IWA members in Serbia arrested

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Maloney
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Sep 10 2009 13:05

Admin; Unnecessary stupidities deleted.

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Sep 10 2009 13:15
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Admin; stupidities deleted.

Are you an idiot?
how is this supposed to help those that have been arrested?
probably it's better that you don't think out aloud

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Sep 10 2009 14:02

obviously, I was not referring to any of the accused so catch a grip and stop being paranoid!!

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Sep 10 2009 15:35

not obviously, since you said you stayed with them. i assume random musings on the internet from an anonymous belfast anarchist with multiple personalities aren't admissible in Serbian courts, so i won't delete the post wink

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Sep 10 2009 16:57

ooh-aye! (!)

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Sep 10 2009 17:19
Joseph Kay wrote:
i think that while petrol bombs aren't an anarcho-syndicalist method, the IWA comrades are being careful not to fall into a 'don't repress us, repress the insurrectionists' trap. whoever actually committed the attack is still not an international terrorist, and any attempt to imprison them for 15 years would be barely less repressive than just framing some anarcho-syndicalists.

fair enough. i do see your point. though it would be nice if the same level of "don't repress us, repress the insurrectionists" were returned. i mean regardless of ideological differences, i'd have a hard time leaving an insurrectionist in jail for something they were innocent of that i had done.

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Sep 10 2009 17:27

i agree with the gist of what you're saying - and it has happened that we have been dropped in the shit on many occasions in the past by adventurers. however, can a discussion on insurrectionists and lack of accountability be held elsewhere please. i feel that any thread relating to these comrades should be treated with the greatest of care

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Sep 10 2009 17:43
AES wrote:
i agree with the gist of what you're saying - and it has happened that we have been dropped in the shit on many occasions in the past by adventurers. however, can a discussion on insurrectionists and lack of accountability be held elsewhere please. i feel that any thread relating to these comrades should be treated with the greatest of care

understood and if any of my posts need to be edited let me know or admin feel free.

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Sep 10 2009 18:07

thanks. i've not notice anything particular of concern.
no offense intended.

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Sep 12 2009 23:21

[double post]

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Sep 11 2009 13:26
Joseph Kay wrote:
not obviously, since you said you stayed with them. i assume random musings on the internet from an anonymous belfast anarchist with multiple personalities aren't admissible in Serbian courts, so i won't delete the post ;)

exactly, plus I did not stay with any of the accused. At the same time you would be suprised who much the state uses these days to pin someone.

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Sep 11 2009 16:36

So why the fuck did you say that then? And why isn't this multiple personality dick banned yet?

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Sep 11 2009 19:05

A comment from Eastern Europe to Baloney:

In general, EE is not a soft, cushy place and this reflects in the movement. But don't confuse a modicum of support for militancy with insurrectionalism. And despite this, EE sees almost no anarchist or antiglobalist riots; the last riots in my city were made by traders, shipyard workers and coal miners. Some local @s sit and watch riot porn on their computers all day but really they are very polite in reality.

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Sep 11 2009 19:15
Caiman del Barrio wrote:
So why the fuck did you say that then? And why isn't this multiple personality dick banned yet?

I've asked the admins this many times.

How did today's demo go?

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Sep 11 2009 21:07
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How did today's demo go?

15-20 people for two hours, got a few leaflets out, delivered a letter of protest to the ambassador, and received an excellent lecture in free speech from a DPG officer involving such gems as 'you're entitled to free speech but you should run it past us first', before the regular Met turned up and moved us across the street since the leaflet mentioned criminal damage, he had 'reasonable grounds' our bags contained petrol bombs roll eyes *

thanks to everyone who came, i spotted odd people from AF, L&S and Autonomy & Solidarity, plus a load of SolFed comrades of course, a couple of wandering FAUistas, and loads of people i didn't recognise.

* obviously i expect nothing less from the cops, but it's always worth a smirk at their cognitive dissonance.

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Sep 12 2009 07:08

We put some updates on the solidarity page in different languages but the reports from solidarity pickets are rather sketchy. (Usually just we were there, we protested. Hard to know what else to say.) If you press "upcoming protests" there are some PDFs, and some info in the English, Slovenian and Polish sections. Unfortunately we don't have info that much is planned next week.

www.asi.zsp.net.pl

PS - Our cops ordered us not to curse. Then we clarified this order and it seems the law against public cursing is limited to Polish. It also is not defined as to which words are considered "curses" which really tempted us to test this.

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Sep 12 2009 07:33

Also this might be interesting:
http://asi.zsp.net.pl/belgrade-professors-send-open-letter-in-defense-of-arrested/

A group of writers and professors published an open letter about the case.

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Sep 12 2009 17:29

London solidarity picket:

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Sep 12 2009 18:02

Protest in London

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A couple of dozen people picketed the Serbian Embassy in London on Friday lunchtime 11th September. Not bad at such short notice. Members of SF and FAU (German IWA Section) were supported by London Anarchist Federation, libertarian students’ group Autonomy & Solidarity and others.

Embassy staff were a bit startled but took a keen interest in proceedings, and the police harassment started after we’d been outside the embassy for about half an hour. First the Diplomatic Protection Group – all wearing badges showing their support for the roadside-bomb-fodder in Afghanistan – first told us the demonstration was illegal and we should disperse; then they said it was “a public order situation” in spite of our being relaxed and peaceful; then they claimed we were obstructing the pavement in spite of the almost total absence of pedestrians and told us to cross the road (to a narrower stretch of pavement people were actually walking along). We rotated people arguing with plod as he kept changing his arguments and eventually he retired to talk to his bosses. By that stage there were six armed officer present.

