Statement and denouncement of the attacks against a member of the KRAS-IWA from the so-called MPST group

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Statement and denouncement of the attacks against a member of the KRAS-IWA from the so-called MPST group

The comrade was attacked in Moscow on March 28 by a group of National-"Anarchists" from so-called MPST. The MPST is according to our sister organization the KRAS, known with their nationalist etnicist statements and writings; they proclaim the "preservation of ethnic identity", declaim against the mixture of people and against the synthesis of cultures, and declare that the cosmopolitism is a "devil incarnated of capitalism". Moreover, one of the leaders of this group confessed that he agreed during his interrogation in police to
inform the authorities about social movements.

This is not the first time that members of MPST have attacked several political opponents inclusive anarchists physically. In January, they threatened also the libertarian LGBT activists. MPST spoke against
homosexuality and was demanding that LGBT should not raise their "rainbow" flag in anarchist demonstrations. After this "discussions", the LGBT activist were in fact attacked during one libertarian
manifestation.

The International Workers Association (IWA) by its Secretariat denounces the fascist and nationalist aggressors and provocateurs of MPST. The Secretariat and the Sections and Friends of the IWA
worldwide will inform all libertarian organization in the world with whom the MPST have contact, and call for a boycott not only of the MPST, but any group and any libertarian activist from the former "Soviet Union", which don`t condemn this group, such acts and those who perpetrate them!

OSLO, APRIL 3- 2013

IWA- SECRETARIAT

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The purpose of this statement is to disprove the lies and shed light on the real state of affairs in our organization.

April 8th, 2013 a statement was published on libcom.org website, condemning the activities of our group and calling for boycott MPST and other Russian anarchist organizations and individuals who does not share the position of Russian IWA section KRAS regarding our organization.

Previously, we have been encountered such groundless criticism from KRAS(members of which were in the same organization with some of us before) multiple times. Several years ago, MPST proposed to organize a mediation court because of accusations of MPST members in nationalism and collaboration with the police from the KRAS side. Then, KRAS members refused to carry out the mediation court and declared that all the organizations in Moscow anarchist community, who did not agree with them, were non-anarchist. After that incident, we have not considered KRAS declarations in our address seriously, because we have been sure, that other Russian anarchists would consider them as lies.

However, the fact that the next declaration, containing lies about our group has been published in the name of IWA Secretariat, causes serious concerns among us. We can not put up with the fact that this slander has gone international and could deceive our foreign comrades. Among other things, the fact that some KRAS members have succeeded in deceiving IWA and involuntary have pulled an international anarchist organization in their slanderous campaign, arouses our indignation.

KRAS members, who are spreading the slander about MPST, are skillful at mixing speculations and blatant lie in their declarations. They mention our organization in the context of condemnation of right-wing and national-socialist organizations to present our organization as one of these "national-anarchist" or "right-wing" organizations to the reader.

The main person, who spreads lies and slander about MPST is know as Vadim Graevsky(his real name will be sent with the copy of this letter, addressed to IWA). He has been a participant of anarchist movement for a long time, and has acquired the credit of foreign comrades. However, currently he is busy, mainly, with creating of own "leading anarchist in Russia" reputation, and abusing and slandering of those, who in his opinion, are his "competitors" or who simply does not express "the adequate honor" to him. As a result, currently, in the anarchist circles of Russia (as well as of many in Ukraine and Belarus) Graevsky is considered by all, except several supporters, as a troublemaker, who does not deserve to be believed. Nevertheless, IWA seems to be not aware of this, and Graevsky continues to use IWA's credit, which probably has been the cause of such uncritical perception of his information in the IWA.

We hope that our comrades in IWA will take information from Graevsky more critically and check its authenticity in future. "Authority", according to the principles of anarchism, can not be a criteria of rightness and grant priority in trust.

Our true position

We have wanted to describe the true positions and ideological attitudes of our group. Interprofessional Workers Union (MPST) is an anarcho-communist organization. We stand for creation of anarcho-communist society worldwide. We adhere to the principles of internationalism, i.e. we stand for unity of the workers of all nations in their struggle against capitalism, against imperialist wars, against nationalism, against any forms of racism, chauvinism or apartheid.

