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Dec 17 2019 20:48
Labour Transformed-deeply disturbing

Labour Transformed is a new post-Corbynista Labourist organisation made up of Novara Media and The World Transformed , etc. See how they plan to coopt social movements and turn leading militants within it into advocates/candidates for Labour, a similar scenario to how Syriza subverted the Greek social movements
https://labourlist.org/2019/12/what-went-wrong-on-december-12th-answers-...

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Dec 18 2019 03:17
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We support meaningful direct action. By this we mean whatever activity increases the confidence, the autonomy, the initiative, the participation, the solidarity, the egalitarian tendencies and the self-activity of the working class and whatever furthers its political consciousness.

https://labourtransformed.org/post/foundational-principles/

Sounds familiar? Has someone been reading old Solidarity?

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Dec 18 2019 04:57

It would not surprise me. "Novara Media" already claims to be "autonomists" and influenced by the "operaismo" movement. But in reality it is like they just take the more modern "culture war" ideas from people like Bifo, the actual working-class and its militancy don't seem to matter.

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Dec 18 2019 10:44

One of the main people behind this is apparently ex-Plan C, so that's propably where the misappropriated Solidarity reference comes from.

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Dec 18 2019 11:00

Whoever it is, a shame they seem to have got stuck on "as we see it", it seems like going one step further and reading "as we don't see it" might do them a bit of good. Or indeed just going back and reading "as we see it" but not skipping over point 4, come to think of it.

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Dec 18 2019 11:26

And as R Totale recommends above with preferably mark 2 of both those texts as here:
https://libcom.org/library/Revisions
Even the old UK Solidarity group for all it's faults would be squirming over that lot.

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Dec 18 2019 11:41
Dyjbas wrote:
One of the main people behind this is apparently ex-Plan C, so that's propably where the misappropriated Solidarity reference comes from.

Also, ex-WOMBLES, ex-anarcho-primitivist, ex-council communist etc.

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Dec 18 2019 14:45

Ah, great, the anarcho liberals have a new vehicle from which they can chastise and shame anyone that doesn’t fall in line with their deluded orthodoxy.

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Dec 18 2019 17:11
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Also, ex-WOMBLES, ex-anarcho-primitivist, ex-council communist etc.

Oh d'you mean the fellow who spent his weekend at Fast Forward this year making an absolute tit of himself moaning about everything and has spent most of the last 24 months whinging about anarchists being too negative/not being able to read the popular zeitgeist?

Between him and Novara's hilarious attempt to "learn lessons" by variously suggesting maybe "we" (not "they") should be building rep with the rednecks* and ditching calls for free movement it's been a right old shit-show this week.

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*As a former countryside lad "throw the rednecks a bone" is what I hear whenever London media pundits start pretending to give a fuck about the countryside — as though they've ever seen a cow outside a walking holiday or have *any* intention of personally committing to recovering socialism outside cities.

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Dec 22 2019 14:48

Here are the notes from the inaugural meeting of Labour Traumatised:

https://labourtransformed.org/post/inaugural-meeting-notes/

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Dec 22 2019 19:11
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As this is an attempt to build a new organisation, this next meeting will not be open to members of pre-existing democratic-centralist revolutionary organisations

Hmmm....

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Dec 24 2019 01:17

The standard "Trotskyists, please go away" clause

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Dec 28 2019 09:19
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We support meaningful direct action. By this we mean whatever activity increases the confidence, the autonomy, the initiative, the participation, the solidarity, the egalitarian tendencies and the self-activity of the working class and whatever furthers its political consciousness.

https://labourtransformed.org/post/foundational-principles/

Sounds familiar? Has someone been reading old Solidarity?

Holy shit. They pretty much plagiarized it. Been a while since I read it, but to my memory it seems nearly word for word.

Normally I wouldn't care about that, if they were actually sticking to the spirit of the document they plagiarized rather than betraying it.

