Korea: General strike

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KOREA: GENERAL STRIKE AND INTERNATIONAL DAY OF SOLIDARITY

Yestaday (16 November) was an international day of solidarity with the embattled South Korean labour movement and also the occasion a huge general strike there.

You'll find complete coverage of the day's events in Korea here:

http://www.labourstart.org/cgi-bin/show_news.pl?country=Korea

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wow

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I really want to know more about contemporary struggles in korea. Any ideas where I can find out more?

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Hmm. All our South Korea stuff is here, which ain't much: http://libcom.org/tags/south-korea

the labourstart Korea link was posted above - that's generally the best place to get up to date news (but usually from crappy sources).

Not sure about other places to be honest.

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Some 1,000 farmers, laborers and college students engaged in a pitched battle with police when they tried to break into the municipal building in Gwangju, Jeolla Province.

Gwangju = Kwangju?

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good to see they didn't 'learn their lesson' then! red n black star

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awesome stuff, anyone got any more?

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you know, looking at that picture...

interesting thing about fights during protests and strikes and stuff is, you go back to ancient military tactics. i mean, look at them! fighting in formation, shields over their heads "locked" together (or close as they can manage in the situation). it's like a giant version of the old roman turtle shell formation! but it seems like neither protestors nor cops ever seem to commit themselves too strongly into these tactics though, and it comes out very sloppy... could be something which more militant protestors might want to keep in mind.

on another thought: wonder if those suits the cops are wearing are fire retardant? tongue

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You're right about the ye olde military tactics. Which is why movies like Gladiator shit me so much - two big armies meet in battle but it's a series of individual sword fights, fucking ridiculous. Troy did it much better.

Not sure what you mean about neither side committing too much. Unlike the Roman legions they don't have swords or spears so they can't easily kill/severely wound their opponents, not that I'd want to take a baton to the head. Actually apparently even in old times battles were fairly bloodless pushing matches until one side broke and ran and then they'd get slaughtered cos humans find it much easier to kill when they can't see the eyes. For eg Alexander the Great only lost 600 men in battle despite conquering most of the known world because his army never broke. If you're interested in this check out the book "On Killing" by a US Army psychologist called Grossman.

Korean riot cops are pretty underequipped - their face shields are a sort of grille rather than the thick plastic on most other riot cops I've seen - so their suits may not be fireproof. They're mostly conscripts and there're heaps of them - 40000 in Seoul alone so the state probably doesn't care too much.

The riot cops in Australia, the US and Canada that I've seen tend to be big steroid/speed crazed guys in their mid-20s to mid-30s that would be scary enough on their own unarmoured whereas the Koreans were all teenagers, maybe big for Koreans but only scary cos there were thousands of them. Even a protest by old women (former "comfort women" I presume) that I chance upon in Seoul was attended by hundreds of riot cops.

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Not sure what you mean about neither side committing too much. Unlike the Roman legions they don't have swords or spears so they can't easily kill/severely wound their opponents, not that I'd want to take a baton to the head.

well, what i meant is that they seem to fight somewhat half-heartedly, and often, the formations are done kind of sloppily. i mean, look at the formation of the cops in the pic above... a bunch of them in the mass have their shields over their heads as is logical, but basically only on the left side. the rest are just sitting there with shields down, waiting to get a molotov on the head eek while the cops dont have the gear (or, hopefully, intent) to wade in and completely crush their opponents, their gear seems to put the advantage greatly on their side. i'd think they could push the other side back (and, ideally, break them). especially since protestors usually have crappy protection (the guys in the picture look like they dont have any armour at all), generally poor weapons which wouldnt be massively effective on the well-armoured cops(though i'd be intimidated by the fire poles they've got there!), and often seem to fight in a kind of... unorganized horde.

but what kinda gets to me is that, considering that the cops seem to be kind of sloppy in their handling of things, i imagine that, with some good organization and clever strategy, protestors could probably utterly *trounce* the cops (perhaps not in every fight, but, you know). of course, i'm thinking there are lots of other factors messing around here (a bunch keep popping into my head), so... dont put much weight on what i said embarrassed

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Actually apparently even in old times battles were fairly bloodless pushing matches until one side broke and ran and then they'd get slaughtered cos humans find it much easier to kill when they can't see the eyes.

yeah, i've been seeing this more and more, as i read more about military history. it baffles me to hear about major battles between armies of tens of thousands having only, say, hundreds or so casulties until one side retreats, and then you get a bloodbath. i'd never considered the idea of being better able to kill someone without seeing their eyes... the sort of psychological factor involved. but, i also think a major thing about what makes the killing of a retreating force much more effective is that the retreating force is focusing on *retreating*, rather than fighting (much harder for someone to defend him/herself by swinging around whatever weapon they have behind their back). they might realize they're getting picked off badly in the retreat, but fear that if they consolidate and try to put up a good defence, the enemy could end up completely overtaking them and cutting off all chance of further retreat... so they keep running till their pursuers stop, or they fall from exhaustion or wound. (exhaustion'd be another big thing in it, especially since a pursuing army could eventually stop their regular troops once they're tired and have the retreating opponents harassed for a while longer by their faster forces, ie cavalry).

as a final note: if i find that book in a bookstore, i'll definitely check it out! (alexander must've lost more than 600 troops, though in all his campaigns!)

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as a final note: if i find that book in a bookstore, i'll definitely check it out! (alexander must've lost more than 600 troops, though in all his campaigns!)

Just quickly, gotta get some sleep. It's been a few years since I read that book but I think 600 was the figure he mentioned. Alexander certainly lost more troops than 600 but it would've been mostly from disease. As late as WW1 there were campaigns with more casualties from disease than combat.