April 29th NYC

FinnMacCool
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Submitted by FinnMacCool on 25 April, 2006 - 01:03.

I heard theres a march going on in NYC on the 29th. I heard it from somebody from a Food Not Bombs chapter.

So anyone know if its good, or is it just the democrat party flexing muscles. Cause I saw their website www.april29.org and I wasn't impressed.

Oh whoops wrong website. Its fixed now.

freedum
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25 April, 2006 - 22:17

hey FinnMacCool,

i think you're probably right... April 29 is being put together by the liberal group United For Peace & Justice together with traditional Dem supporters like the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition & National Organization for Women. they seem to be dead silent about the May 1 GS proposal as well, which is kinda lame of them and further clearifies what they're about. i guess, it's worth checking out if only cause Veterans for Peace is one of the participants and by extension Iraq Veterans Against the War. a friend from M*A*M*A* is going with a lot of women and kids.

as people in NYC Indymedia have commented it'll likely be another cattledrive. these large marches can't hurt (if only to annoy the Republicrats) so long as they happen on a regular basis even if hot-headed college kids are upset that they won't result in "1936 NOW!" (or even "1968, sorta").

FinnMacCool
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26 April, 2006 - 00:40

Ah well. . .

I'm going anyway, if only because I have nothing better to do that day.

Personally I think anarchists should go to these types of marches anyways just to kinda represent the idealogy. But hey it could be worse.

If you know about any kind of anarchist action going in NYC anytime soon, pm or something.

I have yet to be involved in a serious anarchist protest. Not really my fault I just don't live near a lot of anarchists.

freedum
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26 April, 2006 - 14:51

this group just got formed:

New York Metro Alliance of Anarchists

in general there's stuff posted on here:

http://www.anarco-nyc.net/

and on http://nyc.indymedia.org

whenever some anarchist even is coming up.

Quote:
Personally I think anarchists should go to these types of marches anyways just to kinda represent the idealogy. But hey it could be worse.

i think you're right overall. although there are problems with it because cops looks specifically for anyone labeling themselves as anarchists in any way. so if you're holding a black flag, a sign of banner that identifies you as anarchist, you're target #1 for provocation and, should any scuffles arise, arrest. for those of us who are immigrants, arrest also raises the spectre of deportation and hence, it may be more prudent to remain anonymous in a large crowd of protesters.

FinnMacCool
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26 April, 2006 - 15:27

Thanks for the links. I know of the NYMAA but I've never went to any of their meetings yet. I plan on it though.

our government is still oppressive against anarchists. In Long Island, they've indicted all these anarchists as domestic terrroirsts, which is bullshit.

Catch 22
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27 April, 2006 - 02:47
FinnMacCool wrote:
Thanks for the links. I know of the NYMAA but I've never went to any of their meetings yet. I plan on it though.

our government is still oppressive against anarchists. In Long Island, they've indicted all these anarchists as domestic terrroirsts, which is bullshit.

I'm not aware of the county govenrments declaring anarchists as enemies of the state or anything.

FinnMacCool
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27 April, 2006 - 02:59
Quote:

I'm not aware of the county govenrments declaring anarchists as enemies of the state or anything.

Yeah but the FBI takes us very seriously. A lot of kids got arrested for trumped up charges of "domestic terrorism" or some bullshit like that.

Catch 22
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27 April, 2006 - 03:15

when was this?

freedum
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27 April, 2006 - 14:17
Catch 22 wrote:
I'm not aware of the county govenrments declaring anarchists as enemies of the state or anything.

this may be more of a humorous note than anything else but i've seen a copy of the NY State legal code and there's actually a crime category in NY State called "Criminal Anarchy." i don't have it on me at the moment but the basics of it say something like "anyone that advocates or attempts the overthrow of the NY State gov't (daaaamn youuuu Pataki!!! grin ), or knowingly publishes or distributes literature that advocates such actions can be prosecuted on the Ciminal Anarchy charge." i forgot which class Felony it is. i gotta look it up.

petey "They gonna eat your shoulders."
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27 April, 2006 - 15:19

thanks for the links above, freedum

freedum wrote:
daaaamn youuuu Pataki!!! grin

oh brother

FinnMacCool
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27 April, 2006 - 16:25

UPDATE!

Anarchist contingent will form in NYC

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20060426203038397

Catch 22
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27 April, 2006 - 22:18
freedum wrote:
Catch 22 wrote:
I'm not aware of the county govenrments declaring anarchists as enemies of the state or anything.

this may be more of a humorous note than anything else but i've seen a copy of the NY State legal code and there's actually a crime category in NY State called "Criminal Anarchy." i don't have it on me at the moment but the basics of it say something like "anyone that advocates or attempts the overthrow of the NY State gov't (daaaamn youuuu Pataki!!! grin ), or knowingly publishes or distributes literature that advocates such actions can be prosecuted on the Ciminal Anarchy charge." i forgot which class Felony it is. i gotta look it up.

§ 240.15 Criminal anarchy. A person is guilty of criminal anarchy when (a) he advocates the overthrow of the existing form of government of this state by violence, or (b) with knowledge of its contents, he publishes, sells or distributes any document which advocates such violent overthrow, or (c) with knowledge of its purpose, he becomes a member of any organization which advocates such violent overthrow. Criminal anarchy is a class E felony.