In our Manifesto ( http://mpst.org/o_nas/mezhprofessionalnyiy-soyuz-trudyashhihsya-kto-myi-... ) we also affirm that we are not against any particular ethnic cultures, i.e. we do not require all the people to become cosmopolitan. In the same time, we are against the ideas of superiority of some ethnic cultures over others, and against quarrel between the people of different ethnic cultures. We believe that every individual, according to ones own desire, can regard oneself as either cosmopolitan or as man of any ethnic culture. In the last case, we do not condemn such self-identification, except for cases when it is used for maintaining ideas of ethnic enmity or ethnic superiority. Any claims that MPST is a "national-anarchist" should be therefore considered as lies.

Unfortunately, there are some groups in Russia, who belongs to a so-called "national-revolutionary" wing. In the Spring 2012, during our congress, we decided that any collaboration with such groups is intolerable for our organization. Therefore, any claims stating that MPST collaborates with national-"anarchists" should be considered as lies.

In our Manifesto we stand for liquidation of all forms of oppression, including patriarchy and heteronormativity. Some participants of our organization (men and women) collaborate with anarcho-feminist groups and individuals. Therefore, any claims that MPST supports homophobia or misogyny should be considered as lies.

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Mar 2 2014 10:18

It is not the best time for answer to the liars from 3-mens-group calling themselves MPST: we are on the frontier of war and we must spend the biggest time to force contacts with the internationalists in Russia and Ukraine now. But the best answer to this lie are the citations of the members of the same MPST. They are in Russian, and we need time for translate them in English. But first we need to finish our work on anti-war declaration

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Mar 2 2014 14:22

So this is some weird shit here then innit?

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Mar 2 2014 20:36

I have never heard of the MPST. I do know that there is a dangerous influence of 'national anarchists' and even ethnically separatist 'left communists' in Russia, worming its way inside the proletarian political movement. I also know that the KRAS was the first anarchist group to really convince us (i.e as the ICC, not just as particular comrades) that there could be a genuinely internationalist anarchism. All the statements that that they have produced on Russia's wars since our first meeting in the early 2000s have confirmed their ability to stand up for working class internationalism in a very difficult and dangerous national context. The latest statement, on Ukraine, is probably the most important one they have produced to date. So in general I would 'defend the honour' of the KRAS. I would do the same for Vadim, who comes under for special attack in MPST's statement. I have met him in his home, and I have read his book on the history of anarcho-syndicalism, and I found it to be a very serious work. I also think that Vadim took an active part in the first Praxis conference we attended in Moscow, where we first encountered the KRAS. I don't know about his faults, but what I mentioned above is enough to mark him as a militant of our class.

So my first reaction to this is to state my solidarity with KRAS and with Vadim.

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Mar 2 2014 20:48

PS, I haven't discussed this with other ICC comrades so it's 'in a personal capacity' for the moment.

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Mar 3 2014 08:53

So, I begin with citations of MPST members, and the readers can make their own opinion about:

"Everything that surrounds us in city life, and indeed the capitalist system as a whole, are quite anti-ethnic. Look out the window ... how many ethnic things we see? (...) Nations don`t exist. They are product of capitalism and object of speculations of bourgeois. Ethnos is a quite other thing. And the exploiters inclusive “own native national bourgeois” don`t belong to ethnos. The bourgeois class is anti-ethnic. (...) I do not think that ethnos is a "dead" concept. What is now forgotten (as also the idea of solidarity) is not dead. (...) Long live ethnical anarchism!" (MPST member under pseudonym "Tovarish" - http://eretik.borda.ru/?1-5-0-00000004-000-0-0-1178563171)

