multimillionaire recuperator "situationist" businessman Tony Wilson has died
Sep 24 2007 11:51
#152
jef costello wrote:
Hand washing is actually quite fun.
I'm not sure if I would really want to do all my washing that way though.
Of course you would - as should people hospital equipment cleaners. The feel of the soap will make them feel more alive.
Sep 24 2007 12:04
#153
Joseph K. wrote:
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He's mocking people who fake 'working class' accents which is no bad thing, although I'd be interested to hear his accent.yes, but then he goes on about 'almost every genuine proletarian londoner' having a certain accent. i mean london's got a large percentage of foreign-born workers for starters, as well as internal migrants and i'd guess a fair few people whose relation to capital is several degrees removed from determining their accent.
so he seems to be mocking people who fake a 'working class accent' whilst affirming such a thing exists (which in the sense of class as a relation to capital not a set of cultural signifiers, i'm pretty skeptical about).
Well he's obvously either not from London or has not listened to anyone else from London because there are loads of accents within London and, as you say, they don't have a direct link to class.
Sep 24 2007 17:01
#154
Of course there's a relationship between accent and class - it's not an absolute, but to dispute the relationship is absurd. It's neither solely cultural or solely economic.
Sep 24 2007 17:13
#155
Yes, take Alan for example. His accent shows him to be the authentic Londoner.
Sep 24 2007 17:17
#156
Never having heard Alan, your comment is fairly meaningless to me - but I thought the topic was class accents - not London authenticity.
Sep 24 2007 17:51
#157
I actually agree with you really.
Altho no more than people from better off backgrounds are more likely to associate with people from better off backgrounds who they'll pick their accent up from (as well as their parents, of course). And also better off parents are probably more likely to berate their kids for not talking proper.
Sep 24 2007 18:24
#158
Jack wrote:
Yes, take Alan for example. His accent shows him to be the authentic Londoner.
It's funny, cos I have (actual) London mates who say I have an Essex accent. And then everyone in Mexico says I speak Spanish with a Spanish (as opposed to English) accent. I haven't spoken a word to Belfast in several years, not since I lived in Colchester actually, so I dunno what he's talking about. And Conor wouldn't recognise a London accent if it simulated anal rape on him (sorry, I mean, fought him at MMA). As for you, your voice is literally fucking horrible and probably the reason the anarchist movement sucks.
Sep 24 2007 18:42
#159
Alan wrote:
As for you, your voice is literally fucking horrible and probably the reason the anarchist movement sucks.
It's what an authentic Brighton accent should sound like. 
Sep 24 2007 19:24
#160
It's definitely an accent deserving of Brighton, or someone who wishes to associate with Brighton.
Sep 24 2007 20:08
#161
As Henry Higgins put it, almost a century ago, in George Bernard Shaw’s play ‘Pygmalion’ (which is about class and accent): “The moment an Englishman opens his mouth, another Englishman despises him.”
Sep 25 2007 08:48
#162
"Enry Iggins" you posh bastard.
Sep 25 2007 22:12
#163
As Dick Van Dyke (or Guy Ritchie) would tell you, it's "Enery" .
yes, but then he goes on about 'almost every genuine proletarian londoner' having a certain accent. i mean london's got a large percentage of foreign-born workers for starters, as well as internal migrants and i'd guess a fair few people whose relation to capital is several degrees removed from determining their accent.
so he seems to be mocking people who fake a 'working class accent' whilst affirming such a thing exists (which in the sense of class as a relation to capital not a set of cultural signifiers, i'm pretty skeptical about).