It hasn't been enforced in ages (much like the sedition acts of WWI), but it certainly could be. Perhaps this could be up for a repeal campaign? Along with the Taylor law?

petey "They gonna eat your shoulders."
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27 April, 2006 - 23:39
Catch 22 wrote:
Along with the Taylor law?

oh yeah

Catch 22
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27 April, 2006 - 23:42

Not a very enthusiastic "oh yeah" new.

petey "They gonna eat your shoulders."
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28 April, 2006 - 00:04

sorry.

OH FUCKIN YEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHBOY

freedum
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28 April, 2006 - 04:45
Catch 22 wrote:
(much like the sedition acts of WWI)...

you'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll throw your shoe at your screen:

Quote:
Sedition act will protect America

By: Jacqueline Willison | 4/6/06

Sidelines Online: the Student Newspaper of Middle Tennessee State University

I couldn't help but squeal with glee in a recent U. S. History class when my professor went over the Alien and Sedition Act of the Adams administration. "What a great idea!" I thought with my eyes, no doubt, shining.

Though the alien part is uninteresting to me, the sedition part immensely intrigued me. In today's America, opinion columnists can verbally flog the President of the United States, and his administration. They can even trash talk all of their local government officials if they want.

Citizens in today's America can be members of organizations that meet to mock and work against our current leaders. In fact, dissenters can do everything short of causing mass violence and dialing bomb threats. All of this is horribly wrong.

It is wrong thinking that leads to violence against a nation. We must nip these crimes in the bud of where they start.

This country was not made for the voices of contrary dissonance, but rather, made for the compliancy of the people united in total trust of the leadership.

I think I can say with full confidence that our forefathers would frown strongly on our current leaders who allow those citizens who disagree and mock them to walk free. They would also, most likely, point and laugh at their inability to punish or inhibit opposing opinions.

Modern government's attitude of allowing different opinions to air their complaints is harming our country. This attitude is dividing America.

What today's America needs are leaders that look less kindly on wayward behavior and thought, and will instead treat its citizens with an iron fist, if you will.

Today's America needs a new sedition act.

We need a new sedition act because nobody should be allowed to publish criticism of our leaders. For example, if someone believes that our President is a draft-dodging unintelligent frat boy, and they pollute others' minds with such treasonous language, they deserve to be imprisoned and thrown out of the country...

Steven. ""Best hair at Unison conference""
Posts: 1854 Joined: 27-06-06 Location: London
28 April, 2006 - 09:57
freedum wrote:
Catch 22 wrote:
(much like the sedition acts of WWI)...

you'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll throw your shoe at your screen:

Quote:
Sedition act will protect America

By: Jacqueline Willison | 4/6/06

Sidelines Online: the Student Newspaper of Middle Tennessee State University

For example, if someone believes that our President is a draft-dodging unintelligent frat boy, and they pollute others' minds with such treasonous language, they deserve to be imprisoned and thrown out of the country...

That's blatantly satire.

... isn't it?

Nah course it is.

Catch 22
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28 April, 2006 - 21:32
newyawka wrote:
sorry.

OH FUCKIN YEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHBOY

There we go!

And yeah that's blatant satire

FinnMacCool
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30 April, 2006 - 00:32

Hi all! Just giving an update.

The march was very peaceful, no arrests were made and there was something around ten thousand people who went out.

I was with the anarchists in Students for a Democratic Society. I think we were the only contigent that turned some heads because of our provocative chants and the fact that we were one of the loudest there. We were the only group that comprised of almost entirely of youth activists.

Unfortunately, we only had around 40 people in our contingent. The reason for this is probably due to the fact that Infoshop.org gave us the wrong place to meet. However, I still found them eventually.

All in all it was a lot of fun, but there wasn't very much action. I plan on going to more protests which take a more militant approach. However, I personally had no problem with our non violent stance. You don't have to be violent to be proud of what your doing.

This was the first time that I've marched under the red and black flag, and I must say that I am extremely proud of having done so. I plan on doing this again and again. I will be active in supporting our cause for however long it takes.

I will post some pictures tommorow.

Oh btw, I saw no protest warriors so they must have gotten taken care of before the march black bloc smile

imposs1904
Posts: 14 Joined: 26-03-06 Location: United States, New York
30 April, 2006 - 03:26

I was also at the demo in New York, and I have to say there were quite a few contingents that made a strong impression.

Though I'm loathe to say it the vanguardist Progressive Labor Party bloc on the march made a big impression. They had a lot of youth, and they were all dressed in red t shirts (though I couldn't be arsed to see what was on the t shirt.) Also, the ethnic mix of that contingent was very mixed.

I also think there were more than 10000 on the demo.

all the best,

Darren

http://www.myspace.com/socialiststandard

petey "They gonna eat your shoulders."
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1 May, 2006 - 13:00
FinnMacCool wrote:
I was with the anarchists in Students for a Democratic Society.

is this the same group from the 60s?

revolutionrugger "Putting the "class" back in Class Struggle"
Posts: 951 Joined: 23-03-06 Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
1 May, 2006 - 18:15

yeah its a bunch of sixty-year olds. roll eyes

Catch 22
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1 May, 2006 - 19:36

Yeah it's reconstituted from a couple of organically created campus groups and regional coordinators from way back when.

http://www.studentsforademocraticsociety.org/

petey "They gonna eat your shoulders."
Posts: 2960 Joined: 13-10-05
1 May, 2006 - 20:03

i keep trying to log into the IWW site, but can't get in: "too many connections"! mayday madness!

Catch 22
Posts: 494 Joined: 01-04-06
1 May, 2006 - 20:51

lol, I really want to get involved with the IWW, but I don't know where to go. Suffolk county is the friggen boonies for most NY based anarcho groups.