«In my opinion, the ethnicity as such doesn`t produce deconsolidation of human beings, as also all other cultural differences not bound with contradiction of interests (f.ex. class interests). The nationalism is the enemy of ethnicity because it castrates ethnicity for Statist interests. For me, it is EXACTLY the problem. (...) I am against militant cosmopolitanism. I consider it a form of phobia, along with xenophobia (...) An interest to any culture is one thing, and the awareness of belonging to it is another thing. By the way, in my opinion, it is not about blood ties. I`m Russian not because my father is Russian, but because this is my PURE cultural (rather than biological) self-determination (...) In my opinion, the term "sympathy" does not fit here, because, again, sympathy and involvement of different concepts, which it is necessary to distinguish at the level of terms. For me, the culture of Australian Aborigines can be “sympathic”, but it does not mean that I will take it as their own. As for cosmopolitanism, then, in my opinion, the fact of constant cultural exchange between different ethnic groups does not give him any foundation, since it does not
cancel ethnic identity (...) For me, the ethnicity is not a subculture, but militant cosmopolitanism is the capitalist devil incarnate” (the same memvers under pseudonym "Sebastjano Ekologo" in the discussion mailing list of KRAS)

"our ancestries weren`t xenophobic. I cite an example from the history of Motherland. In 8th. and 9th. centuries, the Slavic Viatichs confronted aggression from Turk Volga-Bulgarians. As a result of constant wars and captures from both sides, the population from both sides of frontier became mixed, with practically equal share of Turk and Slavic blood. Nevertheless, the division between Slavs and Turks (concerning cultural belonging and SELF-DETERMINATION) not disappeared…" (the same people - http://wap.neopagan.borda.ru/?1-3-0-00000023-000-0-0)

"what really distinguishes one ethnos from another if we recognize presence of the general cultural wealth and deny value of State frontiers and "blood unity"?? It would be strange to speak about such external material displays, as kinds of clothes, the form of dwelling etc. as about something serious... Primitive views about indivisibility of people and an area of its habitation seems true to me. Really, ties between ethnic culture and the surrounding nature (if not approach to this question with snobbish neglect) play a very important role. Probably, it is not smaller, than of role of mutual relations inside of a human society... Also it is necessary to tell about a very soft "spirit of people", proving in a folk music and people`s poetics... However, this spirit does not generate any contradictions to key, perhaps, universal values... Such distinctions (by all its importance) are not connected with forming any walls between representatives of different ethnic cultures..." (the same people - http://anarhia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=396)

TO BE CONTINUED

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Mar 3 2014 08:53

Thank you, Alf

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Mar 3 2014 11:22
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we are on the frontier of war

High-School professorial-chair is the "frontier of war" now?

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Mar 3 2014 12:08

Alf,

There are some national-"anarchist" like groups in Russia, but MPST has nothing to do with them. We do neither collaborate with them, nor support or welcome such groups. We see such groups as potentially dangerous.

We support internationalist anarchism, albeit we usually do not produce such loud statements while sitting in comfortable professor chairs as some KRAS members do smile

Two members from Moscow group participated in Euromaidan events in Kiev among with other Ukrainian and Russian anarchists.

Now we condemn Russia's imperialist aggression against Ukraine, we consider it counter-revolutionary (although it is rather a bourgeois-democratic revolution).

Some seedy KRAS members seems to use the following dirty trick to denigrate our organization: they give some true information about real nationalists, chauvinistic groups (whom we condemn too), and then add their lies to their texts about MPST. For untutored readers, as well as for foreigners who have no ability to check it by seeing the situation in Russia immediately, it might look as the truth about MPST.

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Oh God, not only that MPST flowed over the entire internet to , so I have to read your lies also in English . I invite members MPST that said cooperation with the nationalists " rewarding experience " threaten objectionable violence, attack the activists working with the new right , and are now trying to fool with lies foreign comrades off the Internet and not be reminded of the existence of a howl . Honestly, you're already tired of hypocrites . Under each article published KRAS you start writing your lies and insults . That this is the same , little brown sect , and the stench from both the SS division

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I invite members MPST that said cooperation with the nationalists " rewarding experience "

Who, and when?

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Under each article published KRAS you start writing your lies and insults .

Links, please!

KRAS tends to create a good image internationally, but in Moscow anarchist community they have proven to be liars who refused to take part in mediation court regarding their rootless accusations. Then they preferred to blame every Russian anarchist activist and organization who disagree with them as fascists or new-right.

