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now, humour my bored/paranoid mind, but has anyone else noticed the spate of stories about russia spying/assassinating/torturing all of a sudden?

and Iran seems to have gone from an immediate nuclear threat to our existence ("they've got WMD i tell ya!") to non-news (since they talked about talks to stabalise Iraq?)

so why the sudden demonisation of Russia? i mean they've done far worse in Chechyna etc with much less fuss, and the very fact it is taken as a given that states kill their enemies in Russia's case says a lot, it would never be considered by the media if a prominent govt critic died mysteriously here.

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I think it is a good thing that Russia gets more flak. It is becoming more and more fascist, Chechnya is just horrific, rising anti-semitism and racism in general, economic catastrophe for working class Russians, mob running economic life etc.

Still, no clue as to why this is happening now. Maybe because of the assassination of Politskovaya? Because of cental asia?

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yeah i dunno. The Economist recently said, and not flippantly, that russia was sliding into fascism, so maybe they're just breaking the rules of 'the international (liberal-bourgeois) community' and being called out accordingly.

you're right though, the situation does look pretty bleak for the russian working class neutral

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Joseph K. wrote:
yeah i dunno. The Economist recently said, and not flippantly, that russia was sliding into fascism, so maybe they're just breaking the rules of 'the international (liberal-bourgeois) community' and being called out accordingly.

Yeah exactly they're going too far. After all, Russia still has to show the world how much better capitalism is than "communism"...

You want bleak for the russian working class? Check this out sad

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You want bleak for the russian working class? Check this out :(

yeah i saw that. fractured working classes do some pretty crazy shit sad

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Well spotted JosephK!

As for reasons, the Russians trying to hold Europe to ransom over gas supplies might have something to do with it. Also, the return of pro-russian influence in former soviet republics like the Ukraine is probably a factor.

I don't think there's really been much of a change in orientation in the Russian ruling class since Putin came to power. They're no more or less "fascist" now than they were a few years ago.

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The media has been reporting quite a bit about Russia recently, this report being the latest:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6169242.stm
I cannot really figure out why they are talking about this, it all built up after Politkovskaya. The Russian state has acted in a very overt way that i have not seen before, did anyone watch newsnight a couple of days ago, they showed some filming of someone critical of putin getting tranquilised with a syringe or something which was quite unpleasent to watch, i think that happened a few years ago, i think that russia has been fascist for some time, there has been quite a few documentaries about this, mainly on more 4, but i have not really heard of any of its fascist actions for any prolonged amount of time as this on the mainstreem media. At least the mejority of people know now, the gas might prove a good enough shield though from any big international condemnation.

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Yeah I think the gas and Ukraine stuff (which are linked anyway) might well be a part of it.

fwiw I know one of the chefs at that posh Japanese restaurant he got poisoned at pretty well, and I've eaten a fair bit of food he's cooked (not at the restaurant, I'd have to declare bankruptcy afterwards), pretty sure it wasn't him wot did it wink.

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Nah they don't think it was at the restaurant; think it was a hotel earlier.

The "Bulgarian dissident" who's been mentioned as well, who got killed with the poisoned umbrella in the 70s, was he an anarchist or something? Or was some bulgarian anarchist in London meant to have disappeared?

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Georgi Markov, he was a defector. He was working at BBC Bulgarian Service at ther time, he wrote plays and books and was doing his memoirs at the time.
Described here as Bulgaria's Solzhenitsyn

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The reason is simple: inter-imperialst contradictions.
Vestern Bissnes and states have problems with Russia.
Russia control gas and petrol. It's to importent and to independent. Russia use that for increasing of economicle and politicle power. There is the same problems as with Irak in the pust, and with Iran and Venesuella todey.
In addition Russia is selling weapons to Iran, Venesuella, end China. That means Russia suport all burgua states who are in opposition to NATO.

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Agree with magidd and Demorgorgon - Russia is being demonised because it is increaingly following an 'indepedent', more assertive role in its foreign policy -part of the increasing 'mutipolarisation' of imperialist rivalries.

