to break through PAME lines to reach the parliament.

14.44 A huge anarchist block now attacking Stalinist lines. They are face to face by the Great Britain Hotel in Syntagma. Police firing teargas.

Ufff. This is looking bad in many ways. But as it now seems, their situation there in the recent times is like a cold civil war (I'm not talking about the anarchist vs. stalinists, but the society as such), flaring up time to time as friction grows. Comrades over there, keep on, but stay safe!

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Oct 20 2011 14:05

http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2011/10/20/live-updates-from-the-general-strike-october-20/

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16.56 Unconfirmed: media is reporting possibly one person dead from the earlier clashes.

16.38 Police lined up around the square, looks like they are getting ready for another attack.

16.35 Report from Greek Indymedia: while the anti-authoritarian/anarchist groups were fighting with the pame security forces at the upper side of the syntagma square, riot cops tried to attack them from the lower side. Then people from base syndicates, ultra left (a trotskyist group called EEK), the union of workers who support drug addicts and other demonstrators blocked the riot cops and this way helped the anarchists who were fighting the stalinists.

16.21 Large groups have started occupying the lower side of syntagma square and numbers are growing, coming in from the side streets. Syntagma square is full again with PAME members at the upper side in front of the parliament and the other demonstrators (base syndicates, union groups, ultra-left, anti-authoritarians) at the lower side.

16.09 Thousands of members of PAME in front of the parliament. Police pulled back from the lower parts of Syntagma, smaller groups of anti-authoritarians, base syndicates and ultra left entering the square. Most union demonstrators still blocked in the side streets.

more news on http://en.contrainfo.espiv.net/2011/10/20/greece-october-20th-constant-updates/

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Oct 20 2011 14:32
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16.56 Unconfirmed: media is reporting possibly one person dead from the earlier clashes.

according to more recent information by Occupied London and Contra Info not true

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Oct 20 2011 14:45

Some things never change, I guess. Stupid red fascist cunts. Also, to everyone in Greece, I hope you're safe!

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Oct 20 2011 15:41

http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2011/10/20/53-year-old-demonstrator-dead/

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53-year old demonstrator Dimitris Kotsaridis dies from police chemical warfare

LATEST UPDATE, 18.26: The 53-year old demonstrator was a member of the stalinist union, PAME. His name was Dimitris Kotsaridis. It is officially confirmed by the hospital’s report that the 53-year old carried no head injuries as originally reported, and that he has died from inhaling an excessive amount of tear-gas shot by the police.

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Oct 20 2011 16:52

Cue media stories of evil anarcho-fascists murderous attack on loyal communist defenders of Greek democracy and society.

Plus ça change...

Clashes between the stalinists and the rest of the left, anarchists included, have been going on for years, if not decades. But still, in the current climate, the backlash that will certainly come from this may well have a damping effect similar to the death of the 3 bankworkers last year. In these situations, the rights and the wrongs are irrelevant compared to the emotional response produced through the media discourse and popular conversation in public spaces (work, cafes, bars, etc).

What the result will be, we will have to see. But it seems unlikely that the immediate response will be greater class cohesion or sense of shared identity.

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Oct 20 2011 21:38

A lovely bit of of revisionism from the Morning Star:

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Violent anarchist thugs attacked peaceful protests in Athens today as tens of thousands of Greeks rallied outside parliament before the vote on despised new austerity measures demanded by creditors.

As the second day of a general strike paralysed the country, more than 50,000 peaceful demonstrators flooded Syntagma square. Trade union and Communist Party supporters had set up a cordon in front of Parliament to prevent MPs from entering to vote, but riot police moved in to break it up. Later in the day, the peaceful protesters came under attack by people who threw petrol bombs, stones, paint and clubs in an attempt to break the remaining cordon. Riot police used tear gas to break up the assault. At least 10 people were treated by medics, many for facial injuries.

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Oct 21 2011 07:49
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Trade union and Communist Party supporters had set up a cordon in front of Parliament to prevent MPs from entering to vote

That could be true I guess?

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Oct 21 2011 08:28
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Trade union and Communist Party supporters had set up a cordon in front of Parliament to prevent MPs from entering to vote

That could be true I guess?

Truly disgusting. The Greek Communist Party (KKE) is the last unreconstructed Stalinist party in Europe. And they are brutal fucking thugs, as bad or worse than the cops.

Yesterday, on the last day of the 48-hour general strike, a KKE member died of a heart attack in the battles with anarchists and other groups opposed to further austerity legislation just passed in Parliament. All this as the KKE union front PAME linked arms and defended the front of the Parliament Building at Syntagma Square. They obviously are angling for more seats in the next election.

Here's the story in Athens News

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Oct 21 2011 09:42
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Trade union and Communist Party supporters had set up a cordon in front of Parliament to prevent MPs from entering to vote

That could be true I guess?

Truly disgusting. The Greek Communist Party (KKE) is the last unreconstructed Stalinist party in Europe. And they are brutal fucking thugs, as bad or worse than the cops.

Yesterday, on the last day of the 48-hour general strike, a KKE member died of a heart attack in the battles with anarchists and other groups opposed to further austerity legislation just passed in Parliament. All this as the KKE union front PAME linked arms and defended the front of the Parliament Building at Syntagma Square. They obviously are angling for more seats in the next election.

Here's the story in Athens News

LAOS also applauded the actions of PAME/KKE in parliament yesterday - fascists/cops/stalinists united against the whole movement. And also its to be clear that PAME/KKE were attacking everyone including normal citizens. In retaliations last night 3 offices of the KKE in Thessaloniki were attacked by anarchists.

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Oct 21 2011 09:52
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A lovely bit of of revisionism from the Morning Star:

Innit, I'm refusing to touch copy on the international desk atm.

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A lovely bit of of revisionism from the Morning Star:

Innit, I'm refusing to touch copy on the international desk atm.

Any possibility of you writing a statement on this? I mean as a person working there? I am not saying you agree with it at all but it may be quiet good to show there is dissent within Morning Star or is this not a good idea?