They lie to their Western comrades about situation in Russian anarchist circles. They are not "the only true internationalist anarchist organization" in Russia. They have no tight links with labor movement, newly emerged unions are under heavy influence of authoritarian left and trotskyst organizations, not anarchists. By their scandalous behavior, they destroyed the reputation of IWA and anarcho-syndicalism in Russia.

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Mar 3 2014 14:45

Admin remove name from MPST's original torrent of noxious diarrhorrea. I'm unable to report the post for some reason. Also please agree at exactly what point you're gonna ban this Nazi cunt. If we can't even get the fascists out of the Ukranian/Russian Libcom coverage then we really are fucked.

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Mar 3 2014 17:36

This ethno babble is complete SHIT and don't see how it is compatible with internationalism - except like in the same way that nationalists have their "internationals" (where they also complain about capitalism - don't you know that those people are also "anti-capitalism" complaining about the capitalist devil undermining their culture). You people fucked up so badly with this shit, you became red and brown, not red and black. And I saw how passionately a few bull-headed individuals defended that - although here you don't even comment on the statements of your comrades you were defending.

And by the way, why the fuck would anybody want "mediation" in some kangaroo court? If you were defending those positions, there is really no reason for this.

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Who, and when? [/ quote]
Here is what a member of your organization :
 
" Whatever it was , but worth the Ukrainian experience, I really am sorry for the tautology , it is difficult to overestimate. This, however, does not only honor the CDS , but it imposes additional responsibility "
http://anarchism-ru.livejournal.com/1412823.html

And he writes it by commenting on this article nationalist :
http://komuna.org.ua/?p=523

Here 's what he wrote about nationalism , another member of your organization :
" Left , or rather left- liberal ... denial of the existence of these people and the way of thinking , hysterical cosmopolitanism and secularism , a willingness to lick ass African American , just for the fact that his ass - black, do not lead to anything good » http:// shraibman.livejournal.com/823569.html

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Links, please! [/ quote]
Without reference enough. Just look at the Russian Indymedia , which seems to be no article KRAS not remain without your dirt and insults in the comments. I told you on Indymedia , and say here all articles KRAS constructive. They have a clear chain of logic and links to materials poddtverzhdayuschie their words. From you do not see any analysis or references, or arguments. Or exaggerations and lies , or just swearing . And then you have the audacity to accuse KRAS in scandals ? Yes, even here you have already offending member KRAS!

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By their scandalous behavior, they destroyed the reputation of IWA and anarcho-syndicalism in Russia. [/ quote]
You 're lying again ! Nobody poured so much dirt on the IWA , and anarcho-syndicalism in Russia as you . That you have always said that the unions do not need it you always accused IWA reformism . You throw mud years you criticize organizations and individuals . I am not a supporter of KRAS or anarcho-syndicalism , I will never agree with their position on insurrectionary anarchism and revolutionary terrorism , but I fully support KRAS against your lies and the new right-wing groups in the movement .

Here you are trying to look like victims of unjust attacks , but that the members of your organization at least twice made ​​physical attacks on other activists ! That you obvinyaete his critics of Zionism and blame the Jewish origin . You and your allies were denied access to the library and you ugrazhaete apply to this library " direct action ." In activist newsletter member of your organization says sozheleet that two of your opponents did not shoot police officers in the early 90s . Member of your organization's newsletter activist threatened " provocateurs of LGBT". You have nothing to surprise you to see everything. I go to livejournal and see as a member of your organization that threatens others with rape (you do have a sick pervert anal fixation?), then the beatings. I go on facebook and see your organization as a member ugrazhaet anarchists critical of nationalists in the Maidan , death, and said that he will personally shoot them . On Indymedia neodnokatno comment you wrote that you know your home address Vadim G. and urged him to kill . You are crazy!
Unfortunately I do not speak English and I use online translator , so I'm probably hard to understand , but I hope that other people will transfer all of your attacks and brown little articles and publish them here. After that, each will understand who you really are . This concludes our chat , discussion over.

