New ICC section in Brazil?

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alibadani
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Jul 5 2007 04:13
New ICC section in Brazil?

OK, how did I miss this news? When did it happen?

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Jul 5 2007 11:57

There will be an article in the next WR. A comrade from Brazil was integrated at the ICC congress in May, making a 'nucleus' of a section rather than a section. At the same time we will continue working with OPOP (who participated at our congress, along with the Korean SPA, the Turkish EKS and, in writing, the Philippine group Internaysialismo) and other groups in Brazil.

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Jul 9 2007 21:46

Alibadani, here is the link to the article: http://en.internationalism.org/wr/306/brazil-nulceus

lem
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Jul 10 2007 00:11

you know i think it might be the icc that is sometimes accused of being fascistically moral cult. what does anyone think of such a statement?

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Jul 10 2007 00:54

lem the ICC are obviously not fascists.

lem
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Jul 10 2007 00:58

i assumed it was a metaphor. sorry, i must have misunderstood and the article in question was actually referring to fascists.

the icc know that i am ok with them and that tho, i hope.

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Jul 10 2007 03:35

here is the statement of Internasyonalismo in the Philippines on the ICC nucleus in Brazil:

Greetings to the new ICC nucleus in Brazil!

The Internasyonalismo group in the Philippines is happy to know that an ICC nucleus has been formed in Brazil. This is of great inspiration to us.

Lula’s Brazil has been a mouthpiece of the Filipino leftists as model for ‘workers struggle’. Lula’s ascendant to power in the capitalist Brazilian state for two consecutive terms including Chavez in Venezuela are models for the Leftists in the Philippines on the ‘Leninist” concept of ‘revolutionary parliamentarism’.

Generally, there is commonality between the Philippines and Brazil on the influence of leftism in the workers movement. Indeed, probably the mystifications of parliamentarism in Brazil weight heavily than in the Philippines. Yet, the number of workers there that questioning the politics of leftism and moving towards left communism is increasing.

Maybe the nucleus in Brazil began their theoretical clarifications years ago despite the suppression of the Brazilian state. Eventually it advances because the workers are gradually advancing also.

We are confident that the Filipino workers also will accelerate their class awareness and expose the bankruptcy of all variants of leftism as what many of the Brazilian workers did that eventually resulted in forming the ICC nucleus under the ‘workers government’ of Lula.

Brazil’s nucleus is not only an inspiration of the left communists in the Far East (mainly Philippines and Korea) to continue their theoretical clarification and intervention but also in the whole world. This is only a confirmation that as decadent capitalism entered its phase of decomposition, more and more workers will appear questioning and condemning the system and all its apologists -- the leftists -- and secreting from itself new generation of revolutionary minorities worldwide.

The Brazilian workers as part of the international class is a significant fraction. With the further development of the ICC nucleus there, there fraction could greatly help in advancing the internationalist and independent workers movement not only in Latin America but also globally.

INTERNASYONALISMO
July 10, 2007

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Jul 10 2007 03:49
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Brazil’s nucleus is not only an inspiration of the left communists in the Far East (mainly Philippines and Korea) to continue their theoretical clarification and intervention but also in the whole world. This is only a confirmation that as decadent capitalism entered its phase of decomposition, more and more workers will appear questioning and condemning the system and all its apologists -- the leftists -- and secreting from itself new generation of revolutionary minorities worldwide.

Does nucleus mean one guy?

ICC wrote:
The central organ should rather be seen as the nucleus of the cell which co-ordinates the metabolism of an organic entity.
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Jul 10 2007 10:16
MJ wrote:
Does nucleus mean one guy?

Yes.

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Jul 10 2007 11:09
MJ wrote:
Does nucleus mean one guy?

Well, Alf stated very clearly:

Alf wrote:
There will be an article in the next WR. A comrade from Brazil was integrated at the ICC congress in May, making a 'nucleus' of a section rather than a section. At the same time we will continue working with OPOP (who participated at our congress, along with the Korean SPA, the Turkish EKS and, in writing, the Philippine group Internaysialismo) and other groups in Brazil.

As I read this, it states that one person has joined the ICC. Indeed, I don't really see anyother way to understand it. You have to start somewhere.

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Brazil’s nucleus is not only an inspiration of the left communists in the Far East (mainly Philippines and Korea) to continue their theoretical clarification and intervention but also in the whole world. This is only a confirmation that as decadent capitalism entered its phase of decomposition, more and more workers will appear questioning and condemning the system and all its apologists -- the leftists -- and secreting from itself new generation of revolutionary minorities worldwide.