Ok, I just googled the "As We See It" document. Here's what it says:

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Meaningful action, for revolutionaries, is whatever increases the confidence the autonomy, the initiative, the participation, the solidarity, the equalitarian tendencies and the self-activity of the masses and whatever assists in their demystification.

Damn, that's close.

R Totale wrote:
Whoever it is, a shame they seem to have got stuck on "as we see it", it seems like going one step further and reading "as we don't see it" might do them a bit of good. Or indeed just going back and reading "as we see it" but not skipping over point 4, come to think of it.

Fuck reading point 4, they could have just finished reading the sentence that they plagiarized! If their goal really is to steer social movements towards the Labour Party, that's some hardcore mystification right there!

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Dec 28 2019 15:22
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Normally I wouldn't care about that, if they were actually sticking to the spirit of the document they plagiarized rather than betraying it...
Fuck reading point 4, they could have just finished reading the sentence that they plagiarized! If their goal really is to steer social movements towards the Labour Party, that's some hardcore mystification right there!

Yeah, and what's wild is that, as far back as 1972, they (Solidarity, not this lot) had already felt the need to write "As We Don't See It" as a follow-up document precisely for the benefit of people who insisted on completely misreading the original one.

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When, in 1967, we first published As We See It we felt it would be both accurate and a fairly concise summary of our views. Alternatives had been discussed and every possible effort had been made to avoid ambiguities. We thought we had produced a fairly explicit text, acceptance of which should be the basis of adherence to a Solidarity group.

Over the years we have come to realize that we were wrong. There was either something the matter with the document - or with some of those who read it. Or perhaps there was something the matter with us - for having thought the text was self-explanatory. Radicals repeatedly told us that they agreed with every word of the statement ... and in the next breath asked us why we were not doing faction work in the Labour Party...

Because the traditional parties cannot be "reformed", "captured", or converted into instruments of working class emancipation - and because we are reluctant to indulge in double-talk and double-think - it follows that we do not indulge in such activities as "critically supporting" the Labour Party at election time, calling for "Labour to Power" between elections, and generally participating in sowing illusions, the better at a later date to "take people through the experience" of seeing through them. The Labour and Communist Parties may be marginally superior to the Conservative Party in driving private capitalism along the road to state capitalism... But we are not called upon to make any choice of the kind: it is not the role of revolutionaries to be the midwives of new forms of exploitation. It follows that we would rather fight for what we want (even if we don't immediately get it) than fight for what we don't want ... and get it...

7. This section [the one quoted by Labour Transformed] is perhaps the most important and least understood of the whole statement. It is the key to how we view our practical work. It defines yardsticks with which we can approach everyday political life and rationally use our mental and physical resources. It explains why we consider certain questions significant while others are dismissed as non-issues. Within the limits of our own coherence, it explains the content of our paper.

Because we do not consider them of particular relevance to the attitudes and aptitudes we seek to develop, we do not get worked up about such matters as parliamentary or trade union elections (getting others to do things for one)...

The more things change, the more they stay the same, etc.

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Dec 28 2019 19:35

I'd like to ask what Libcom posters think will be in store for the Novara Media operators. I guess that they do have a stake in the business of Labour Transformed?

Also, now that Corbyn is dead in the water, what will the future hold for the likes of Owen Jones, Aaron Bastani and Ash Sarkar? Will they be perceived as still relevant in the eyes of the media?
I guess that depends on who will be the next leader of the Labour Party?

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Dec 28 2019 18:38

Well, considering all their recent hard work, a well deserved holiday should be their priority. I’d like to suggest some exotic location that is easily accessed via the Bermuda Triangle!
Seriously though, I think Jones is pretty well established, and I think Sarkar was on Have I Got News For You the other night though it may have been a repeat. Maybe they’ll flatline for a bit but I predict they’ll be fully established mainstream figures at some point. Sorry, it’s a depressing thought, eh?
Personally, I find these putrid fucks more repugnant than any of the Eton crew - they help drive the march of the zombie liberals, make claims to radicalism that are about as opaque as glass crystal and perpetuate the authoritarian hive mind of the anti working class liberal left.
I wish a pox on them but I suspect cushy editorships and high salary BBC jobs are far more likely.

