sorry to be all stupid - but when is St George's day?
St Georges Day- BNP in central Manchester
other things - if this is public info and this is manchester they would have quite big numbers; manchester is definitely not a BNP stronghold and there would be plenty of people even just wondering around town that the BNP would be worried about.
Maybe thats not the case any more, i don't know.
Gentlemen,
There are some dodgy doctrinal discrepancies at play.
Historians are generally agreed that St George was of Eastern Mediterranian extraction (and certainly not of solid Aryan stock).
Rather than celebrate him as a national hero - in today's terms - the BNP might more accurately choose to portray him as an asylum seeker ekeing out an existence picking peas or foraging for winkles in this fine nation of ours.
Peter Good(TCA)
Michelle wrote:
it is public info cos i read it in the big issue so hopefully UAF will be there.
Maybe we should tell these BNP people about the origin of st George on the off chance they might realise how stupid their views are and change thier minds. prob wont work tho.
To be honest, I think this is possibly the worst thing to focus on. People aren't voting BNP because they're inspired by the Aryan purity of St. George, it's hardly relevant.
madashell wrote:
Michelle wrote:
it is public info cos i read it in the big issue so hopefully UAF will be there.
Maybe we should tell these BNP people about the origin of st George on the off chance they might realise how stupid their views are and change thier minds. prob wont work tho.To be honest, I think this is possibly the worst thing to focus on. People aren't voting BNP because they're inspired by the Aryan purity of St. George, it's hardly relevant.
Ditto.
madashell wrote:
Michelle wrote:
it is public info cos i read it in the big issue so hopefully UAF will be there.
Maybe we should tell these BNP people about the origin of st George on the off chance they might realise how stupid their views are and change thier minds. prob wont work tho.To be honest, I think this is possibly the worst thing to focus on. People aren't voting BNP because they're inspired by the Aryan purity of St. George, it's hardly relevant.
Still if they're being dickheaded enough to do a stall celebrating it they are standing in the tradition - the NF springs to mind. Its hardly the low key community work approach they apparently never shy from (hint: they do. They still love the sillyness).
The choice is either addressing the genuine concerns of people voting BNP or addressing the BNP. One takes decades, centuries, the other about 5 - 10 minutes.
Tacks wrote:
Still if they're being dickheaded enough to do a stall celebrating it they are standing in the tradition - the NF springs to mind. Its hardly the low key community work approach they apparently never shy from (hint: they do. They still love the sillyness).
Yeah, but if all people want to do is piss on the local BNP's chips, they can just show up as anarcho-morris dancers or something equally daft 
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The choice is either addressing the genuine concerns of people voting BNP or addressing the BNP. One takes decades, centuries, the other about 5 - 10 minutes.
Well said 
Negative campaigning against the BNP strikes me as a bit pointless, really. Organising for self defence against fascists is all very well in the right circumstances, and often absolutely necessary, but it can become a distraction.
If you were not already aware the BNP locally is organised throught the 'Ace of Diamonds' landlord on Oldham Road. They have been pretty clever getting local 'community' type rags out leaching off (like all politicians) some genuine opposition from local residents to the demolition of some houses (mostly Council Houses) as part of a Housing PFI scheme (which also has some benefits to other residents). The City Council and local Labour Councillors are also active with some local residents groups and helping sponsor this event to play the 'moderate' nationalist card in the hope of fending off the BNP in the comming elections. Miles Platting has been a largely white working class area with the usual sprinkling of both decent 'community' activists and residual racism. Its a murky little scene which needs careful handling. Areas like Miles Platting have unfortunately been somewhat neglected by more positive radical elements.
Just seen this list of where BNP candidates are standing in May elections
http://www.blink.org.uk/docs/bnp_candmay07.pdf
shocked they are standing in so many places
spike wrote:
Just seen this list of where BNP candidates are standing in May elections
http://www.blink.org.uk/docs/bnp_candmay07.pdf
shocked they are standing in so many places
ta for that, i'll have a look.
Wow - that must be the entire membership presenting itself. I think a good tactic to argue against them is to point out the fact that they are led by a half blind, Cambridge graduate/public schoolboy with pretensions of grandeur. They claim to represent the "white working class" but are desperate to be accepted by the white middle classes and the white upper classes. Their way of changing the world for the working class is to insist that their candidates wear suits, ties and shiny shoes and avoid any references to race or anything disagreeable to middle class sensibilities: "we'll defend the working class, but first let's try to be middle class." They talk about "getting power" when it is blindingly obvious to all that this is never going to happen -- so what they mean is that they will settle for any amount of power: they are keen to get elected, not to represent the interests of the "white working class" but to build an image of themselves as a powerful political force. Their record as effective councillors is non-existent.
Point out how prior to 1948 (their watershed), the "white working class" were still disenfranchised; still alienated from society's powerful institutions; still filling the cells in the prisons; still being sent to die in wars; still had a lower life expectancy than the wealthy; still had limited opportunities; still had to take their places in the unemployment lines. Suggest that this is more to do with the fact that they are "working class" rather than "white". Point out how immigrants are often lumped in with the working class and that parties like the BNP only serve to divide the working class and singularly fail to serve the interests of the working class by lying about who the enemy is. Is it any coincidence that fascist parties are never run by members of the working class?
Point out how the BNP waffles on about muslims, gays, corporal punishment and all that shit, but has failed to put forward any decent proposals about how to improve the lives of the working class. Instead of addressing the questions about how to deal with mass redundancies or the chains of debt, they come up with policies like banning muslims from using aeroplanes.
I think that one good strategy for Manchester on St George's day would be to have a big crowd of muslims, gays, black people etc permanently crowding around their stall expressing a real interest in what the BNP have to say and why they should vote for them.
patchanga wrote:
Wow - that must be the entire membership presenting itself.
Noty even close. The BNP has thousands of members; i remember hearing they had over 4000, but i think that was years ago and they now have far far more.
Its still an incredible number of candidates, they definitely don't have the money to finace that many campaigns; a lot of theose are just going to be names on a piece of paper.
on st georges day the BNP are planning to sell their merchandise and giving out their propoganda at the st georges day parade. I think we need to be handing out our own propoganda in retaliation to this. what we hand out needs to directly contradict all of the BNPs arguments in an intelligant and civillised way. I think if we're going to stop the nazis from making people believe the rubbish they try to spread we need to do more than just say the BNP are racist. that is something many people dont think is true. they are trying to convince the general public that its true and many are falling for it. So basically im calling on all the good manchester leftys to come up with a good leaflet to hand out at the parade. Im rubbish at that sort of thing but im very good at handing out leaflets.