U.K. Stop the War coalition bans critical voices

Submitted by redleftreview on 14 October, 2007 - 18:03.

Two organisations – both Hands Off the People Of Iran and Communist Students have had their affiliation revoked by the U.K. anti-war organisation 'Stop the War Coalition' (STWC) leadership on account of their collective opposition to both an imperialist attack on Iran and the theocratic regime in Teheran. This policy has been characterized by StWC chair, Andrew Murray, as “entirely hostile to the Coalition”. A comment that speaks greatly of the approach currently supported by the Coalition on the issue of Iran.

In the face of criticisms made by both Communist Students and Hands Off the People of Iran the leadership of the coalition has resorted to ham-fisted exclusion – both from the upcoming Stop the War coalition conference, and wider affiliation to the organisation. This should be condemned by any principled internationalists – quite regardless of whether they support the campaign aims of either organisation banned.

The full press-release can be read on the Hands Off the People of Iran site.

I’d ask that you all take a few seconds out of your day to email the STWC leadership to complain about this blatant censoring of critical voices. You may do so here

14 October, 2007 - 21:41

Wish I could say i was surprised.

14 October, 2007 - 22:16

The Stop the War Coalition is a bourgeois front - it is pointless protesting to them about their suppression of dissent.

What was it precisely that led to these groups being excluded? Do you consider the excluded groups to be "principled internationalists"?

14 October, 2007 - 22:22

how do you avoid being a part of a bourgeois movement to stop a war? if voices are raised, then why aren't you just a part of the general clamour and noise?

14 October, 2007 - 22:55
Alf wrote:
The Stop the War Coalition is a bourgeois front

argh, a sad day for me - i actually understand what you mean by this.

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it is pointless protesting to them about their suppression of dissent.

Yeah the CPGB don't reall think its worthwhikle, everything they do is tactical engage with x, political alliance with y - they are just politicking.

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What was it precisely that led to these groups being excluded?

Being the CPGB?

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Do you consider the excluded groups to be "principled internationalists"?

That would be a valid question if you, like every other left sect, did not believe your own group alone were the principled ones.

14 October, 2007 - 23:02

in defence of alf - don't anarchists have differences in theory esp with lifestylists. some left communists do seem to have major differences with alf and his comrades.

the icc is the only party [anarchist or otherwise] site i look at for info on marxism neutral

14 October, 2007 - 23:08
tacks wrote:
That would be a valid question if you, like every other left sect, did not believe your own group alone were the principled ones.

Too right. WSM signed the HOPI statement, but we're obviously leftists.

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OUR DEMANDS

We recognise that there is an urgent need to establish a principled solidarity campaign with the people of Iran. The contradictions between the interests of the neo-conservatives in power in the USA and the defenders of the rule of capital in the Islamic Republic has entered a dangerous new phase.

US imperialism and its allies are intent on regime change from above and are seriously considering options to impose this - sanctions, diplomatic pressure, limited strikes or perhaps bombing the country back to the stone age.

In Iran, the theocracy is using the international outcry against its nuclear weapons programme to divert attention away from the country's endemic crisis, deflect popular anger onto foreign enemies and thus prolong its reactionary rule.

The pretext of external threats has been cynically used to justify increased internal repression. The regime's security apparatus has been unleashed on its political opponents, workers, women and youth. The rising tide of daily working class anti-capitalist struggles has been met with arrests, the ratification of new anti-labour laws and sweeping privatisations. Under the new Iranian government, military-fascist organisations are gaining political and military strength, posing an ominous threat to the working class and democratic opposition.

Paradoxically, the US/UK invasion of Iraq has actually increased the regional influence of Iran's rulers - it led to the election of the pro-Iranian Shia government currently in power in Baghdad.

This means that any support from the anti-war movement for the reactionaries who currently govern Iran and repress its people is in effect indirect support for the occupation government in Iraq.

We recognise that effective resistance to this war can only mean the militant defence of the struggles of the working class in Iran and of the rising social movements in that country. We want regime change - both in Iran and in the imperialist countries. But we know that change must come from below - from the struggles of the working class and social movements - if it is to lead to genuine liberation.

We call on all anti-capitalist forces, progressive political groups and social organisations to join activists of the Iranian left to both oppose imperialism's plans and to organise practical solidarity with the growing movement against war and repression in Iran headed by the working class, women, students and youth.

* Our campaign demands are: No to imperialist war!
* No to the theocratic regime!
* The immediate and unconditional withdrawal of US/UK troops from the Gulf region!
* Opposition to Israeli expansionism and aggression!
* Support to all working class and progressive struggles in Iran against poverty and repression!
* Support for socialism, democracy and workers' control in Iran!
* For a nuclear-free Middle East in a nuclear-free world!

14 October, 2007 - 23:37
guydebordisdead wrote:
Too right. WSM signed the HOPI statement, but we're obviously leftists.

At least they have picked something up. wink
Devrim

14 October, 2007 - 23:41
Devrim wrote:
At least they have picked something up. wink
Devrim

You're a left communist. End.

14 October, 2007 - 23:57

Guydebord:

I don't want to be flamed, but these ungrounded exclamations are typical of your posts. Do you go elsewhere to talk things through? Are you a journalist?

15 October, 2007 - 00:02

It's the latest form of Libcom discussion, which involves making posts that mimick people's criticisms of you, in the vain hope that they'll somehow replace a proper rebuttal.

15 October, 2007 - 01:30

Interesting that the OP should post exclusively on this subject...

15 October, 2007 - 05:56
october_lost wrote:
Interesting that the OP should post exclusively on this subject...

Not strange at all. It is obviously one of their members trying to write in as many places as possible as they can where people may be interested.

