Melbourne Anarcho-Queer group...expressions of interest.
There is no name for the group as of such however there is support for a group of this nature in the Melbourne Anarchist Resource Centre.
Open to anybody who identifies as Queer, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Pansexual, Trans, Intersexual, Cisgender, Two Spirit, Androgyne, Genderqueer, Genderfuck, Fa'Fa'Fine, non-heterosexual...etc you get the point. 
Strongly encourage Trans folk and People of all Genders and Queers of Colour to take part.
Blog creation in progress...drop me a line for further details.
The aim is to incorporate a stronger Queer perspective into the Anarcho movement and to provide a space where Queer Anarchists can freely address issues important to their struggle...etc
Hugs, Kisses and Molotov COCKtails;
Riot_Queer
Zing!
Your emphasis on cock shows the underlying patriarchy that is inherent in any so-called "revolutionary" group of men, regardless of who they choose to fuck. The lifestyle of gay men is just a thin cover for their misogyny and is the logical conclusion of capitalist patriarchy.
lol.
what the FUCK man
Your emphasis on cock shows the underlying patriarchy that is inherent in any so-called "revolutionary" group of men, regardless of who they choose to fuck. The lifestyle of gay men is just a thin cover for their misogyny and is the logical conclusion of capitalist patriarchy.lol.
I am going to assume that you are just taking the piss...
I was wondering whether you would make a comment about that. I put the emphasis on that part of the word as a bit of toungue in cheek humour. In no way was I implying that the group would be male dominated.
And if you were being serious..."lifestyle"? Hello! It's not a "lifestyle", it's how we are...I am not a misogynist prick because I am a Gay male...just because I am a Homosexual doesn't mean I don't like women in any way, just means I am not attracted to em' and as a result of that I don't sleep with them. Quite a simple concept to get your head around.
weeler wrote:
Your emphasis on cock shows the underlying patriarchy that is inherent in any so-called "revolutionary" group of men, regardless of who they choose to fuck. The lifestyle of gay men is just a thin cover for their misogyny and is the logical conclusion of capitalist patriarchy.lol.
I am going to assume that you are just taking the piss...
Signs that indicate someone's taking the piss:
1) ending a post with lol.
2) being weeler
Your emphasis on cock shows the underlying patriarchy that is inherent in any so-called "revolutionary" group of men, regardless of who they choose to fuck. The lifestyle of gay men is just a thin cover for their misogyny and is the logical conclusion of capitalist patriarchy.lol.
roflocoptor?
dude,
being, like ,queer, is so, like, petty bourgeois dude
cheers for yr cutting edge analysis mate
sorry if i come off ignorant or something but why are you making a group predicated on the fact that you don't like to sleep with women? how does this make your struggle different from mine exactly? isn't breaking down these kind of gender roles/sexuality identity politics kind of the point? i mean it's your life but why not do something useful, there's like 6 anarchists in australia as it is, lolz
sorry if i come off ignorant or something but why are you making a group predicated on the fact that you do like to sleep with men?
fixed, your other definition was negatively defining them dude, not cool. gay as the absence of straightness and all that, totally like heteronormative worldview.
there's like 6 anarchists in australia as it is, lolz
HAHAHAHA
Half of them are being tried for actions at the G20, and the other half are the mutiny collective.
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there's like 6 anarchists in australia as it is, lolzHAHAHAHA
Half of them are being tried for actions at the G20, and the other half are the mutiny collective.
This does feel like it's the case sometimes lol...
sorry if i come off ignorant or something but why are you making a group predicated on the fact that you don't like to sleep with women? how does this make your struggle different from mine exactly? isn't breaking down these kind of gender roles/sexuality identity politics kind of the point? i mean it's your life but why not do something useful, there's like 6 anarchists in australia as it is, lolz
Perfectly fine question to ask there juozokas...
As far as I am concerned, the struggle of the movement is a struggle against all forms of oppression, not just class based. The Trots tend to put it down to class struggle only, if not it is all then related back to class issues.
So in this case, you cannot push aside the struggles of Women, Queers, People of Colour...etc. There is an estabilshed Anarcho-Feminist movement as it is and I do think that it is important to have an Anarcho-Queer movement as well.
