Teachers strike still potentially looming
Jan 13 2008 19:21
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7183049.stm#
Projected 2% pay rise still linked to projected cuts across public sector including nurses, despite inflation being at 4%
Jan 14 2008 19:25
#2
wangwei wrote:
A strike would be nice, but will the students join the teachers?
No.
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Does anybody know anybody organizing in the schools to help build this strike?
I'm not aware of any.
Jan 14 2008 20:49
#3
catch wrote:
wangwei wrote:
Does anybody know anybody organizing in the schools to help build this strike?I'm not aware of any.
knightrose'd probably know more. Teachers wages were supposed to be reviewed if inflation went up.
Students won't be able to go to school if teachers strike. But there will be knock-on effects for the economy as many parents will have to stay home from work too.
Jan 14 2008 21:04
#4
John. wrote:
Students won't be able to go to school if teachers strike.
wouldn't they just get in even more agency staff? I know that there are many antipodean teachers that do agency work in the UK as part of a paid holiday post university. Wouldn't think too many of them would give a toss about solidarity instead of money for their next round of snakebites...
all the best.
gregg.
Jan 14 2008 21:06
#5
There aren't enough agency workers to cover every teacher. They don't even have enough to cover people when they're off sick usually.
Jan 14 2008 21:24
#6
catch wrote:
There aren't enough agency workers to cover every teacher. They don't even have enough to cover people when they're off sick usually.
Exactly, and health & safety shit would mean they'd have to shut the school even if only a small number of teachers couldn't show up - like on snow days say.
Jan 14 2008 21:39
#7
Yep. Pretty much zero chance of any school actually being open while the strikes are on.
Jan 14 2008 21:54
#8
This is how they're dealing with it here.
How do Ichange the date on this when I approve it? Or if I can't can you do it for me?
Jan 14 2008 22:27
#9
done. nice
Jan 15 2008 12:44
#10
pay deal 2.45% announced so NUT still considering strike action but doesn't look like other teaching unions are bothered
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2241073,00.html
Jan 15 2008 17:08
#11
Generally the other unions don't scab on us when we strike. At my school 35 staff are NUT - agency staff couldn't do the job. The kids would eat them alive anyway 
The school will shut for the day.
The trouble is that a one day strike is a waste of time. We did win on a regrading issue recently, but that took a series of closures to win. Of course the union won't provide strike pay either.
Jan 15 2008 20:56
#12
I think alot of students wont go in anyway regardless, its an excuse to stay in the house. I remember trying to publicise a mass walkout in school during the Iraq onslaught for a rally in the town and most students used it as an excuse to go home.(im not suggesting its a bad thing btw)
Jan 15 2008 21:02
#13
The media seem to be pushing the line that the teachers (as ever) are privileged because they have got a higher deal than other public sector workers.
Jan 15 2008 23:23
#14
Alf wrote:
The media seem to be pushing the line that the teachers (as ever) are privileged because they have got a higher deal than other public sector workers.
Even ATL are saying that. it's especially mental given it's still well below inflation.
Jan 16 2008 09:53
#15
xConorx wrote:
Alf wrote:
The media seem to be pushing the line that the teachers (as ever) are privileged because they have got a higher deal than other public sector workers.Even ATL are saying that. it's especially mental given it's still well below inflation.
Metro described it as "inflation-busting," but then that unions use the retail price index which is 4%.
Local govt got 2.45% too, as we voted to strike. We rejected that offer but then the union called off the strikes and accepted it.
Jan 16 2008 16:17
#16
Yeah i should have said retail-price index, although, aren't RPI and inflation linked?
Jan 16 2008 16:37
#17
i think the official inflation figure is CPI, which is RPI without mortgages etc since the state's main means of controlling inflation is interest rate policy, which would push the figures in the opposite direction intended. of course in terms of working class living standards we still have to pay back mortgages/loans etc, so RPI is a truer figure i'd have thought.