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...I had noticed this, but I disagree with the Joseph's OP where he states that Iran has been dropped as a threat by the liberal media.

Iran is very much still considered a threat, and I now seriously think that a strike is imminent, most probably by Israel (as a proxy for a US too tied up in Afghanistan and Iraq to prosecute a war on another front). Foreign policy circles are now discussing the likely fallout of this happening, with the fact of it happening taken as read.

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Ping, i agree - look at the date of the OP, which was in a seeming hiatus when Iran just disappeared from the news.

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ah! Sorry mate

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de nada mate, i think magidd bumped the post when he spotted it (which is fair enough, obviously)

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Re Russia: the poisoned one was a spy and a killer himself, probably blackmailing someone important. He made public what was suspected; that the FSB (KGB) were involved in the Moscow bombings but probably wasn't killed for this because it was common knowledge. The Russian leadership (apart from just after 1989 when Russia was "stabilised" by the Russian Mafia), has come from the KGB - just like strong elements of the US leadership have come from the CIA. Yeltsin was the only exception in Russia and he was the KGB's gopher.
On Iran, an attack has to be a possibility and what a plunge into the abyss that would be. There are presently US battleships and minesweepers patrolling the Iranian coast in the Gulf, but not enough to pose an immediate threat.
To underline the "multipolarisation" (Alf) of imperialist rivalries, then the space attack by China last week represents a ratcheting up and a clear indication of the tendency for each imperialist nation, large and small, to contribute to the overall threat.

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god fucking help us if those numpties in the White House decide to go fucking about with Iran, as Marx said the ruling class is most dangerous when it doesn't know how to act in it's own interest.

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God help us indeed. Problem is the dynamic is pushing American remorselessly in that direction. It may not happen for a few years, but the recent offensive in East Africa shows the US is utterly determined to continue its policy of intervention, regardless of dangers of destablising whole regions.

No-one disputes such a war would be profoundly irrational, but this is the nature of war in modern capitalism and the nature of the system itself.

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god fucking help us if those numpties in the White House decide to go fucking about with Iran

oh they will. the recent electoral setbacks for ahmadinejad (sp) will be rhetorically employed to show that the "iranian people want democracy", the US is only acting in their name, spreading freedom...

but this could be avoided - really - wait for it - by not electing the wrong president. seriously. kucinich, e.g., actually wouldn't touch it. yes i know that that doesn't jibe with the capitalists-pull-strings-like-the-wizard-of-oz theory, but there you are. of course, kucinich won't get elected. but mccain or clinton might, and they'd do it. tho' israel might toss a bomb, US permission or no.

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Russia (and China) are imperialist powers competing with the United States. Russia and China have been opposing U.S. imperialist interests in the Middle East. However, Russia is much weaker than China though, and so its being targetted. China has a much stronger position and the hands of the U.S. ruling class are tied (notice the glowing portrayals of China in the U.S. media - TIME magazine always runs a thing about chinese culture and technology, etc.). Its much more strategic to deal with Russia, indirectly attacking China.

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the latest: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/816046.html

now all they have to do is "find" nukes in iran. or not - see under "iraq".

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I agree with the general sense of all the posts but think that Daniel tends to underestimate the danger posed by China within the "new world order" of one, increasingly desperate, superpower. The relationship has always been tense between the US and China and the perspective was outlined in 1992 with the US bombing of the Chinese embassy (unheard of) in Serbia after China provided the Serbs with the coordinates for shooting a Stealth bomber down. Certainly China poses no imminent threat to US world domination but as a major player that is building up its military capacities by leaps and bounds, it poses a medium term threat in the region of south east Asia. The tensions over Taiwan (the US could not allow an invasion) and the rearmement of Japan bear witness to this. The success of its economy is built on sand, debt in the final instance, and this will only make its imperialist adventurism even sharper.