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Mar 3 2014 23:10
Foristaruso wrote:
It is not the best time for answer to the liars from 3-mens-group calling themselves MPST: we are on the frontier of war and we must spend the biggest time to force contacts with the internationalists in Russia and Ukraine now. But the best answer to this lie are the citations of the members of the same MPST. They are in Russian, and we need time for translate them in English. But first we need to finish our work on anti-war declaration

yeah, don't worry about this for the time being, the Russian intervention in Ukraine is way more important! And I'm sure I don't speak just for myself in saying that I would take the word of the IWA over some group I have never heard of - at least for the time being

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Militant Boy,

We do not support Insarov's position on possibility of alliance with "revolutionary" nationalists, it is a decision of our organization. Author of that post says, that it does not seems worth to make alliance with the whole organization, hence it might be worth communicating with some people [who moved from nationalist to left position]. In my opinion, it is really disputable question, there are many possible dangers here. But, at the same time, CNT stayed in an anti-fascist front with Bask and Catalan nationalists during Civil War in Spain, author mentions.

Author states, that In many post-"communist" countries there are practically no libertarian left, as communism is firmly associated among the people with Stalinist- regimes of the past, so some people from left-nationalists circles might change their views, become anti-authoritarian, reject xenophobia, and become potential ally of libertarian communist. Again, it is a quite disputable question, but such opinion is not a reason to blame someone as nationalist or national-anarchist.
Author also mentions, that such alliances are useless in Russia, because libertarian left is strong enough here.

As for Russian Indymedia (which does not function for 2 or 3 years btw.): many of KRAS articles published there were really slanderous regarding MPST or some of our members. Imagine, you were under constant attack of such lies, what would you do then?

After many MPST articles published in Indymedia and other internet resources, KRAS members, mainly its Leader, used to left many slanderous comments too smile

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Mar 4 2014 11:22

Please note, what these people DO NOT DO is take responsibility for the actions of its member who is homophobic and made a physical attack related to this, nor did they distance themselves from the crazy "ethnist" views of its other member... Instead, they put a lot of energy into defending those views. Then just on top of that to say "we are not nationalists!" etc. I would like to see a link to any statement MPST has made condeming the actions of their member who made this attack and making a clear statement that they do not tolerate homophobia.

I won't hold my breath though.

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Mar 4 2014 12:17

Comrades, I don`t want comment the writings of MPST. I think, the citations above spaek for themselves. If the MPST as an organization tolerates such views inside, it makes it responsible as such.

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Mar 4 2014 12:20

And yes, we refused arbitrage between MPST and us. We don`t think that any arbitrage between us, as anarchists, and the partisans of ethnicist thinking is possible. As not possible is any "arbitrage" with every other group of "new right"

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Mar 4 2014 19:31

I am a member of MPST and that is me, who "attacked" KRAS-member as they have said in their statement.

Firstly, when I see so many tendentious comments of forum members against MPST - I would like to ask you only one question: do you really think that you can make objective opinion about us when you rely on words of only one or few persons? Lora, as far as I know - you are famailiar with some people who are now blamed by KRAS as "fscists", "homophobic", etc. Why don't you even email them for their attitude on all this charges? I see that one of KRAS member is good comrade for some of you, but really is it enogh to take on trust so serious accusation? If it is so - please, check your own libertarian conditions before blaming us of something. I believe when some "old, well-known and competent" comrade take a privillege to force his point of view without any alternative and appeal - it is really bad symptom.

I would like to adress a comrade, who said that he has often heard about KRAS, but never about MPST. So please consider that till 2008 it was one organisation. Name KRAS was used for a whole one, MPST was name of its Moscow group.

