Hamas And The Holacaust

Submitted by red and black riot on 19 May, 2008 - 19:12.

This is a copy of a post from the Green Brigade website:

http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/17672

We are not engaged in a religious conflict with Jews; this is a political struggle to free ourselves from occupation and oppression
May 18, 2008 By Bassem Naeem
Source: UK Guardian

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As the Palestinian people prepare to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the Nakba ("catastrophe") - the dispossession and expulsion of most of our people from our land - those remaining in Palestine face escalating aggression, killings, imprisonment, ethnic cleansing and siege. But instead of support and solidarity from the western media, we face frequent attempts to defend the indefensible or turn fire on the Palestinians themselves.

One recent approach, which seems to be part of the wider attempt to isolate the elected Palestinian leadership, is to portray Hamas and the population of the Gaza strip as motivated by anti-Jewish sentiment, rather than a hostility to Zionist occupation and domination of our land. A recent front page article in the International Herald Tribune followed this line, as did an article for Cif about an item broadcast on the al-Aqsa satellite TV channnel about the Nazi Holocaust.

In fact, the al-Aqsa Channel is an independent media institution that often does not express the views of the Palestinian government headed by Ismail Haniyeh or of the Hamas movement. The channel regularly gives Palestinians of different convictions the chance to express views that are not shared by the Palestinian government or the Hamas movement. In the case of the opinion expressed on al-Aqsa TV by Amin Dabbur, it is his alone and he is solely responsible for it.

It is rather surprising to us that so little attention, if any, is given by the western media to what is regularly broadcast or written in the Israeli media by politicians and writers demanding the total uprooting or "transfer" of the Palestinian people from their land.

The Israeli media and pro-Israel western press are full of views that deny or seek to excuse well-established facts of history including the Nakba of 1948 and the massacres perpetrated then by the Haganah, the Irgun and LEHI with the objective of forcing a mass dispossession of the Palestinians.

But it should be made clear that neither Hamas nor the Palestinian government in Gaza denies the Nazi Holocaust. The Holocaust was not only a crime against humanity but one of the most abhorrent crimes in modern history. We condemn it as we condemn every abuse of humanity and all forms of discrimination on the basis of religion, race, gender or nationality.

And at the same time as we unreservedly condemn the crimes perpetrated by the Nazis against the Jews of Europe, we categorically reject the exploitation of the Holocaust by the Zionists to justify their crimes and harness international acceptance of the campaign of ethnic cleansing and subjection they have been waging against us - to the point where in February the Israeli deputy defence minister Matan Vilnai threatened the people of Gaza with a "holocaust".

Within 24 hours, 61 Palestinians - more than half of them civilians and a quarter children - were killed in a series of air raids. Meanwhile, a horrible crime against humanity continues to be perpetrated against the people of Gaza: the two-year-old siege imposed after Hamas won the legislative elections in January 2006, which is causing great suffering. Due to severe shortages of medicines and food, scores of Palestinians have lost their lives.

It cannot be right that Europeans in general and the British in particular maintain a virtual silence toward what the Zionists are doing to the Palestinians, let alone supporting or justifying their oppressive policies, under the pretext of showing sympathy for the victims of the Holocaust.

The Palestinian people aspire to freedom, independence and peaceful coexistence with all their neighbours. There are, today, more than six million Palestinian refugees. No less than 700,000 Palestinians have been detained at least once by the Israeli occupation authorities since 1967. Hundreds of thousands have so far been killed or wounded. Little concern seems to be caused by all of this or by the erection of an apartheid wall that swallows more than 20% of the West Bank land or the heavily armed colonies that devour Palestinian land in a blatant violation of international law.

The plight of our people is not the product of a religious conflict between us and the Jews in Palestine or anywhere else: the aims and positions of today's Hamas have been repeatedly spelled out by its leadership, for example in Hamas's 2006 programme for government. The conflict is of a purely political nature: it is between a people who have come under occupation and an oppressive occupying power.

Our right to resistance against occupation is recognised by all conventions and religious traditions. The Jews are for us the people of a sacred book who suffered persecution in European lands. Whenever they sought refuge, Muslim and Arab lands provided them with safe havens. It was in our midst that they enjoyed peace and prosperity; many of them held leading positions in Muslim countries.

After almost a century of Zionist colonial and racist oppression, some Palestinians find it hard to imagine that some of their oppressors are the sons and daughters of those who were themselves oppressed and massacred.

Palestinians had nothing to do with the Holocaust but find themselves punished for someone else's crime. But we are well aware and warmly welcome the outspoken support for Palestinian rights by Israeli and Jewish human rights activists in Palestine and around the world.

We hope that journalists in the west will begin to adopt a more objective approach when covering events in Palestine. The Palestinian people are being killed by Israel's machine of destruction on a daily basis. Nevertheless, we still see a clear bias in favour of Israel in the western media.

The Europeans bear a direct responsibility for what is befalling the Palestinians today. Britain was the mandate authority that handed over Palestine to Israeli occupation. Nazi Germany perpetrated the most heinous crimes against Jews, forcing the survivors to migrate to Palestine in pursuit of safety. We, therefore, expect the Europeans to atone for their historic crimes by restoring some balance to the inhuman and one-sided international response to the tragedy of our people.