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Dec 28 2019 19:26

They'll probably follow David Graeber in becoming BBC pet leftists wheeled out as required for Question Time & Radio 4 etc.

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Dec 29 2019 19:51
Battlescarred wrote:
Labour Transformed is a new post-Corbynista Labourist organisation made up of Novara Media and The World Transformed , etc. See how they plan to coopt social movements and turn leading militants within it into advocates/candidates for Labour, a similar scenario to how Syriza subverted the Greek social movements
https://labourlist.org/2019/12/what-went-wrong-on-december-12th-answers-...

depressing stuff, pretty bizarre strategy in 2019 though, the radical left is tiny as are 'social movements and anarcho-etc'scene'', i mean that might have made some sort of sense during occupy or the student protests etc but right now its pretty thin pickings for frontism

seems more like an attempt to cobble together a strategy to seem relevant rather than anything coherent, hence the plagiarism etc

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Jan 1 2020 17:10

So how do "revolutionaries" who post on Libcom propose to win back militants from the Corbynite Labour party milieu or, if the ones lost in Labour are beyond salvation, winning, inspiring and developing a new generation of young militants who are not snared in the parliamentary road to socialism? All I see on Libcom is "bitching" about Novara types without any serious new alternative proposals.The blood loss over the past few years (to the Labour party and Scotland yards special branch) has been considerable and has, imo, lead to the "death" of the "revolutionary left" as we know it (well that and the over night collapse of the London anarchist book fair).

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Jan 1 2020 18:12

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Bitching about Novara Media types? Why the fuck not? They are disingenuous, anti working class authoritarians that sought to hysterically shut down anybody that questioned their orthodoxy during the run up to the election. So yes, I’ll bitch about them.
If all you see on Libcom is bitching about these people then you need to look a bit harder, for example...

https://libcom.org/blog/every-challenge-can-be-overcome-6-ideas-getting-...

So what are YOU suggesting? I hope not, but is it continuing along the path of reformism with Labour Transformed? Though continuing is perhaps the wrong term - the dead end was reached decades ago and all that’s really happened is that the ‘radical’ liberals have marched on the spot and shone a light on whoever the Messiah of the day is. Yeah, I know Blair is castigated now, but I haven’t forgotten many of the current bunch(who are now disposing of Corbyn) shouting about how Blair was the greatest opportunity we’ll ever have.
Fucking hell, this whole episode has been so breathtakingly cringey that were I to ‘bitch’ for the rest of my life it wouldn’t even begin to cover the depth of my disdain for those that preached from on high for yet another capitalist emperor whilst dog piling anybody that spoke out of turn.

Edit: I realise that my comment is a little aggressive - I don’t mean to attack you or anyone else really, it’s just my best attempt at expressing how furious this whole episode has made me.
Anyways, I know nothing about you, I dare say you’re doing more than I am(not difficult), so sorry if it seems as though I’m making ill judged assumptions.

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Jan 1 2020 18:20

Awesome Dude is a sound guy, I always enjoy talking with him, which happens every few years.

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Awesome Dude is a sound guy, I always enjoy talking with him, which happens every few years.

Yeah, I’m sure, so once again sorry for my aggressive comment. You understand though, right? Lol, triggered to fuck!!!

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So what are YOU suggesting? I hope not, but is it continuing along the path of reformism with Labour Transformed?

I'm not advocating support for the dilettante Phd students who write for Notes from Below or their opportunistic attempt, by initiating Labour Transformed, to fool activists in Momentum that might be seeking a home for their radical political positions (or increasing revolutionary tendencies).