So "schism" of KRAS is another great story. Actually it was only two members of KRAS who proclamed themselves "true" organisation, when they make their "vote" amongst people who was initiated to KRAS during 1-2 weeks by this two people unknown to other members of organisation. they also used trust of some people who was inactive for the long time, but formally remained members of group. But evem with its inactive members - they didn't take a majority of votes of formal members. Reason of all this - mostly personal conflict, which was [as it popular on "political" scene] falsyfied as ideological. So because one of these two had accumulated all international relations of our group in his own hands [partly because of his personal relations and good knowlege of foreign languages, but also - for our own lazyness and unexpectedness of such behavior from our yesterday comrade] - he presented this case to the world from his point of view. As far as I know IWA-congress had just agree with him, and the second side of conflict weren't even listened! Even if we are "fascists and police informers" as its people say - such a situation is a symptom of crisis of any procedures of direct democracy in international level of IWA. So, why one "competent" have power to exclude entire group?? You think we are fascists - please take a work to prove this! And of course when leader of 3-men sect brand us as 3-men sect [yes - most of anarchist groups in Russia are very small and KRAS is far from being an exclusion] it sounds really funny.

What about my position on ethnicity? So, my quotation made by your "old and competent" are so fragmental and taken away from context, that it has lost any of its sense and evidental force. He also uses a difficulties of translation to make his position more acceptable for you. For example, in Russian academic and popular tradition term ethnos is more oftem about a kind of cultural "community" or "generality", but as far as I know - in Europe it is mostly about biological types and race. For cultural ones European anthropologists often use term "ethnic group" or something like that.

So I would like to tell briefly what I think about it. For me personally and for many of my close people it is important to be a part of Russian cultural heritage. You can treat me as ignorant, but you can not deny my right for personal and group cultural identity. So I think people have right to have nothing in common with ethnicity if they don't want to. Of course I am opposed to any attempts of powerful denial of cultural exchange between different ethnic groups - so in past years I have some theoretical prejudices on this subject: about assimilation,etc. I never was against interracial relations [I have Russian and Jewish "mix" myself]. I think every people have undoubted right on cultural self-determination - and so for ethnic identity. You can disagree and think about ethnicity as "repressive construct", etc. But why philosophic and more sophistic disagreement should become practical hunting and exclusion of "dessidents", while our group always took part in antifascist struggle and strongly opposed migrantofobia and racism in Russian social movements?

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And now about this "violent incident". It was not enough for KRAS members in their hysteria to brand me and my comrades as fascists. They also made an accusation of me as of "police informer". here is an article, where KRAS member D. who then was kicked, tell this lies about me: http://st-kropotkin.livejournal.com/115896.html?thread=87224
please forgive me, but I will not translate such a big pierce of demagogy, lies and abuse of my own dignity to English. So their reason was an incident which took place in 2007, when I was 17 years old. After one of the protest actions I was secretly captured by police and then beaten and tortured with fired cigarette. Policemen have demanded to give them information about my comrades. But I didn't, I was able to convince them that I don't have any information interesting for them. Then they forced me to give an oral agreement to communicate with them in future, also I mustn't tell anybody about this agreement. So when finally I went home - the first comrade who I talked with - was Vadim Grayevsky, because in that time I have not many anarchist comrades and because I was affraid of police but I trusted Grayevsky because he was an old movement member and was familiar to my father. In these days we were comrades from one organisation. Month later, after my university practice far from Moscow, I made a public statement about this story on Web, and all comrades have known about it. And of course I can swear that I didn't give any information to police - so officers even didn't try contact me after this. And those days Grayevsky and his comrade D. just showed their sympathy and support for me. But then, one year later, when this conflict arose - they used this case for company of hunting against me. They tried to convince comrades ignorant of the case - that I must be excluded from the movement due to my "agreement" of cooperating with police. So they made many insinuations that it is possible that I really collaborate with police and for some times Grayevsky directly branded me as informer. So then they denied to have an arbitrage with us for proving their charges.

So I am by no way a violent man or macho - for me it is even difficult to start fight when it is really needed. And I know that "fascist" unfortunately became a kind of polemic bugaboo in leftist scene. So I don't care. But I really think that false accusations of police informent - is too hard abuse to leave it without any reaction. So I took my chance to do it and kicked D. in a face once. I really think that violence is not normal way to solve conflict, especially inside an anarchist scene, but also I believe that one has a right to defend its pride when somebody had strongly insulted it.