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Tacks wrote:
Alf wrote:
Do you consider the excluded groups to be "principled internationalists"?

That would be a valid question if you, like every other left sect, did not believe your own group alone were the principled ones.

This isn't true though, is it. The ICC say that various groups including anarchists are principled internationalists.

Lem wrote:
some left communists do seem to have major differences with alf and his comrades.

Lem, the CPGB are not left communists.

guydebordisdead wrote:
Too right. WSM signed the HOPI statement, but we're obviously leftists.

Actually, I just checked their list, and apparently you are not.

Devrim

15 October, 2007 - 07:31
Devrim wrote:
The ICC say that various groups including anarchists are principled internationalists.

Not really though, as world wide there only seem to be two anarchist groups the ICC consider internationalilsts.

15 October, 2007 - 07:49
nastyned wrote:
Devrim wrote:
The ICC say that various groups including anarchists are principled internationalists.

Not really though, as world wide there only seem to be two anarchist groups the ICC consider internationalilsts.

Which groups? I don't keep track of it. We think that the AF are internationalists.

Surely two groups proves the principle though.

DEvrim

15 October, 2007 - 07:58

It's the group base around a bookshop in Hungary and the KRAS in Russia

In practice it's safe to assume that the ICC regard all anarchist groups as bourgeois.

15 October, 2007 - 07:58
redleftreview wrote:
Two organisations – both Hands Off the People Of Iran and Communist Students have had their affiliation revoked by the U.K. anti-war organisation 'Stop the War Coalition' (STWC) leadership on account of their collective opposition to both an imperialist attack on Iran and the theocratic regime in Teheran. This policy has been characterized by StWC chair, Andrew Murray, as “entirely hostile to the Coalition”. A comment that speaks greatly of the approach currently supported by the Coalition on the issue of Iran.

In the face of criticisms made by both Communist Students and Hands Off the People of Iran the leadership of the coalition has resorted to ham-fisted exclusion – both from the upcoming Stop the War coalition conference, and wider affiliation to the organisation. This should be condemned by any principled internationalists – quite regardless of whether they support the campaign aims of either organisation banned.

The full press-release can be read on the Hands Off the People of Iran site.

I’d ask that you all take a few seconds out of your day to email the STWC leadership to complain about this blatant censoring of critical voices. You may do so here

The STWC has been censoring people from day one, why should i suddenly care more about that now. Its just some game the CPGB is playing probably related to that spat you had with the swappies at the last marxism. The STWC has done far worse things on a national and local level over the last 5 years and the CPGB never kicked up this much fuss.

Anyway we all know the cpgb's attitude to STWC can be summed up aptly by this cover.
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basically their politics have reduced themselves to being little more than a point scoring competition.

Anyways whats an advert for fucking absolute headcases like the cpgb doing in the news forum.

15 October, 2007 - 08:06

Is this a discussion about the ICC or about the class nature of the Stop the War Coalition and the recent exclusions?

But, anyway: there are a few anarchist groups who are clearly internationalist, a lot of individuals and circles who call themselves anarchist and libertarian and are clearly internationalist, and some anarchist groups who are clearly bourgeois, which leaves an awful lot who are just plain confused. So It's not safe to assume what ned safely assumes.

15 October, 2007 - 16:45
Alf wrote:
So It's not safe to leave the house

fp! laugh out loud

Nah, i did know that the cpgb aren't left communists.

15 October, 2007 - 17:13
cantdocartwheels wrote:
Anyway we all know the cpgb's attitude to STWC can be summed up aptly by this cover.
[img] http://bp2.blogger.com/_7bPbeJqnH_M/RazM7Ju4y1I/AAAAAAAAAAY/TH4AzL8yy3o/s1600-h/cover.jpg [/img]

Jesus Christ! That's even better than "Gun crime out of control? Perhaps a gun culture is just what the working class needs".

15 October, 2007 - 19:52
devrim wrote:

Actually, I just checked their list, and apparently you are not.

Devrim

It just hasn't been updated since we did. I was even at one of their meetings the other day. So would you agree with the HOPI statement as quoted above?

16 October, 2007 - 06:35
guydebordisdead wrote:
I was even at one of their meetings the other day. So would you agree with the HOPI statement as quoted above?

I could find points where I disagree, but that is not the point. The point is that we don't see that signing these sort of statements has anything to do with class struggle.

Devrim

16 October, 2007 - 15:14
Devrim wrote:
guydebordisdead wrote:
I was even at one of their meetings the other day. So would you agree with the HOPI statement as quoted above?

I could find points where I disagree, but that is not the point. The point is that we don't see that signing these sort of statements has anything to do with class struggle.

Devrim

Do you think signing the statement is the endpoint? We're starting to organise in solidarity with the people of Iran.

16 October, 2007 - 15:17
lem wrote:
how do you avoid being a part of a bourgeois movement to stop a war? if voices are raised, then why aren't you just a part of the general clamour and noise?

:?:

16 October, 2007 - 16:03
guydebordisdead wrote:

Do you think signing the statement is the endpoint? We're starting to organise in solidarity with the people of Iran.

How exactly are you going to do this?

16 October, 2007 - 16:40
guydebordisdead wrote:
Devrim wrote:
guydebordisdead wrote:
I was even at one of their meetings the other day. So would you agree with the HOPI statement as quoted above?

I could find points where I disagree, but that is not the point. The point is that we don't see that signing these sort of statements has anything to do with class struggle.

Devrim

Do you think signing the statement is the endpoint? We're starting to organise in solidarity with the people of Iran.

No you are not. You are engaging in a political campaign in your own country.

Devrim