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Sorry, but missed Newyawka's bit about US elections. Don't agree with that. The role of the state is primordial and a state like the US, though increasingly reactive and irrational, lays out its war plans well above the level of "elected respresentatives", including presidents.

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Well actually I think China has a very powerful position. Not only do American capitalists rely on China for much of their production, but China also holds much of the U.S. debt.

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The relationship has always been tense between the US and China

Indeed. And now it looks like Africa is the new arena for veiled conflict between the two powers (see Is China Africa's new imperialist power? and The new American imperialism in Africa on Anarkismo). And, whilst the U.S.'s energy is focused on the Middle East, china seems to be muscling-in on "America's backyard" - south America (see ''China's Growing Involvement in Latin America''). All very interesting indeed. The success of the CCP in moving from state-capitalism to neoliberalism in astonishing.

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China is definitely flexing its muscles in Africa and elsewhere. However, the US is not taking this lying down. Its recent backing for the Ethiopian invasion of Somalia, and the proliferation of military bases (for "counter-terrorist operations") in East Africa show that its trying to reconquer strategic positions there.

China's expansion is impressive at first glance. But really, haven't we heard all of this before? We were told in the 60s that Stalinist economic expansion was a real goer. Then it was the German and Japanese models. Then the Asian Tigers and Dragons, not to mention the "Latin economy".

Just to put China's current strength in context. Nearly three fifths of its fabled exports are produced by foreign firms. Its indigenous manufacturing base is grossly inefficient and losing money hand-over-fist. Its great attraction for foreign capital is the grotesque exploitation of the workforce - but apparently Chinese planners are worried from the cheap export threat of places like Vietnam! It also has the most rapidly aging population in the world.

Its western capitalist friends are now wondering at the wisdom of the economic distortions China's exports are creating, even with the benefits of the cheap labour. They're projected - at current rates - to make over 50% of world trade by 2020. The other great powers simply cannot allow this to continue.

In fact, it's the moves by China's rivals to stem this growth that is fuelling its increasingly aggressive stance. But their military, although huge, is largely using obsolete weapons and they have little capacity to project their power globally, although this satelite test weapon is clearly an effort to overcome that and hit the US where it hurts.

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China is making good inroads economically into Africa, but the issue is whether when push comes to shove they can defend those interests. I don't think the invasion of Somalia is particularly interesting, u the rapprochement with India (in spite of longstanding ties to PAkistan) is at least in part an attempt to get a competitor to Chna into the US camp. Also India and China are still making noises of Kashmir and Tibet Amrahur Pradesh (sp?)
Fundamentally China will probably not be able to protect its interests. Russia can be bogged down with it's neighbours. The idea with Russia is a delaying strategy, sooner or later there will be a breakdown in central government and Russia will end up a bunch of de facto statelets.

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Hey Jeff

Long time, no see! Nice to have you back old chap.

I think you're probably right about Chinese overstretch. In fact, the problem is overstretch for all imperialisms but this doesn't prevent them from having to continue in that vein. You also raise an interesting point about India too.

I think that you're mistaken not to pay more attention to Somalia. It inhabits a vital strategic position on the East Africa coast and is also in the same region as Darfur, etc. It's not an accident that the US has had over a 1000 troops based in neighbouring Djibouti for some time. The Somalian conflict impinges on the interests of Kenya, Eritrea, and even some of the Gulf States with all these actors supplying arms and/or other forms of aid to both sides.

Re Russia, there are certainly powerful centrifugal tendencies at work there. Again, these tendencies are characteristic of the current period of decomposition and are felt everywhere, even in Britain (note the current "debate" about the Union and Scottish independence). Whether it will result in a further Russian collapse in the near future is to early to say, but the potential is certainly there.

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That decadence just get's everywhere, only the other week I read Paul McCarthy is naming it in his grounds for divorce and let's not forget the tensions in the Big Brother house either, we can only hope Ian from Steps comes to grasp his historical mission.

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Good that Revol's following us around with his decadencometer. A very worthwhile use of his time