i'm not sure what the point is, given as it will provide an excuse for witch hunts ... i mean i don't know the context, but given as when radicals aren't doing this stuff state agents often have to do it themselves (strategy of tension etc), i'm generally of the view it's counter-productive at worst and pointless at best.
Rocket hits US embassy in Athens
Yeah it's pretty pointless. I would've thought it's more likely to be some leninist group than anarchist seeing it's a rocket attack. Why do you think it was anarchists?
(And if it was anarchists it'd probably be similar ones to the ones who bombed the social anarchists' office)
The BBC article says its a group called Revolutionary Struggle, and try and link them to the disbanded N17 group. They describe them with words like "anarchic".
I understand they do things differently in Greece, but I don't think its the way to go about things personally and doesn't have much to do with that I think of as anarchist politics.
More info about them here:
http://www.tkb.org/Group.jsp?groupID=3672
Described here to have anarchist tendancies too. Although part of me does like this, I think that it may give the state excuses to "Clamp Down" on radical left wingers, not neccesarily violent ones either. I do not know how positive/negatively this would be percieved by people, that is also a factor on whether i think this was a good move or not. Things are very different in greece, but I do not really know whether it is more positive or negative for radical left wing/anarchist movements, therefore i am unsure initially if this is good or not. I'll look into it more to make a more informed decision on the matter.
Hrm. I don't shed any tears for the embassy, nor do I have a problem with anarchists firing rockets at things, but I've got to question what the aim of this was...seems a little pointless from an outsiders view, although maybe there's something local that I'm missing out on.
Asher wrote:
Hrm. I don't shed any tears for the embassy, nor do I have a problem with anarchists firing rockets at things, but I've got to question what the aim of this was...seems a little pointless from an outsiders view, although maybe there's something local that I'm missing out on.
They did just start showing Dharma and Greg at prime time...
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Refused wrote:
John. wrote:
They did just start showing Dharma and Greg at prime time...It went downhill after the car crash, in my opinion. Especially with Finklestien getting a job as a security guard.
Maybe then they'll nuke the embassy.
More likely is that the Church of Greg will declare war on the People's Front of Dharminians.
I'm just glad no-one was injured. I find such actions revolting. I'd like to remind you people that most of the workers in evil American embassies are locals. But even if they weren't, they're still workers. Terrorising the working class is the job of bourgeois politics, and that's the only way I can find to look at this rocket attack.
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treeofjudas wrote:
I find such actions revolting. I'd like to remind you people that most of the workers in evil American embassies are locals.No need to take that tone, no-one's celebrating it.
Oh, really? Who are these, then? Non-entities?
Durruti wrote:
I recon its just a bday present to for me
I dont think violence is a good thing, but i have to say this has made me a happy panda lol.
Sam wrote:
Although part of me does like this
Asher wrote:
I don't shed any tears for the embassy, nor do I have a problem with anarchists firing rockets at things
I didn't feel like there was enough condemnation from others, either. So, yeah, I think the use of that tone was justified.
treeofjudas wrote:
I'm just glad no-one was injured. I find such actions revolting. I'd like to remind you people that most of the workers in evil American embassies are locals. But even if they weren't, they're still workers. Terrorising the working class is the job of bourgeois politics, and that's the only way I can find to look at this rocket attack.
Were they actually aiming for workers? Says in the article that they were aiming for the US eagle embelm. If they had the intention of killing people who happened to work at the embassy then this is a completely different matter. I don't know if their intention was just to damage the embassy or to actually kill innocent people. I know they have killed in the past (Not sure if they were innocent people or specific targets) and i do look upon that negatively, especially when it is innocent people. I said that there are parts of this i like, which is true, mainly being that they damaged the US embassy, i am not into the group that did this though, seems like they fit more of the "Mental Anarchist" tendancy.
newyawka wrote:
treeofjudas wrote:
most of the workers in evil American embassies are locals. But even if they weren't, they're still workers.it's important to remember this, many forget it and praise things like 9/11, though i know no-one here is doing that.
There were some fuckwits at the London Anarchist Bookfair this year selling t-shirts of a plane going into the twin towers with a Nike swoosh, and the slogan "just do it."
Unutterably despicable pricks.
the button wrote:
newyawka wrote:
treeofjudas wrote:
most of the workers in evil American embassies are locals. But even if they weren't, they're still workers.it's important to remember this, many forget it and praise things like 9/11, though i know no-one here is doing that.