Jan 17 2008 10:25
#18
xConorx wrote:
Yeah i should have said retail-price index, although, aren't RPI and inflation linked?
RPI and CPI are both measures of inflation. The government uses CPI most, unions etc. use RPI. RPI is a truer figure since it includes rent and mortgages, etc.
Jan 17 2008 13:17
#19
Cool, i couldn't be arsed checking 
Jan 22 2008 10:10
#20
Strike here on Thursday, they're signing up scabs for the minimum service now.
Jan 22 2008 19:31
#21
1631 of France's 36000 odd communes have signed up for minimum service. bit of a loss for Sarko, and the fact that they're listing communes suggests it's mostly smaller ones. Delanoe has already told him not to try it in Paris.
Jan 22 2008 19:54
#22
jef costello wrote:
Strike here on Thursday, they're signing up scabs for the minimum service now.
Are you organising a picket line? Other union members should not undertake work of strikers. A picket line will help them remember that.
Jan 22 2008 20:11
#23
I'll be on a eurostar home and it's an elementary school strike.
They're not technically doing the work of strikers but they are undermining the strike. They're hiring people to basically babysit the kids but not teach them.
knightrose wrote:
jef costello wrote:
Strike here on Thursday, they're signing up scabs for the minimum service now.Are you organising a picket line? Other union members should not undertake work of strikers. A picket line will help them remember that.
Jan 24 2008 18:30
#24
then you definitely need a picket line and from early in the day. Someone should talk to the scabs.
You could also leaflet the local area in the week before the strike and explain why you are striking and ask parents to keep their kids at home in solidarity. Explain that they won't be being taught etc etc.
Jan 24 2008 19:28
#25
A picket line is definitely needed. Participation is expected to be 50%, which is quite high. My neighbour isn't striking he said he doesn't want to lose a day's pay for a one-day strike that won't win anything.
The CNT have been trying to organise so they'd have been the best way to get involved. If I can get decent info I'll write up the day.
Last I heard 1750 ish of 22000 communes were doing minimum service, numbers keep changing.
Jan 26 2008 11:46
#26
Jan 26 2008 11:47
#27
Steven. wrote:
xConorx wrote:
Yeah i should have said retail-price index, although, aren't RPI and inflation linked?RPI and CPI are both measures of inflation. The government uses CPI most, unions etc. use RPI. RPI is a truer figure since it includes rent and mortgages, etc.
Says in the BBC story just above "The Retail Prices Index includes costs such as rent and mortgages. "
Did BBC get it wrong?
Jan 26 2008 11:52
#28
Gordon Brown is facing the prospect of the first national teachers' strike in 21 years after the main union said it would ballot its members for a one-day walk out.
Guardian
Jan 26 2008 12:23
#29
xConorx wrote:
Steven. wrote:
xConorx wrote:
Yeah i should have said retail-price index, although, aren't RPI and inflation linked?RPI and CPI are both measures of inflation. The government uses CPI most, unions etc. use RPI. RPI is a truer figure since it includes rent and mortgages, etc.
Says in the BBC story just above "The Retail Prices Index includes costs such as rent and mortgages. "
Did BBC get it wrong?
nope, RPI does, CPI doesn't
Jan 26 2008 14:54
#30
Joseph K. wrote:
xConorx wrote:
Steven. wrote:
xConorx wrote:
Yeah i should have said retail-price index, although, aren't RPI and inflation linked?RPI and CPI are both measures of inflation. The government uses CPI most, unions etc. use RPI. RPI is a truer figure since it includes rent and mortgages, etc.
Says in the BBC story just above "The Retail Prices Index includes costs such as rent and mortgages. "
Did BBC get it wrong?nope, RPI does, CPI doesn't
Fuck, what was I talking about, I was barely reading that properly. First posts of day.
*slaps self*
A strike would be nice, but will the students join the teachers? Does anybody know anybody organizing in the schools to help build this strike?