We handed in a letter of protest – the door opened immediately and it was accepted. After another half hour the regular Met turned up, only one, with a Community Support Officer – plastic plod – in tow. We then became a “security risk” because apparently by standing outside the embassy we could provide cover for unspecified criminal activities. Then eventually it came down to the alleged likelihood of our committing criminal damage. Plod’s “reasonable grounds for suspicion” constituted the fact that an act of criminal damage during the Belgrade picket of the Greek Embassy was mentioned in our leaflet! This was exposed as an obvious ploy when Plod became impatient and dropped the act, threatening us all with being searched unless we crossed the road. We continued arguing while drifting over the road, having achieved what we had set out to do. We stayed to 2 O’Clock, forcing Mr Plod and Mr Plastic (who looked like a building contractor with his bare head and yellow safety jacket) to guard the embassy from the heinous threat of handing in letters until we left. About four police hours were expended during the course of the demonstration, plus report writing. Result.

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Sep 12 2009 23:21

Bericht von der Soli Demo für die Serbischen GenossInnen

Am 11. 9.2009 trafen sich um 15:00 ca 30 AktivistInnen um gegen die Inhaftierung der 6 serbischen AnarchistInnen, wovon 5 Mitglieder der anarchosyndikalistischen Gewerkschaft ASI-MUR sind. Die Demonstration ging durch den ersten Bezirk und anschließend zum Schwarzenbergplatz, wo direkt am Rennweg die serbische Botschaft liegt.

Ignoranter Weise, wollten die Menschen in dem Botschaftsgebäude die Texte, welche übergeben werden sollten, nicht entgegen nehmen. Weder auf Klingeln an der Tür, noch auf Anrufe reagierten sie. Dennoch bemerkten sie, dass das Verhalten der serbischen Behörden nicht ungehört verhallt.

Infos unter: http://asi.zsp.net.pl/ | http://www.inicijativa.org/tiki/tiki-view_articles.php

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Sep 13 2009 10:31

Povodom napada na grčku ambasadu Tuesday, 25 August 2009 11:16 [translation]

[automatic translation by google is subject to error]

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Regarding the attack on the Greek Embassy

Anarchist group "Black Elijah" took responsibility for Molotov cocktail attack on the Greek Embassy in Belgrade!

The following article is the text message that was sent to the e-mail our site (info@inicijativa.org). Letter is transmitted in its entirety here solely for the purpose of informing the public, and do not represent the views of ASI:

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"Our second Todoris Iliopulos, who was arrested during the national uprising in Greece in December last year, but 46 days on hunger strike demanding to be released. Trying to make him an example for all those who dare to fight for freedom, the Greek state water Todorisa mounted against the process.

Belgrade anarchists have decided to join friends and comrades in Greece, and throughout the world, who carried out actions of solidarity with Todorisom, demanding his release. Because the members of our group during the previous night, attacked the Greek Embassy in Belgrade Molotov cocktail. We will continue with activities until the liberation of other Iliopulosa!

Freedom of Todorisa!

An anarchist group Black Elijah "

Photos of graffiti that was written to the Embassy of Greece during the attack sinoćnjeg

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Sep 13 2009 16:40

open letter from Melbourne ASF

akai
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Sep 13 2009 17:01

Just beat me too it. It's also up on the www.asi.zsp.net.pl page, along with some other updates.

BTW, the comrades from Belgrade have said it is OK to mention a few more things publically.

The sixth person, also called Ivan, has apparently been under arrest for days but the police are not publically acknowledging this. This is probably because they haven't been able to press charges yet and they are looking for pretexts to keep them.

The lawyers say that there is no case against them. That said, it looks like the state is intent to keep them anyway and may well charge them with something. Whatever they would charge them with, it's gonna be bullshit.

The comrades in Croatia will be protesting tomorrow and there will be a protest in Athens on Wednesday. Some others are in the works but not yet confirmed.

I am waiting for some information on legal costs. Of course the final costs are going to depend on further developments. We will print info when we get it.

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Sep 14 2009 21:42

Report from Monday (14/09) solidarity actions with arrested Serbian anarchosyndicalists and Ukrainian community activists

http://www.priamaakcia.sk/Solidarity-actions-with-arrested-Serbian-anarchosyndicalists-and-Ukrainian-community-activists.html

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Sep 15 2009 04:38

I updated the page with the latest info about protests that were held and are upcoming.

http://asi.zsp.net.pl/category/english/

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Sep 15 2009 10:59
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Caiman del Barrio wrote:
So why the fuck did you say that then? And why isn't this multiple personality dick banned yet?

I've asked the admins this many times.

How did today's demo go?

All of his log-ins are banned apart from this one (afaik), multiple log-ins should have got him a ban by now though.

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Sep 15 2009 11:03

wtf use is it banning a few of his many logins but still allowing him to come on and say daft shite like this?
seriously, people like Lem and Gangster got banned for less
embarrassing

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Sep 15 2009 11:07

guys, this is a news thread, please keep discussion of posters to its own thread if you think it merits one. cheers.

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Sep 15 2009 15:43

From Workers' Climate Action via Indymedia:

Breaking News: Vestas Green Job protesters occupying cranes at Southampton Docks have been told they will be arrested under the Terrorism Act if they do not come down now. The 4 occupiers, who are calling for the reinstatement of sacked Vestas workers and government intervention to protect wind-power jobs, have said they intend to stay to prevent Vestas wind-turbine blades from being loaded for export today.

I felt slightly paranoid saying anti-terror legistlation would be used against workers at the first signs of resistance sad

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Sep 16 2009 04:49

There are a lot of new articles on the www.asi.zsp.net.pl page today.

First of all, there are three protests coming up today: in Athens, Thessaloniki and Hamburg. Click on "upcoming protests" if you want to go and need times and addresses.

There is also a small report about the action in Kiev. And new texts translated into English, Russian, Bulgarian and Dutch.