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Mar 25 2006 17:34
who here thinks that cameron will win the next election?
Mar 25 2006 17:43
#2
I think they will do slighlty better than before. I just dont see any reason why the government would need to change unless its down to celebritising the players tbh.
Mar 25 2006 18:02
#3
well in the past few months there has been much anticipation over cameron presiding the next government come election day
i've just noticed, what with the whole tory leader decision quite far off now, that labour seems to be a little more popular
there are no longer articles every week in the economist over "the next tory prime minister" or surveys stating that tories are up
i dont particularly want brown to take over having boosted our economy on lucozade bars and not actually building proper foundations for our economy
(no more industry and petrol running out, we'll soon feel the pain) but im just curious what people believe
is cameron better than brown
or am i asking the type of question
how would you rather die?
by drowning or burning?
Mar 25 2006 19:23
#4
frenchyy wrote:
or am i asking the type of question:
how would you rather die?
by drowning or burning?
first sensible thing you've said on this forum.
Apr 3 2006 09:46
#5
Hi
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is cameron better than brown
You wouldn't have thought so. However, it transpires that at the end of the 80’s the poorest half of the UK owned 10% of the wealth, nowadays its 6%. We’re getting poorer.
The funny thing about it is, the people I know who are involved in “social work” of one kind or another wouldn’t vote Tory if they were the last party on earth. I wonder why? Perhaps they think intent is more important than results, or maybe all this poverty keeps them in a job.
Love
LR
Apr 3 2006 11:35
#6
Social workers are fairly classic labour party members I would imagine.
Good cops.
Apr 3 2006 11:47
#7
How did u manage to bring social workers into this LR?
Apr 3 2006 12:06
#8
Lazy Riser wrote:
You wouldn't have thought so. However, it transpires that at the end of the 80’s the poorest half of the UK owned 10% of the wealth, nowadays its 6%. We’re getting poorer.
yes, but that's due to the ongoing march of UK polarisation of wealth, which started in the 1970s under labour, rather than any government's policies. Just like nationalisation through the 1940s and 1950s happened under both labour and tories; capital finding ways to stabilise itself then, and finding ways to secure profits now.
Apr 3 2006 12:21
#9
Hi
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How did u manage to bring social workers into this LR?
That’s nothing. I’ve introduced dildos onto the decadence thread.
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We’re getting poorer.
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but that's due to the ongoing march of UK polarisation of wealth, which started in the 1970s under labour, rather than any government's policies.
What a strange thing to post. Government social and economic policy is explicitly directed towards enriching the bourgeoisie, always has been. Even a silly little ‘A’-level economics book admits the fundamental role of government policy on wealth production and distribution.
The anti-globalist position that governments are powerless and real power lies with transnational corporations ignores that the bourgeoisie have adopted “soviet” style state-capitalism and simply renamed it “Lazzie-Faire” as a PR exercise.
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Just like nationalisation through the 1940s and 1950s happened under both labour and tories; capital finding ways to stabilise itself then, and finding ways to secure profits now.
“Capital” is not finding anything. Its course is set by the aggregated acts of individual bourgeois maintaining their best interests. It is not a model that has run away and developed a consciousness of its own. It’s Digby Jones going about his day-to-day operations.
Love
LR
Apr 3 2006 12:30
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“Capital” is not finding anything. Its course is set by the aggregated acts of individual bourgeois maintaining their best interests. It is not a model that has run away and developed a consciousness of its own. It’s Digby Jones going about his day-to-day operations.
Not any more - if ever. There's a pretty class conscious managerial class that really does think about this stuff. You've only got to spend an afternoon looking around some right think tanks' websites to see that. The bourgeois maintain their best interests by acting collectively just as much as the working class tries to defend itself by acting collectively. It seems impossible to understand most of the twentieth century without assuming some more or less conscious collective action on the part of the ruling class.
Apr 3 2006 13:30
#11
I feel Cameron will win the next election, unless something major happens in the preceding years between now and the next general election. Cameron has the slick looks about him and the 'nice boy smile' that Blair had back in 1997. Considering voting overall (and especially among the youth) is very low, the looks and PR liners Cameron can pull may appeal to some more voters, although it won't be a massive slide like Thatcher in '79 or Blair in '97, indeed I don't feel it will increase by alot. When I was up in Parlimanet recently and spoke to some Tory MPs they seemed to like Cameron, he has a popularity among the Party and may just 'unite' them, or at least give a veener they are united on certain issues long enough to gain power. Blair is adged and still has the 'Iraq issue' over him, Cameron has the freshness about him the 
and can compensate on the rift between Blair and Brown in the Labour party.
Anyway, i'll be old enough to vote then and won't be voting any of them.
Apr 3 2006 13:45
#12
The idea of Cameron winning the next election is just absurd. Quit reading The Telegraph (aka the Cameron Fan Club Newsletter).
Apr 3 2006 15:33
#13
Hi
As it happens, I normally vote tactical to keep Tories out. Next election, I think I might abstain. People who run the numbers for this sort of thing think that if the Anti-Tory tactical vote unwinds to pre-1997 levels, they'll be back in.
Love
LR
Apr 3 2006 20:00
#14
Ladbrokes are offering 6/5 for the tories to win but labour are 8/11 fav's still
Apr 3 2006 20:32
#15
Cameron may win the next election through capitalising on the differences in Labour and the image of Tony Blair. I don't know if he can continue to please those in the Mail though (it isn't just the Telegraph that likes him). Although I know he predomently fills to lifestyle pages of the Mail.
Apr 4 2006 08:53
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frenchyy wrote:
who here thinks that cameron will win the next election?
Depends how the economy does, but as usual in 4 or 8 years the economy will be hurtling into recession and we'll have a change of management. I'm not that bothered which personally. The industrial and financial ruling classes are both just as repulsive.
Apr 4 2006 09:33
#17
Would require a massive swing back to the tories for them to get back in - almost as much as '97 (not that I can be arsed to see how much). It could be the first real possibility of no party having an absolute majority, which'd be the only interesting result - especially if it led to splits in the Tories and/or Labour or mass cross-party defections.
Not me. Why?