Bassem Naeem is the minister of health and information in the Hamas-led Palestinian administration in Gaza.

19 May, 2008 - 19:36

I thought this was a very good and interesting article but would like an explanation as to why a spokesman for Hamas described the massacre of Israeli school children as heroic, thats if it was reported accurately.

19 May, 2008 - 20:53

Because Hamas are fucking scumbags with no regard for human life.

19 May, 2008 - 20:54
xeirecorex wrote:
Because Hamas are fucking scumbags with no regard for human life.

19 May, 2008 - 23:55

because Hamas is not homogenous and its members can have different beliefs and opinions, and is a political organisation so at times it suits its purposes to use different rhetoric and to support different actions.

20 May, 2008 - 08:38
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Because Hamas are fucking scumbags with no regard for human life.

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because Hamas is not homogenous and its members can have different beliefs and opinions, and is a political organisation so at times it suits its purposes to use different rhetoric and to support different actions.

Jef wins.

20 May, 2008 - 09:59

I recently saw a documentary on Hamas. They have become unpopular with their authoritarian policies on the Palestinians, which have included barring worship outside of some Mosques in dealing with political issues. I suggest you look for the documentary it if your interested in Hamas/Palestine. Its sad to see that Hamas is the alternative to Fatah, seeing as though Fatah is barely a strong representative of the Palestinian people.

20 May, 2008 - 19:34

I would have thought that waging civil war on half the Palestinian population in Gaza would be a bit less popular than the rezoning of a few Mosques. But what would I know?

20 May, 2008 - 19:55

I can't see how Fatah these days has anything in common with the Palestinian people, after all noone has voted for them. But I agree about Hamas, they are the only alternative in Palestine. This is why many on the left want to support them, the opinion being that Palestinians have no self-determination and so the only thing we can do is to support Hamas in any way we can.

20 May, 2008 - 19:57
treeofjudas wrote:
I would have thought that waging civil war on half the Palestinian population in Gaza would be a bit less popular than the rezoning of a few Mosques. But what would I know?

thats not at all how I remember things but I'm not a Zionist.

21 May, 2008 - 00:03
red and black riot wrote:
treeofjudas wrote:
I would have thought that waging civil war on half the Palestinian population in Gaza would be a bit less popular than the rezoning of a few Mosques. But what would I know?

thats not at all how I remember things but I'm not a Zionist.

Did you just accuse him of being a Zionist?

21 May, 2008 - 01:10
xeirecorex wrote:
Because Hamas are fucking scumbags with no regard for human life.

xeirecorex ha ha ha ha ha ha you punk

21 May, 2008 - 15:42
australianirishcatholic wrote:
I recently saw a documentary on Hamas. They have become unpopular with their authoritarian policies on the Palestinians, which have included barring worship outside of some Mosques in dealing with political issues. I suggest you look for the documentary it if your interested in Hamas/Palestine. Its sad to see that Hamas is the alternative to Fatah, seeing as though Fatah is barely a strong representative of the Palestinian people.

What was the documentary called?

21 May, 2008 - 15:48
guydebordisdead wrote:
red and black riot wrote:
treeofjudas wrote:
I would have thought that waging civil war on half the Palestinian population in Gaza would be a bit less popular than the rezoning of a few Mosques. But what would I know?

thats not at all how I remember things but I'm not a Zionist.

Did you just accuse him of being a Zionist?

I'm simply pointing out that thats how Zionists think. He certainly sounds like one. And I can't even say it without questions being asked, pathetic. i don't see why I'm having to explain myself at all. Just waiting now for the jew baiting accusations.

21 May, 2008 - 16:07
red and black riot wrote:
guydebordisdead wrote:
red and black riot wrote:
treeofjudas wrote:
I would have thought that waging civil war on half the Palestinian population in Gaza would be a bit less popular than the rezoning of a few Mosques. But what would I know?

thats not at all how I remember things but I'm not a Zionist.

Did you just accuse him of being a Zionist?

I'm simply pointing out that thats how Zionists think. He certainly sounds like one. And I can't even say it without questions being asked, pathetic. i don't see why I'm having to explain myself at all. Just waiting now for the jew baiting accusations.

When I saw you were from greenbrigade it raised a flag alright, they support all sort of bizarre anti-working class idiocy over there. Hamas have nothing to do with working class or communist politics. People who cheerlead them are doing the Palestinian working class no favours. In before strawman; fatah are just as bad.

21 May, 2008 - 16:19
red and black riot wrote:
guydebordisdead wrote:
Did you just accuse him of being a Zionist?

I'm simply pointing out that thats how Zionists think. He certainly sounds like one.

you don't know him very well, do you

21 May, 2008 - 18:10
newyawka wrote:
red and black riot wrote:
guydebordisdead wrote:
Did you just accuse him of being a Zionist?

