2016 U.S. Presidential election

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Dec 9 2016 04:20
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I'd reckon while the 75-100k band does have some skilled workers (both blue collar and tech) it probably also has a lot of small business owners.

In that pay range, I'd imagine most were managers, no?

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Dec 9 2016 05:55

Trump has picked Scott Pruitt, Attorney General of Oklahoma and Climate Denialist to lead the Environmental Protection Agency. In addition to leading the effort of states currently suing the EPA to fight the Clean Power Plan, Pruitt once wrote a letter to federal agencies about 'over reaching regulations that was later discovered to have been written by energy lobbyists.

When he ran for Oklahoma's AG in 2010, it was on a platform to fight EPA regulations. His re-election campaign co-chair was the CEO of an Oklahoma oil and gas company.

Tldr--We're all gonna die.

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Dec 11 2016 15:31

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsD59byZkl0

Not bad.

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Jan 5 2017 22:25

Anyone able to explain what the election hacking is about? Do you believe it?

Whether its true or false it seems the intelligence agencies don't approve of Trump why is that?

Also they are speaking as if they are preparing or want to go to war with Russia

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Jan 5 2017 23:11
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Anyone able to explain what the election hacking is about? Do you believe it?

Whether its true or false it seems the intelligence agencies don't approve of Trump why is that?

Also they are speaking as if they are preparing or want to go to war with Russia

The hacking thing seems very likely. Although the CIA complaining about a foreign intelligence service interfering to get a right-wing leader elected is the most unintentionally LOL thing of 2016.

In terms of why the intelligence agencies don't like Trump, I think with your next sentence you have answered your own question.

As it stands at present, the geopolitical interests of the United States are opposed to those of Russia, so the CIA and co wouldn't want someone Russian friendly in the White House

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Jan 6 2017 05:02

I'll be honest I know it's probably just paranoia and fear but for the first time in my life I'm actually worried about their being a coup in the US.

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Jan 6 2017 05:02

I'm not convinced on the Russian hacking and either way the Democrats are using it to distract from the fact they had literally nothing to offer in the face of right-wing populism. Hillary has basically gone into hiding and all her insipid surrogates and media soldiers have spent the last 2 months going through a long list of who to blame.

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Jan 6 2017 05:57

Much ado about nothing. Really. Have to savor the moment, though. The US, which intervenes all over the world, before, during, and after elections, and with more than hacks-- with guns, money, lawyers, thugs, and drugs, whimpering about the Russians hacking the email of the chairman of the Democratic Party. Iran, Guatemala, Chile, Cuba, Vietnam, Cambodia, the Philippines, Libya, Angola, Italy, Greece......that's democracy; but hacking Podesta's email? That's an outrage.

What does it mean? Same old, same old. The bad Russian bear.

I don't know if I fear a coup, but I do think 2016 was the last presidential election the US is likely to have for a long time.

Caveat emptor: If I was any good at making predictions, I move to Las Vegas.

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Jan 6 2017 07:10
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The US, which intervenes all over the world, before, during, and after elections, and with more than hacks-- with guns, money, lawyers, thugs, and drugs, whimpering about the Russians hacking the email of the chairman of the Democratic Party.

All of that's brushed aside, or simply not talked about, as if our intervention/involvement with places like Haiti or Nicaragua were justified, and where any dissent is categorized as "cheering for the bad guys." We must always be justifiably "spreading democracy" in Nicaragua and other places and "protecting" the world by taking innocent people's lives like with Al Shifa, then of course using "collateral damage" whenever something goes wrong, etc. When that's realized, it's just farcical reading in the Washington Post about possible Russian hacking, a bourgeois-minded thing to be concerned about.

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Jan 6 2017 13:15
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The hacking thing seems very likely.

yes. the PRC and mossad (iirc) have broken into american govt networks, and the NSA is surely breaking into or trying to break into government networks all over the world. that the FSB (or whatever agency) is not doing this or trying to do this to the US or any other govt is incredible, apart the details of this situation. they tried a number of networks, got into this one, perhaps targeted, perhaps not, but that the russian govt might feel simpatico with what looks like a strongman who says nice things about them (e.g. encouraging them to break into clinton's emails) and feel antipathy towards someone who is quite frank about her opposition to your geopolitical efforts is not insane and might drive your intelligence efforts.

as to why intelligence pros don't like him: this is a guy who has made crap up and gotten into the white house by doing so. now he makes crap up about his knowledge of intelligence and the people who do that for a living (well or poorly) get annoyed. they also imagine that what they do is Important Stuff. they also want to keep their jobs. why wouldn't they get annoyed? we'll see what happens later today when the spooks visit him here on 5th ave.

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Jan 6 2017 18:25

So how much support do you think he has amongst the ruling class? If there are powerful organisations and people that hate him and if he's friendly with Russia or Putin then why was he even allowed to become president?

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Jan 6 2017 19:38

He's got lots of support. The bourgeoisie don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing. They're only too happy to accommodate the crackpot aspects of this in return for tax breaks, driving down living standards, gutting regulations, getting rid or irksome regulations, and pushing back on the minimum wage... the Koch Bros are in line; so is Wall Street.