My own position, on the Labour party and it's supporters, is closer to the views expressed in this excellent pamphlet that I believe was authored by comrade Bob Miller (a.k.a Knightrose on Libcom) formerly of Subversion group (1980s) and AF North:

Labouring in vain: a critical history of the Labour Party

But I suppose the problem is that while there are a good number of militants who predicted the current plight of the Corbynites, for number of reasons not taken seriously enough by British militants (such as active counter-subversive measures by the secret state) we just have'nt been in a position to effectively propagandise our ideas or offer a pole of attraction to any new working class militants seeking to escape the parliamentary road to socialism.

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Jan 13 2020 21:31

I swear April Fool's Day comes earlier every year: https://blackroselabour.uk/about/

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Jan 13 2020 22:00

Just saw this myself.
I would write it off as a farce — but these days — I guess anything goes.

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Jan 13 2020 23:35

On twitter they seem to imply a connection with the LSC of the DSA, and it does feel a bit like an Americanization or internet-ification(which is dominated in large part by the US) of radical politics. Their "reading list" is very spread-out and most of it does not seem compatible with entering into the Labour Party. Their only motion under the "motion" tab is one about wanting like the same drug laws as Portugal...

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We aim to promote extra-parliamentary workplace and tenant organising among the membership, as well as community organising. We believe the party should adopt worker ownership as the centrepiece of its policy offer, as well as the libertarian stances we are putting forward at Conference.

More of the vague talk about organizing but no apparent strategy...

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Jan 14 2020 06:16

Their website has the same template as the DSA-LSC. Very, very strange, and if I were part of Black Rose in the US I'd be pretty shitty with them that they're using that name.

Also, from their website, "civilian's rights?" The fuck is that?

https://blackroselabour.uk/motions/

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Motions

Lobbying for a more libertarian approach from the Labour Party means leveraging all the democratic mechanisms available to us. The main one of these is Party Conference.

We aim to get two motions debated and passed at Conference 2020

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Civilian's Rights

Coming soon.

Ah...

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Jan 14 2020 07:41
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"I swear April Fool's Day comes earlier every year"

Well, that's just the way it is.

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Jan 14 2020 15:15

So a kind of 'anarchist entry-ism' to compete with the Trots?

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Jan 14 2020 19:52
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So a kind of 'anarchist entry-ism' to compete with the Trots?

I was thinking along these lines - bearing in mind the ban on the AWL, expulsion of various Trot activists, etc, it would presumably be pretty simple for the Labour Party's Trotfinder General or whatever they're called to put a similar ban on this formation and expel anyone publicly identified with it. Except I'm not sure they'd bother, they might just not see it as enough of an issue to be worth dealing with.
Anyway, I enjoyed how the reaction to their formation announcement seemed to be split down the middle between people who'd never heard of libertarian socialism being baffled by the idea of libertarian socialism, and people who had heard of libertarian socialism being baffled by the idea of LSists being in the Labour Party. Also, this made me laugh.

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Jan 14 2020 20:40
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So a kind of 'anarchist entry-ism' to compete with the Trots?

Could be the other way around, while trot entryism is a well documented, over the years I've noticed a sort of counter tendency where people join the party, have their illusions shattered by its reality, but through its proximity to the "left" are exposed to other ideas and develop along them, but it takes awhile (sometimes never) for them to break off.

Apart from the Communist Party of Britain most people I've met in the UK who tell me they're Communists or Leninists and aren't Trotskyites have been long standing members of the Labour party. And so was the two Maoists. And several years a go a member of the local labour party who subscribed to the Weekly Worker and described himself as a democratic communist joined the Anarchist federation, stayed in both for about two weeks then ditched both to join the Socialist Party of England and Wales because they agreed to send him to something called Cadre school.

I suspect given how closely its copying the DSA libertarian group and how incoherent the sites content is, this might be a one person band or very small group of people who have just discovered this stuff, like it a lot but haven't really thought it through, yet.

I'd say this thing will probably burn out long before it gets to be a problem for the labour party's internal organs, unless it taps into a lot of other frustrated party members.