Scariest video You will ever see

David UK "Platformist Anarchist"
Posts: 182 Joined: 05-09-04 Location: Reading
Submitted by David UK on 11 June, 2008 - 11:07.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpjDLutnJz0

Jess "The heart of a heartless world."
Posts: 2226 Joined: 26-11-04 Location: Brighton
11 June, 2008 - 11:10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T5_0AGdFic

Django
Posts: 374 Joined: 18-01-08 Location: Manchester
11 June, 2008 - 17:09
David UK wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpjDLutnJz0

I think this might be from a concert by Thompson, a Croation neo-nazi singer who plays to Croat communities in other countries. Big star in Croatia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson_%28band%29#Thompson.27s_music_and_football

tsi
Posts: 81 Joined: 04-04-08
11 June, 2008 - 17:22
Django wrote:
David UK wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpjDLutnJz0

I think this might be from a concert by Thompson, a Croation neo-nazi singer who plays to Croat communities in other countries. Big star in Croatia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson_%28band%29#Thompson.27s_music_and_football

most likely. the croation community centre tried to bring him here, but he was (thankfully) prevented from doing so by protest.

David in Atlanta ""crude reductionist version of marxism""
Posts: 1916 Joined: 21-04-06
11 June, 2008 - 17:22

This is actually rather amusing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXNqJSTv1BQ&NR=1

Alan "Getting drunk, playing punk on a stylophone"
Posts: 5138 Joined: 28-09-04 Location: SE4
12 June, 2008 - 02:56

This is the fuckin shit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTp1c7bUf-k

Sean Siberio
Posts: 107 Joined: 03-04-08
12 June, 2008 - 06:33

While it is troubling, and the effect, though rarely mentioned, of neo-nazi influence on the sectarian wars going on in the Balkans, I do wonder how many people in any kind of mass-event like this are actually active participants. Not that I don't think that the people there don't hold such an ideology, but how many actually actively campaign, contribute, etc?

red and black riot "You can murder the rebel but you can't murder the rebellion"
Posts: 42 Joined: 15-04-08
12 June, 2008 - 13:12

this is from 1999 but still worth watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t51dEyGf2_U

Django
Posts: 374 Joined: 18-01-08 Location: Manchester
12 June, 2008 - 13:51

I suppose this is our equivalent

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=c1lPOHQcBSM

Wicked shit. Shame the actual band are rubbish though.

Django
Posts: 374 Joined: 18-01-08 Location: Manchester
12 June, 2008 - 13:52
Sean Siberio wrote:
While it is troubling, and the effect, though rarely mentioned, of neo-nazi influence on the sectarian wars going on in the Balkans, I do wonder how many people in any kind of mass-event like this are actually active participants. Not that I don't think that the people there don't hold such an ideology, but how many actually actively campaign, contribute, etc?

Am I right in thinking Italian fascists volunteered during the war in Yugoslavia?

David in Atlanta ""crude reductionist version of marxism""
Posts: 1916 Joined: 21-04-06
12 June, 2008 - 14:45

Django, I think you're correct. I remember reading that a handful of US nazi skins volunteered as well although I don't recall for which side.

If the video in the op is a concert, i'd wonder how many people went just to hear the band with no great understanding of the ideology.It's been my experience that few people pay any attention to pop song lyrics.
Witness the brief attempt by the US republican party to coopt Bruce Springsteen's Born In The USA.

Django
Posts: 374 Joined: 18-01-08 Location: Manchester
12 June, 2008 - 15:06

I'm presuming the fascists were volunteering against the "Muslim" Albanians.

Django
Posts: 374 Joined: 18-01-08 Location: Manchester
12 June, 2008 - 15:15

Well i think theres two issues - do the people who go to these gigs know what the bands' politics are, and are they active fascists.

Given the controversy around this guy, his profile, his statements, and the fact that his fans like to dress up in WW2 era fascist gear I think its safe to say most people who go to his gigs know what the story is.

However whether they are active in a fascist movement outside of these events is another issue. I suspect theres a lot of subcultural identity politics involved. I mean some of my mates at college were anarcho-punks (before I was an anarchist) and they did fuck all politically, it was all posturing. I imagine the same happens with the right.

Still, acts like this will serve as a recruiting tool for fascist ideologies, in the same way that a lot of anarchists came into contact with the ideas through punk.

I'd be far more worried if the original post wasn't a concert.

tsi
Posts: 81 Joined: 04-04-08
12 June, 2008 - 16:37
David in Atlanta wrote:
Django, I think you're correct. I remember reading that a handful of US nazi skins volunteered as well although I don't recall for which side.

Most likely for the Croatian fascists. I also recall reading that that idiot from Death in June donated some money to Croatian fascist military hospitals at that time too and tried to disguise it as some sort of humanitarian gesture.

But definitely, if this weren't a concert it would be much more worrying. How many ppl would have showed up if it were just an ordinary fascist rally sans-pop-music???

Devrim "Enternasyonalist Komünist Sol"
Posts: 3104 Joined: 15-07-06
12 June, 2008 - 17:49

I don't think the fascists are really relevant to these things. In the recent (anti-Kurdish) crisis in Turkey, the problem was not the fascists (who are very strong in Turkey) on the whole, but mainstream nationalism mobilising workers in defence of the state. It was the trade unions organising pro-war demonstrations, not the MHP.

In Croatia, I would imagine that a Party like HDZ was mobilising many more people that some small European fascist groups.

Devrim