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Jan 6 2017 22:32

For those interested, the first "issue" of Anti-Capital is up:

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Jan 7 2017 08:14
S. Artesian wrote:
For those interested, the first "issue" of Anti-Capital is up:

Sounds similar to what Richard Wolff touches upon in some of his essays about the 2007 crisis.

https://socialistworker.org/blog/critical-reading/2011/12/26/marxist-explanation-crisis

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Jan 7 2017 13:57
S. Artesian wrote:
For those interested, the first "issue" of Anti-Capital is up:

Can you say what you found interesting about it?

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Jan 7 2017 18:24

The analysis of two concrete struggles-- state workers, and aluminum industry workers; the article on defense groups.

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Jan 10 2017 05:12

Of course the notion of the American IC feigning shock and horror at election rigging is beyond parody, but I do have some thoughts on the hacking story, Putin's role in the global rise of the far right, and why we as communist should care, but I haven't found the time to finish it yet. Hopefully soon . . .

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S. Artesian wrote:
For those interested, the first "issue" of Anti-Capital is up:
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Can you say what you found interesting about it?

I've only read the intro so far but I enjoyed it and look forward to reading the rest. Did you find something objectionable or find it uninteresting?

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Jan 10 2017 13:06

I've only read the article on Wisconsin but thought it was idealistic. It posits a platonic ideal of some perfect socialist movement which all of our existing movements fall short of. It also puts out the idea that the Madison teacher's sickouts were the key foundation for the possibility of a general strike, but doesn't ask how they were actually organized, or why they stopped after only three days.

ETA: I also think more effort should be put into production value and accessibility. I'm not sure what the goal or target audience for the blog are though.

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Jan 13 2017 00:51

And...thats how it ends.

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Jan 13 2017 06:42
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I've only read the article on Wisconsin but thought it was idealistic. It posits a platonic ideal of some perfect socialist movement which all of our existing movements fall short of. It also puts out the idea that the Madison teacher's sickouts were the key foundation for the possibility of a general strike, but doesn't ask how they were actually organized, or why they stopped after only three days.

ETA: I also think more effort should be put into production value and accessibility. I'm not sure what the goal or target audience for the blog are though.

The author of the Wisconsin article has responded to Oliver's comments here , probably a better place to discuss Wisconsin-- avoid derailing this thread.

Re Trump as president, the conflicts of interest for Trump are mind-boggling, and his bullshit of turning over "control" to his sons is well...bullshit.

Not that anybody in Congress really cares. But I think they, the Congress and the military, do care about Russia, and I wouldn't put it past the anti-brain anti-trust group around Trump to take a page out of the Erdogan playbook and stage a phony coup attempt-- allowing the Trump-ets to rule by emergency orders, purge the military, and the government, suppress the press, etc. etc.

It certainly would rally his brown-shirt core.

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Jan 24 2017 10:46

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/314163-trump-to-meet-with-top-labor-leader

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Trumka entered Trump Tower at around 10:30 a.m. and left around noon. He told reporters it was a "very productive" meeting and that they spoke about "a lot of issues." On Twitter, he also called their conversation "very honest."
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Jan 24 2017 16:43

Heard on the radio this morning that Trump has already signed on to resuming building both the XL Keystone and DAPL pipelines.

Anyone have more details?

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Jan 24 2017 16:57
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Heard on the radio this morning that Trump has already signed on to resuming building both the XL Keystone and DAPL pipelines.

Anyone have more details?

that's basically it, he just signed both executive orders, as well as saying they will need to be built with American steel. He also signed an executive order ordering the expediting of environmental reviews on infrastructure projects.

He also claimed to be an environmentalist…

A journalist asked him if he had a comment on the Standing Rock protesters, and he didn't respond

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Jan 25 2017 04:58

This isn't surprising. They boast about how many jobs will be created, but most are only temporary construction jobs. I've seen different estimates about how many permanent jobs will be created after the DAPL and Keystone are built. This article cites both pipelines will create less than 100 permanent jobs. This isn't to mention all the environmental risks and consequences associated with the pipelines, or the opposition from native groups and activists. This certainly won't help Trump's popularity.

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Jan 25 2017 11:07

Jesuithitsquad wrote: I do have some thoughts on the hacking story, Putin's role in the global rise of the far right, and why we as communist should care, but I haven't found the time to finish it yet. Hopefully soon . . .

I hope you do finish it and post it. I always enjoy and learn a lot from your posts.

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Jan 26 2017 17:51

Apologies

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Jan 26 2017 13:49

I really hope not, given that she was just a teenager when he stalked her, moved across the country to live near here, hand delivered things to her door and threatened to commit suicide in front of her, making her terrified and terrorized. I'm not all that sure that stalking, intimidating and making someone fear for their life counts as much of a joke at all, tbh.

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Jun 3 2017 07:57

An interesting new article: The working class’s role in Trump’s election.

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None of this is to say manufacturing as an economic foundation for a county did not matter at all in the election. But it boosted Trump only in counties that were predominately white.
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Jun 3 2017 16:21
jura wrote:
An interesting new article: The working class’s role in Trump’s election.
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None of this is to say manufacturing as an economic foundation for a county did not matter at all in the election. But it boosted Trump only in counties that were predominately white.

Thanks Jura for an insightful article.

This sums it up:

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Trump did not win the white working class, Clinton lost it.
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Jun 3 2017 18:13

Yes, very good article