Yes, to me this language seems a bit over the top, and full of hyperbole. It is not from the ICC though. It is from 'the Internasyonalismo group in the Philippines'. They may well have been unaware that this 'nucleus' is only one person, and the owing to the meta-structure of their language, this may have sounded less ridiculous in the original*

MJ wrote:
ICC wrote:
The central organ should rather be seen as the nucleus of the cell which co-ordinates the metabolism of an organic entity.

Where?

Devrim

*When translating texts from Turkish to English is quite usual for us to break a Turkish sentence down to three, or four English ones. Turkish sentences, are generally longer than English ones. A 'direct' translation would end up looking very long winded in English. Also, for people who don't have direct experience of 'working' in English, it is normal to look up a word they don't know the English for in a dictionary, and pick out a very strange sounding translation in English. The Turkish States official propoganda in English, for example, is hilariously badly written.

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Jul 10 2007 11:15
ICC wrote:
We would like to inform our readers about the creation of an ICC nucleus in Brazil. This will contribute significantly to the development of the political presence of our organisation in the most important country in Latin America – a country which has the biggest industrial concentrations in this region and some of the biggest internationally. There also exists in this country a milieu of proletarian political groups and of elements drawn towards revolutionary positions. We have already mentioned in our press and on our website in Portuguese about the Workers’ Opposition (OpOp), including the following events: the holding of joint public meetings and the publication of a common statement on the social situation; the publication on our Portuguese language site of an account of a debate between our two organisations on historical materialism; and texts by the OpOp which we consider to be of particular interest. As an expression of this mutual interest, OpOp also participated in the work of the 17th Congress of our section in France and the 17th International Congress.

In Sao Paulo there is also a group in formation, influenced by the positions of the communist left. We have recently established regular political relations with this group, including joint public meetings.

We obviously hope that our collaboration with these groups will be increasingly close and fruitful. This perspective is not at all in contradiction with our aim of developing the specific political presence of the ICC in Brazil. On the contrary, our permanent presence in this country will make it possible to strengthen the collaboration between our organisations, all the more so because between our nucleus and the OpOp there is already a long shared history, based on mutual respect and confidence.

The creation of our nucleus is the concretisation of work that the ICC began over 15 years ago. This work has intensified in recent years through the contacts we have made with different groups and elements, and through the holding of public meetings in different cities, some of which – those held in the universities- have been extremely well attended. For us this is not the end of a process but a significant step in the development of the positions of the communist left on the South American continent. Far from being a Brazilian exception, this event is part of the same phenomenon of the appearance of groups all over the world, which is the product of the revival of struggles on a world scale and of the tendency of the working class to give rise to revolutionary minorities.

Devrim

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Jul 10 2007 11:57
Devrim wrote:
MJ wrote:
ICC wrote:
The central organ should rather be seen as the nucleus of the cell which co-ordinates the metabolism of an organic entity.

Where?

http://en.internationalism.org/specialtexts/IR033_functioning.htm

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Jul 10 2007 16:16

guydebordisdead, unfortunately we do not have anyone in Ireland, however, we have been sending to the bookshop in Dublin for decades I think, so it is great news to here from someone who has gained access to our publications though it. However, this does not mean we cannot answer any questions you may have about what we say, you can pose them here or directly to us via our website: http://en.internationalism.org/

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Jul 10 2007 16:32

The question of translation is important and the The Internasyonalismo group statement could appear a little over-enthusiastic, but behind this is a very passionate enthusiasm for Left Communist politics. This passion for the current increase in the influence of Left Communist positions internationally is inspiring given the fact it is arising in the East and in circumstances where Left Communist positions have not been known before. The comrades also make important points about the similarity of the weight of Leftism in Brazil and where they are. Comrades should not forget that these comrades have only recently come across Left Communist Positions and are over joyed to find that there is a proletarian answer to the strangle hold of leftism. We should not underestimate how powerful and stimulating that is.

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Jul 10 2007 16:34

Understood. cool

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Jul 11 2007 03:27
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The question of translation is important and the The Internasyonalismo group statement could appear a little over-enthusiastic, but behind this is a very passionate enthusiasm for Left Communist politics. This passion for the current increase in the influence of Left Communist positions internationally is inspiring given the fact it is arising in the East and in circumstances where Left Communist positions have not been known before. The comrades also make important points about the similarity of the weight of Leftism in Brazil and where they are. Comrades should not forget that these comrades have only recently come across Left Communist Positions and are over joyed to find that there is a proletarian answer to the strangle hold of leftism. We should not underestimate how powerful and stimulating that is.

Thanks ernie. We might not be good in writing in english as many in Europe do not know how to understand Filipino language. But we were able to express our enhusiasm about the new nucleus of ICC in Brazil (even if it is only one person as many people said). What matter is in a country where leftism has strong influence like Brazil, there are increasing workers there as here in the Philippines questioning the politics of leftism and having interest in studying left communism. This is the essence of the Internasyonalismo statement.