US general strike??

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http://news.infoshop.org/ First item

Are infoshop guilty of being a tad optimistic here? Still awesome news no?

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A tad?!?!

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The United States may see its first widespread general strike

isn't that like saying 'very unique'? If its a general strike, its like a general anaesthetic - you're out, whoever you are grin

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yes, they are being optimistic.

considering the possibilty, i think i'll be optimistic too!

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I get the feeling this is either going to be the coolest thing to happen in the US in decades or a complete failure.

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I'm not under any illusions that on May Day we'll see the American economy frozen, but I think that if nothing else the event will serve to scare those in power.

While I was browsing one conservative journal I noticed that they're all decrying the strike by claiming its backed by the "evil communists" and such. You know when the right starts mimicking Joe McCarthy that they are scared.

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So who is actually organising it?

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there's more chance of me meeting getting laid witin the week as there is of a general strike in the US.

Can you guess what one depresses this libertarian communist the most?

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rkn wrote:
So who is actually organising it?

that's the thing, no one has any idea what exactly is going on. infoshop is calling it a general strike but the IWW is talking as if it's a immigrants rights thing.

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It's being organized by all the different facets of the immigrant (particularly Latino) community. Obviously that has its contradictions, for instance in Atlanta it's pretty much set that there will be a strike and boycott but no demonstration...

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there's more chance of me meeting getting laid witin the week as there is of a general strike in the US.

Can you guess what one depresses this libertarian communist the most?

The fact that you'd get off on the latter more than the former? tongue

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The United States may see its first widespread general strike in decades

um, has there ever been a nationwide general strike in the US?

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stopit!

A general strike is nationwide, even i know that and i'm a tool.

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From what I recall of the IWW US mailing list, calling for a general strike on Mayday is kind of traditional. As is denouncing people who say that it's unlikely to happen.

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Did anyone read this carefully?

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The United States may see its first widespread general strike in decades as hundreds of thousands across the U.S. are organizing a strike on May 1st. Another round of massive demos for immigrants is scheduled for many cities. School walkouts are being organized. A general strike is being organized among dockworkers and truckers around the country.

Infoshop News has learned that major retailers such as Wal-Mart are scrambling to move goods around in an effort to minimize disruption caused by the strike.

Tack is right. Widespread means its already not a general strike. And if it is being organized among dockworkers and truckers, its not very general either. Rather specific actually, though it could be a large-scale walkout from those two that would impact other workers and distribution networks, slightly.

This seems ridiculous, actually. One small uptick on demonstrations around immigrants' rights (I say small because we are talking a lot of people but in a short time span with an uncertain level of impact in daily life) and "hundreds of thousands" of people is not so much in a country of over 285 million. 1 million people in the US would be less than 1% of the official working population and barely .35% of the total population.

Besides, its a one-day strike. It will not interfere with much. I think the uproar is a sign of capital's power here. Many people think that even a suggestion of such a thing is criminal and should be punished, not just "capitalists".

Also, there is a difference between a mass strike and a general strike. How many general strikes have been called in the world and what is their history compared to spontaneous mass strikes?

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how aren't these "spontaneous"?

And in Atlanta the last one, about two weeks ago to the day, had between 50-100k people. In a city with a metro population of 4 million - that's larger than any demonstration that's ever happened here, and it happened in the middle of a work day. I don't know about transportation, but I know no construction or foodservice happened that day...

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Leave it to SEIU to throw a wet blanket on the fires of revolution. The vanguard of the so-called "Change To Win" faction is openly declaring its opposition to massive self-managed, directly democratic, direct action oriented organizing that is being carried out by the vast immigrant community in the United States. Consider the following quote:

KPBS SAN DIEGO (2006-04-18) Many advocates for illegal immigrants are urging people not to participate in the worker and student boycott planned for May 1. KPBS Reporter Amy Isackson has details.

The Service Employees International Union represents about 12-thousand workers in San Diego County. Many are undocumented. And one of the union's goals is to support members' efforts to gain legal status.

On May first, thousands of people across the country are expected to skip work and school to demand just that for the 12-million illegal immigrants already in the country.

However, SEIU's San Diego spokesman, Matt O'Connor, says there's a better way.

O'Connor: "Really what's going to get the attention of those who don't realize undocumented workers contribute an enormous amount to the welfare of our community is certainly would come election day if we could register those who are eligible to vote and get them to the polls."

O'Connor says it's not as sexy as a walkout, but political participation has more significant impact in the long run. He's encouraging people to participate in an evening rally.

Los Angeles' Cardinal, who was a vocal leader of last month's marches, has also said he does not support the May boycott. Amy Isackson, KPBS News.

This either proves that SEIU is dutifly serving its capitalist masters or they haven't a clue what is needed to fight the forces of capital. Electoral politics have thus far been a culdesac for progressive change.

O'Connor is cynically trying to coopt the immigrant solidarity movement and channel it into SEIU's primary function as auxiliary to the corporatist Democratic Party machine.

In all liklihood, most of the participants in the May Day demonstrations who're eligible to vote will vote Democrat anyway, so why quell far more revolutionary tactics, unless your goal is to sabotage activity that is actually revolutionary, i.e. direct action?

If you cannot fathom the answer, you haven't yet grasped that business unions function as agents of the capitalist class (whether willingly or unwillingly).

There is no substitute for direct action at the point of production, direct democracy, and revolutionary workers' self management. The IWW supports these goals. SEIU obviously doesn't. Their counterrevolutionary actions are frustrating, but not at all unexpected. SEIU is fighting change and opposing those who wish to win.