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I think every people have undoubted right on cultural self-determination - and so for ethnic identity.

Get tae fuck.

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Get tae fuck.

yup. Here is one of his comments on a related thread as well:

D. Ch. wrote:
I also should mention that M. was one of the people who branded me "nationalist" just because I insist in my right for ethnic self-determination - that is due to radical anational or cosmopolitan position of some movement members in Moscow. So I respect one's right to egnore ethnic heritage, but I have my own point of view on this subject.

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This D.Ch. is the same guy who wrote these "genial" words about ethnicity I cited. And he found the perfect time for write his lies now, in the time of war danger and antimilitarist campaigns. So he show himself anew as a very suspsious type. He was interrogated by police and accepted to give information about movement. Of course, we don`t know if he gave this information really (for knowing it, it would be necessary to study the police reports, and we can`t, as you understand). So we didn`t affirm that he is really an agent. May be D.Ch. is a normal ultra-rightist infiltrant ))

But after this incident, he must stop participate in the radical actions necause it is clear that police watch arrested and interrogated activist. And he didn`t stop to participe, and moreover, his behaviour during these actions were very provocative. I don`t want write about details further because of clear reasons.

Anyway, it is NOT a personal conflict. Majority of KRAS members in Moscow voted for expulsion of D.Ch. because of his fucking ethnicist and anticosmopolitic position which can`t be tolerable among anarchists: it is too near to Troy Southgate. 2 people were expulsed with him.

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Mar 5 2014 10:30

So, won't you make any contentous commentaries? Why people must refuse all ethnic roots, while they already support international solidarity and free cultural relations between different peoples, and also recognize everyone's right of not belonging to any ethnic group? From you - it is not even dogmatism (because most of anarchist and a.-s. such as Bakunin, Kropotkin, Rocker, etc. did recognize ethnic self-determination), so - it is just a kind of stagnancy of thinking. Because in practice such ideas don't subverse internationalist position, but many people, even between anarchists, prefer to react to some words just as it was incantation better than think.

And, however that may be, it is very indicative when anybody from the whole text take only this part.

Foristaruso
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Mar 5 2014 10:38

And if I spend now a very valuable time for demasking this liar, I prefer to cite some other ideological "pearls" of this "new rightist" from MPST sect:

"Primitive views about indivisibility of people and an area of its habitation seems true to me. Really, ties between ethnic culture and the surrounding nature (if not approach to this question with snobbish neglect) play a very important role. Probably, it is not smaller, than of role of mutual relations inside of a human society... Also it is necessary to tell about a very soft "spirit of people", proving in a folk music and people`s poetics... However, this spirit does not generate any contradictions to key, perhaps, universal values... Such distinctions (by all its importance) are not connected with forming any walls between representatives of different ethnic cultures..." (http://anarhia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=396)

"In all ethnic cultures huge value is played with the nature - territory, on which a concrete ethny lives (or wanders) the given ethnos wanders). In the Antiquity, the concepts of people and of the ground of this people were perceived as the inseparable whole (not without reason, in some languages terms were kept which define all at once, both people, and territory). However the tie between people`s culture and ground does not represent a certain pattern of ownership. The view of Russian peasants on the ground, expressed in the statement, that the ground is “of God, i.e. nobody's”, is connected with aversion of principle of the property and not of ties between ethny and ground. On Russian ground representatives of other cultures can live and work on the equal rights with Russian, they can perceive also this ground as his native land, thus not considering themselves Russian - here there is no problem. For Russian this ground remains Russian. And if anybody will try to deport nobody (and what for?), it is no base for conflicts.

The another matter, that the majority of people prefers to live on the primordial native land. At all times on mass resettlement of people frequently pushed misfortunes and cataclysms. In a free society, where it will be incomparable less social cataclysms than during an epoch of existence of the state, the probability of a massive migration will be also less. The Personal freedom to choose a place of dwelling it not only the opportunity to move where will want, but also, that is very important, an opportunity to remain on the native land, not being kicked out from there by famine, cold and war...