There were some fuckwits at the London Anarchist Bookfair this year selling t-shirts of a plane going into the twin towers with a Nike swoosh, and the slogan "just do it."
Unutterably despicable pricks.
Actually I was speaking to the person who designed that t shirt and they explained it. It's actually making a sophiscated point about 9-11 and the commodity, the Just Do It! is meant to show that the spectacular violence of 9-11 is rooted in the day to day of commodity production, the order to war, to massacare, rooted in the naturalised violence of everyday wage labour and consumption.
treeofjudas wrote:
Refused wrote:
treeofjudas wrote:
I find such actions revolting. I'd like to remind you people that most of the workers in evil American embassies are locals.No need to take that tone, no-one's celebrating it.
Oh, really? Who are these, then? Non-entities?
Durutti wrote:
I recon its just a bday present to for me
I dont think violence is a good thing, but i have to say this has made me a happy panda lol.Sam wrote:
Although part of me does like thisAsher wrote:
I don't shed any tears for the embassy, nor do I have a problem with anarchists firing rockets at thingsI didn't feel like there was enough condemnation from others, either. So, yeah, I think the use of that tone was justified.
i celebrate anything against mr bush´s government. You cant avoid dead people putting in practice revolutionary thoughts,but i dont like it either.
revol68 wrote:
actually when it was put like that then it's fair enough, no? I mean surely communists would be in favour of an analysis that roots war and terrorism in the day to day violence of capital?
Assuming just for a moment you aren't taking the piss...
No of course it's not fucking fair enough. Whatever the 'analysis' behind it, it's a fucking picture of a plane hitting the world trade centre, with the words 'Just do it' under it. Do you really think someone in the street is going to look at it and think "Oh wow, they really cut to the heart of the commodity relation their with their sophisticated linkage sophisticated between the spectacle and perpetual war'?
No, they're going to think you're a cunt with a pro-9/11 t-shirt on. And hopefully bottle you.
But hopefully you're taking the piss, because I think an idiot who was that thick as to not realise would be even worse than someone who did just want to celebrate it.
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Jack wrote:
Fuck I hope that's true!
What a fucking moron.
actually when it was put like that then it's fair enough, no? I mean surely communists would be in favour of an analysis that roots war and terrorism in the day to day violence of capital?
It's obvious revol's taking the piss Jack.
Treeofjudas - I think this action's pretty stupid, but it was done at 5 something in the morning, it seems clear the perpetrators tried to avoid hurting anyone.
Durruti wrote:
i celebrate anything against mr bush´s government.
Isn't that a bit simplistic? Whats so special about Bush's government?
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You cant avoid dead people putting in practice revolutionary thoughts,but i dont like it either.
Perhaps not, but doing something which has a very high chance of injuring people which has no obvious positive outcome to further "revolutionary thoughts" is hardly the best way to go about it.
edit// ok it was 5 at the morning - but the general point still stands.
Jack wrote:
revol68 wrote:
actually when it was put like that then it's fair enough, no? I mean surely communists would be in favour of an analysis that roots war and terrorism in the day to day violence of capital?Assuming just for a moment you aren't taking the piss...
No of course it's not fucking fair enough. Whatever the 'analysis' behind it, it's a fucking picture of a plane hitting the world trade centre, with the words 'Just do it' under it. Do you really think someone in the street is going to look at it and think "Oh wow, they really cut to the heart of the commodity relation their with their sophisticated linkage sophisticated between the spectacle and perpetual war'?
No, they're going to think you're a cunt with a pro-9/11 t-shirt on. And hopefully bottle you.
oh the much fabled man in the street. Well fuck the man in the street, fuck him up his whitey arse. What's the cunt doing in the street? Is he going somewhere? Is he shopping? Is he aware of how he reproduces the violence of 9-11 everyday as he walks off to work, him and the rest of the drones who prop up the system.
The man in the street is a clueless cretin just waiting to get hit by a bus!
hey guys, thought it would already be on these boards, but it seemed greek anarchist, attacked the american ambasy last night.
I recon its just a bday present to for me
I dont think violence is a good thing, but i have to say this has made me a happy panda lol.
here it goes .. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6254399.stm
What do you guys think about these actions?