Turkish Elections
Jul 22 2007 17:19
The latest from today's elctions. As it stands at the moment:
AK Parti: % 48.1 (Islamicist)
CHP: % 19.5 (Social Democrat)
MHP: % 14.6 (Fascist)
As expected really.
Devrim
Jul 22 2007 19:48
#2
Pretty much so, yes.
Devrim
Jul 22 2007 20:00
#3
So... who did you vote for? 
Jul 22 2007 20:10
#4
What happened with our favorite chair spinning friend???
Jul 23 2007 08:12
#5
As of 21.37 GMT AKP leads with 46,63% which means 341 seats for them in the parliament. CHP follows them with 20,91%, resulting in 111 seats for them. MHP takes the third place with 14,27%, which means they will get 71 seats. Up to 27 independents are expected to be elected, including 25 DTP members and DTP ally Mehmet Ufuk Uras of the far-left Freedom and Solidarity Party.[17]
Election Results: Ratio Seats
Justice and Development Party (AKP) 46,63% 341
Republican People's Party (CHP) 20,91% 111
Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) 14.27% 71
Democrat Party (DP) 5.37% 0
Independents (Bağımsız) 5.22% 27
[img]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Turkish_general_election%2C_2007.gif [/img]
Blue is Socal Democrats, Yellow is Fascist, Red is independents*, the rest is Islamicist.
It leaves AKP with an overall majority, but just short of enough to change the constitution, a coalition with the MHP would hange that. I think that it certainly opens the way to a coup in the Autumn.
guydebordisdead wrote:
So... who did you vote for?
Nobody, I am a communist. Also I am out of the country for the next couple of weeks.
yoshomon wrote:
What happened with our favorite chair spinning friend???
He got trounced I am afraid, The independent(s) is his area got 5.7%. I don't know if he was the only independent there though.
Devrim
*This basically means Kurdish nationalists. To enter parliment a party must get a minimum of 10%. This is impossble for Kurdish nationalists, hence they run as independents (who do't have this barrier).
Jul 23 2007 08:39
#6
5.7%? An excellent platform to move from in the next elections!
As for the MHP, what kind of fascist party are they? Are we talking a more-or-less openly fascist party, or a populist party (in the style of the BNP, for instance) with fascist membership and undertones?
Jul 23 2007 08:55
#7
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As for the MHP, what kind of fascist party are they? Are we talking a more-or-less openly fascist party, or a populist party (in the style of the BNP, for instance) with fascist membership and undertones?
This sort of fascist party:
Alparslan Türkeş wrote:
Turks do not have any friend or ally other than other Turks. Turks! turn to your roots. Our words are to those that have Turkish ancestry and are Turks.... Those that have torn down this nation (referring to the Ottoman Empire) are Greek, Armenian and Jew traitors, and Kurdish, Bosnian and Albanians... How can you, as a Turk, tolerate these dirty minorities. Remove from within the Armenians and Kurds and all Turkish enemies.
Wiki wrote:
After having taken advantage of the Grey Wolves' activism, General Kenan Evren, alleged by historian D. Ganser to be the head of Counter-Guerrilla also decided to imprison hundreds of them, including Colonel Türkeş, head of the MHP, for their role during the strategy of tension.[12] At the time they were some 1,700 Grey Wolves organizations in Turkey, with about 200,000 registered members and a million sympathisers. In its indictment of the MHP in May 1981, the Turkish military government charged 220 members of the MHP and its affiliates for 694 murders.[13] Following the coup in Colonel Türkeş's indictment, the Turkish press revealed the close links maintained by the MHP with security forces as well as organized crime involved in drug trade, which financed in returns weapons and the activities of hired fascist commandos all over the country.[1]
If you are looking for a Nazi renactment society these are not your boys. If you are looking for the face of fascism today, I think they are. They have toned it down in recent years, including disbanding their militia. I think that they are facsist though, and I am not somebody who screams the word all the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalist_Movement_Party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves
Devrim
Jul 23 2007 10:56
#8
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The Grey Wolves in western Europe today were originally sent there at the end of the 1970s and the early 1980s to infiltrate Turkish immigrant workers. Their task was to combat Turkish left-wingers who had left Turkey because of harsh state repression but, lateralso focused on Kurds.
I've heard about groups of Turkish fascists in France, I think they attacked a CPE demo, but not seen anything of them. I've seen the stalinists though.
Jul 23 2007 11:30
#9
Shit Devrim, they sound fucking nasty, and almost 14% of the vote...how lovely. Cheers for the info.
Jul 23 2007 11:49
#10
Asher wrote:
Shit Devrim, they sound fucking nasty, and almost 14% of the vote...how lovely. Cheers for the info.
Yes, I remember, the day of Alparslan Türkeş's funeral in 1997. There were an estimated five million people there. I got stuck in the traffic, and was over two, and a half hours late for work. I was the first to arrive. The boss called the day off, and we strolled round town, quite frightening really, five million fascist supporters in the streets.
Devrim
Jul 23 2007 13:21
#11
social democrats seem big on the coast, and only there.
Jul 23 2007 13:43
#12
newyawka wrote:
social democrats seem big on the coast, and only there.
I don't think that that quite reflects the reality. Basically, they got trounced even worse than last time. Their national average was 20.74%. In Ankara, they polled 31.82% and 23.76%, both above their national average, Ankara I significantly so. Even so 32% is not small. Remember that these people pulled out over a million people in a demonstration in Ankara a couple of months ago (and around 2 million in Izmir (where they have their support according to the map).
AKP has not been a Islamicist as was expected, has stood up to the army, has been more open on Kurdish issues than any other party, and has increased its vote.
CHP represents a particular group within society. It may be small, but is powerful, and has a lot of influence in certain important area of the state.
Devrim
Edit: They aren't Social Democrats as most Europeans would understand it either. They are an extremely right wing nationalist party.
Jul 23 2007 14:18
#13
Asher wrote:
Shit Devrim, they sound fucking nasty, and almost 14% of the vote...how lovely. Cheers for the info.
Yeah, a comrade who used to post on here saw Turkish fascists in London hack someone's arm off in the street. Not nice chaps, and here I believe they're quite involved in the heroin trade.
Dev - is there are political faction the army are most keen on?
Jul 23 2007 14:25
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Dev - is there are political faction the army are most keen on?
Yes, the CHP. It is the Republican People's Party, traditionally the party of Ataturk.
Devrim
Jul 23 2007 14:40
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What happened with our favorite chair spinning friend???
He got 338 votes.
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Shit Devrim, they sound fucking nasty, and almost 14% of the vote
I remember them getting 18% and becoming the second party in 1999.
from bbc:
sound right?