Thus, the statements of militant cosmopolitans that a presence at the person of ideas of his own people and his native land itself hinders solidarity of persons of different cultures, are groundless obviously. By his own logic, such authoritarian cosmopolite position is reduced to the statement of that the differences between persons conduct to loss of solidarity. And it is not so. On the contrary, anarchy is a solidary society of equal, but different...

The educational problem of a free and fair society is: as soon as possible to transfer to the child skills of independent thinking and decision-making. These skills also are a necessary condition that the person could develop spiritually freely. But the aqutance to as much as possible wide spectrum of culture of mankind at all doesn`t seem a such obligatory condition. The person capable to develop independently, in contact to other free persons can get acquainted at his will with those parts of culture of mankind which will involve its interest. As to a markets-consumer principle "the more, the better", it is OBVIOUSLY insolvent with reference to knowledge and the more than to human spirituality. There is nothing bad that most likely the person first of all will get acquainted and become closely connected with spiritual culture of the nearest environment, no less than that it will find spiritual ties with the nature of that area where it does first steps of the spiritual development" (http://paganantifa.ucoz.ru/publ/1-1-0-13)

Such positions are compatible with Anarchism? And this are not the most extreme shits of Mr.D.Ch. TO BE CONTINUED

D. Ch.
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Mar 5 2014 11:13

Well, it is up to you to simulate "active struggle" against war now, while in fact you just use this pretense to avoid proving of your false accusation.

So, please tell to everybody, what in my story about my problems with police is untrue? Don't you confused by the fact that I was the only source of this story, and if I didn't tell about my agreement - you never know about it? And please tell us, why you didn't trat me as informer for year, but then started hysteria about it? And if you really "don't affirm" - so shut up about it, because you already have directly charged me as informer. Here is the quotation of Grayevsky, adressed to me, taken from inner mail list of moscow anarchists. Word "стукачок" means police informer.

And if you want to charge me in provocations - be concrete. Who was arrested in these actions? From what sources you have an information that I am followed by police? Or may be all this - just another part of unsubstantiated accusations and lies?

And what about "most of moscow group to vote against me" - didn't you personally initiate to KRAS for this action people who never or for many-many years had nothing in common with our group? You have used even people, who was far more "fascist" (you know whom I mean) than me. All this is crying shame, and you here use only trust of foreign comrades due to your familiarity and language barrier. I think one of good evidense of your lies is the fact, that the most of moscow community has condemned your actions. So did, for example, moscow group of Avtonomous Action, a group strongly affiliated with LGBT and feminist activity. You know about their statement about your lies, and if you try to deny it - we will translate and publish it here. And everybody who is familiar with AA activists can contacr them and check the truth of my words.

There were other statements on this subject from moscow anarchists: http://anarhia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=17793

And now I would like to adress european comrades - you can desagree with me, but tell, what is "fascist" or incompatible with internationalism in my position? And please pay more attention to practice - our group is in all kinds of our struggle promotes international solidarity and cooperation of workers of different root and identities in their everyday struggle for their rights and for liberation. And I believe that it is far more important and indicative than thousand of empty word statements.

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Mar 5 2014 11:16

admin note: DCH has been banned for his "ethnic self-determination" nonsense

mpst
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Mar 5 2014 12:33

Akai,

Please note again, that it was personal enmity between our member and a person( who proclaimed himself as LGBT-activist), which caused the attack. It was not homophobia. The reason was his long-lasting slander. Not every attack on a sexual minority or LGBT-activist can be explained as caused by homophobia. Otherwise, it would be a good help for any "troll" to guarantee ones "immunity".

Our position on that incident is that is was caused by personal conflict. Our member, who hit that man, does not support or advocate homophobia.

You can check our manifesto:

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Liquidation of oppression

We stand for ensuring true equality of opportunity for men and women in
everyday life, studies and labour. We support unity in struggle against any
kind of inequality and oppression, for ultimate equality independently of
age, gender, race, sexuality and relations with religion.

What do you call "crazy "ethnist" views"?

mpst
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Mar 5 2014 12:51

Here is an example of KRAS leader's lies:

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