Comments and more here: http://www.iww.org/en/node/2405

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General strike can be (and has been) applied to smaller geographical areas than nations. Though this appears to fall far short of any definition it's still good news, if there is a large (relatively) non-attendance at work and massive rallies. smile

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i belonged to the SEIU, back in the bad days of gus bevona. always a real top-down union, not much opposition to the employers then (which, in newyawk, are the wealthiest people in town; they did better last week) but they do tear my feelings, as it's better to have lots of people organized than to have few people organized, unless the union's going to oppose things like this "general" strike.

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I'm not under any illusions that on May Day we'll see the American economy frozen, but I think that if nothing else the event will serve to scare those in power.

that would be a very useful thing. at this point, every increasingly large demonstration of worker power is a useful thing. one step at a time.

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One drive towards a general strike in San Francisco:, El Gran Paro:

http://maydayinthebay.dyndns.org/

A very good-looking campaign supprted by what seems to be a broad anti-authoritarian coalition, we're flyerin gthe Tenderloin tonight, grin

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What exactly is a general strike then?

Wikipedia, that fountain of vast knowledge (and always to be trusted at all times wink ), says a general strike is:

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A general strike is a strike action by an entire labour force in a city, region or country.

but also says:

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The term "general strike" is sometimes also applied to large-scale strikes of all of the workers in a particular industry, such as the Textile workers strike (1934). Those "general" strikes, however massive they might be, only involve workers who are pursuing their own immediate demands. The classic general strike, by contrast, also involves workers who have no direct stake in the outcome of the strike; as an example, in the San Francisco General Strike of 1934, both organized and non-union workers struck for four days in protest of the police and employers' tactics that had killed two picketers and in support of the longshoremen's and seamen's demands.

I'm still curious if there ever has been a nationwide general strike in the US. From a brief look around the web, I see there have been general strikes in Seattle in 1919, San Francisco in 1934 and Oakland in 1946. I like to learn more about US radical history, its a bit of black hole for me.

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In my belief, the most 'general' strike' in American history is the "Great Upheaval" of 1877, which started as a railway worker's strike in West Virginia and fanned out massively and across industrial lines. A total black spot in American History and for good reason. The best account I know of is in Jeremy Brecher's Strike. There's a good look in the Libcom library-

http://libcom.org/history/articles/us-rail-strikes-1877/index.php

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thanks, i'll have a look. and i've read Strike before too, must have forgot

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Yeah if this did happen - even just sporadic walkouts, it's a great demonstration of people realising their political power as workers at the point of production. Anything which grows that awareness is a good thing. I wait with interest to see what happens!

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Sorry for sounding sour, but...

The current wave of activity has been great, a real change from how things have been. I just think that its a bit addled to jump to some triumphalist frame of mind. That is what talk of a "general strike" in this instance, esp a 1 day strike, is doing. Who here is not critical of when the unions or other organizations orchestrate a one day strike, even a large scale one?

The demonstrations and recent events so far are far more interesting than this talk of a 'general strike'. Hell, such a thing can even be a way for the unions and other organizations to maintain or regain, if they feel they have lost, control, or even to release a little bit of the pressure and maintain the appearance of being just a tad more radical than the movement itself. Also, the unions have a record for calling for actions they know will fail in order to deflate people.

In the abscence of real information as to who and under what terms this call for a general strike is being made, I am simply being cautious in my assessment.

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rkn wrote:
So who is actually organising it?

that's the thing, no one has any idea what exactly is going on. infoshop is calling it a general strike but the IWW is talking as if it's a immigrants rights thing.

the people who initially called for it are the same ones who organized the larger rallies in Los Angeles in March/April:

http://www.nohr4437.org/

Looks like they're the ones doing the May 1st thing. That's where I first saw it. I believe they're affiliated with National Immigrant Solidarity Network: http://www.immigrantsolidarity.org/

from what i've seen earlier this month, among the first ones to sign that List of Endorsers on NOHR4437.org on the East Coast of the US was (frmr. u.s. attorney general/Slobodan Milosevic lawyer/Saddam legal adviser) Ramsey Clark's International Action Center (ie INTERNATIONALANSWER.org, TROOPSOUTNOW.org, MillionWorkerMarch.org).

my 2 cents: when it comes to Labor issues the centralist-Socialists (IAC/ANSWER/TROOPSOUT)/Commies (RevCommParty/World Can't Wait) are more organized on the East Coast of the US. i'm not an expert on California but it seems like, at least in San Fran, they'r a bit less authoritarian. for all of my bitchin' about the IAC/ANSWER/centralist-Socialists i do recognize that they DO do a lot of necessary work that others have dropped the ball on. at the same time i've heard reps from other groups complain that ANSWER,etc would schedule demos smack in the middle of someone else's event and draw people away, etc. when approached about it, they'd propose to merge the earlier scheduled event into theirs. ya know, not nice things to do.

Anyone else have any other sources?

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hi freedum. from the US? please visit the NA board.

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we're flyerin gthe Tenderloin tonight
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See, I didn't even think San Francisco was that bad at first. Then I went to the Tenderloin. Nothing tender about that place! That shit was rough! I have never seen crack smoked so openly before. People were sitting in Starbucks, smoking crack and drinking coffee, talking about politics.

Sorry, couldn't resist. grin

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yeah, that's my hood alright, we live in the tender'nob' technically, it is quite 'folkloric'. there are homeless, open crack smoking, etc, it is quite fucked up actually.