I'm simply pointing out that thats how Zionists think. He certainly sounds like one.

you don't know him very well, do you

He lives in Israel and doesnt like Hamas, he is obviously a Zionist. roll eyes

21 May, 2008 - 19:23
red and black riot wrote:
treeofjudas wrote:
I would have thought that waging civil war on half the Palestinian population in Gaza would be a bit less popular than the rezoning of a few Mosques. But what would I know?

thats not at all how I remember things but I'm not a Zionist.

Neither am I, but this:

Palestinian fighting 'will burn all of us,' official says (CNN)
Hamas hails 'liberation' of Gaza (BBC Online)
Fatah-Hamas conflict (Wikipedia)
Hamas' Shock and Awe (Electronic Intifada)
Report: Infighting claimed lives of 161 Palestinians (EI)
Gaza's hard place between Israeli and Palestinian violence (EI)
is not Zionist propaganda.

Sure, the IDF is better at killing Palestinians than Hamas, but does that absolve the latter? They've definitely shown more skill in killing their "brothers" than in killing any Zionists in the past couple of years.

21 May, 2008 - 19:25
Refused wrote:
xeirecorex wrote:
Because Hamas are fucking scumbags with no regard for human life.

21 May, 2008 - 19:26
guydebordisdead wrote:
newyawka wrote:
red and black riot wrote:
guydebordisdead wrote:
Did you just accuse him of being a Zionist?

I'm simply pointing out that thats how Zionists think. He certainly sounds like one.

you don't know him very well, do you

He lives in Israel and doesnt like Hamas, he is obviously a Zionist. roll eyes

I heard that in a recent demo (that amounted to a few dozen people at the most) there was a kind of slogan war between the Pro-Hamas faction (centered around Gush Shalom) and the Pro-Fatah faction (centered around CPI). roll eyes

21 May, 2008 - 19:47

don't like that hamas

22 May, 2008 - 20:39
treeofjudas wrote:
red and black riot wrote:
treeofjudas wrote:
I would have thought that waging civil war on half the Palestinian population in Gaza would be a bit less popular than the rezoning of a few Mosques. But what would I know?

thats not at all how I remember things but I'm not a Zionist.

Neither am I, but this:

Palestinian fighting 'will burn all of us,' official says (CNN)
Hamas hails 'liberation' of Gaza (BBC Online)
Fatah-Hamas conflict (Wikipedia)
Hamas' Shock and Awe (Electronic Intifada)
Report: Infighting claimed lives of 161 Palestinians (EI)
Gaza's hard place between Israeli and Palestinian violence (EI)
is not Zionist propaganda.

Sure, the IDF is better at killing Palestinians than Hamas, but does that absolve the latter? They've definitely shown more skill in killing their "brothers" than in killing any Zionists in the past couple of years.

I'm not on the side of Hamas as such, I'm just undecided. And this is probably because one of my comrades puts forward very good arguments regarding supporting/being in favour of national liberation movements, particularly against the Israeli state. However I am wary of this as I don't really like the idea of supporting religous parties let alone secular ones. Your view on recent events in Palestine/Israel seems very odd though and does come across to me as Zionist propaganda, anyway will read your links.

22 May, 2008 - 21:26
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particularly against the Israeli state.

why single out the Israeli state?

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Your view on recent events in Palestine/Israel seems very odd though and does come across to me as Zionist propaganda, anyway will read your links.

Only if you regard criticism of Hamas and/or Palestinians as zionist. Which it clearly isn't. You should analyze Hamas through the lens of class, and then you will understand better where ToJ is coming from.

23 May, 2008 - 01:59
Khawaga wrote:
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particularly against the Israeli state.

why single out the Israeli state?

ditto.

23 May, 2008 - 08:51
red and black riot wrote:
Your view on recent events in Palestine/Israel seems very odd though and does come across to me as Zionist propaganda...

In what way?

23 May, 2008 - 15:25
newyawka wrote:
Khawaga wrote:
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particularly against the Israeli state.

why single out the Israeli state?

ditto.

Probaably because it has been allowed to get away with evrything you can imagine since 1948.

23 May, 2008 - 15:29

And as such you should support hamas?

23 May, 2008 - 15:29
treeofjudas wrote:
red and black riot wrote:
Your view on recent events in Palestine/Israel seems very odd though and does come across to me as Zionist propaganda...

In what way?

Well, You put the blame more on Hamas than Israel, when if Israel and Fatah hadn't attacked Hamas in the first place and refused to talk or acknowledge Hamas (like the US too) then there wouldn't be so much trouble.

23 May, 2008 - 15:30

I am talking about what happened in the West bank and also what happened right from the off, when Hamas were elected by the Palestinians.

23 May, 2008 - 15:32
red and black riot wrote:
treeofjudas wrote:
red and black riot wrote:
Your view on recent events in Palestine/Israel seems very odd though and does come across to me as Zionist propaganda...

In what way?

Well, You put the blame more on Hamas than Israel, when if Israel and Fatah hadn't attacked Hamas in the first place and refused to talk or acknowledge Hamas (like the US too) then there wouldn't be so much trouble.

Yeh, Hamas are reasonable guys. Just misunderstood. Definitely have the interests of the palestinian working class at heart.

23 May, 2008 - 16:14

In purely aesthetic terms, that is such an awesome picture.