The fear of identity politics should really be addressed as I would not want to advocate Queer Seperatism (that's my opinion), however our struggle should not be sidelined because of who we are and how we identify.
When you are oppressed for reasons of sexuality or gender identity by the same system and society that we all fight against then it becomes more than just who you sleep with.
Queers like everybody else are oppressed on more or less the same lines as others however we have an added feature to our oppression, in the same way as Women do and in the same way as People of Colour do...
Gabs wrote:
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there's like 6 anarchists in australia as it is, lolzHAHAHAHA
Half of them are being tried for actions at the G20, and the other half are the mutiny collective.
This does feel like it's the case sometimes lol...
aw, come on, i know at least 7...
As Lenin would say, Fewer but Better!
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there's like 6 anarchists in australia as it is, lolzHAHAHAHA
Half of them are being tried for actions at the G20, and the other half are the mutiny collective.
not true!
As far as I am concerned, the struggle of the movement is a struggle against all forms of oppression, not just class based. The Trots tend to put it down to class struggle only, if not it is all then related back to class issues.
The reason class is of importance is because it's not just another form of "oppression" like all the others; instead, the proletariat has the potential to pull this society apart. Being working class isn't an oppression to be affirmed; we don't want to overcome 'class-based oppression' and keep class society with the working class on top. Rather the proletariat must negate itself, destroying capitalism in the process. What's subversive about the proletarian condition is that we're cut off, alienated, with no control either over our lives or the meaning of what we have to do to earn a living (apologies to Gilles Dauve), and by negating ourselves as workers we also destroy the present society and establish a human one in its place. Affirming various "oppressions" won't do that (note that I am not saying just struggles are worthless, but that they ultimately don't threaten this society).
On the other hand, the trots actually do see the working class as something to be affirmed, so you nearly have a point there.
People of Colour
lol
People of Colour
lol
Dude...seriously wtf?
People of Colour as in the general term applying to people from a non-Anglo-European background.
Yes, it is a pretty fucking patronising term, lumping every single person who isn't an Anglo together like they all form one homogenous mass with the same interests, which obviously must be opposed to that of all Anglos. Would Barack Obama and some Afghan on a bridging visa both be able to participate in a "struggle of People of Colour"? What commonality do they have, other than being oppressed by Whitey?
Obama is oppressed!
I'd love to see this group active, and would love to get my hands on any propaganda the group produces. Fact is, til this thread, i'd never heard 7 of those words in that list of "trans-gender, queer, etc", so as much as i think i'm cool calling out people at work as homophobes for telling stories about how scared they were of the trannies(in adelaides oldest/most well known gay bar), i feel completely ignorant about homophobia, as i'm never faced with it.
Of course, i know enough to understand that modern subtle/covered/socially accepted homophobia that occured of "what? i'm not a homophobe! it's just gross."
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I'd love to see this group active, and would love to get my hands on any propaganda the group produces. Fact is, til this thread, i'd never heard 7 of those words in that list of "trans-gender, queer, etc", so as much as i think i'm cool calling out people at work as homophobes for telling stories about how scared they were of the trannies(in adelaides oldest/most well known gay bar), i feel completely ignorant about homophobia, as i'm never faced with it.Of course, i know enough to understand that modern subtle/covered/socially accepted homophobia that occured of "what? i'm not a homophobe! it's just gross."
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Nice to see somebody here seems to show interest...cheers Gabs...I'll keep ya posted.
People of Colour as in the general term applying to people from a non-Anglo-European background.
The term is not without contestation I think is the point, and all forms of organisation are open to critique/trolling.
One of the 6 reporting in.
Riot_Queer wrote:
People of Colour as in the general term applying to people from a non-Anglo-European background.The term is not without contestation I think is the point, and all forms of organisation are open to critique/trolling.
One of the 6 reporting in.
Seems to be more trolling than critique though Lumpen... 
Just because Queers have our own issues and our own oppression to put up with, does not make us inferior or less important in the class war.
As far as I am concerned, as a Queer within the Anarchist movement I hold the class war to be important like others here do.
However I also have the baggage of being Queer and for that I also face another tier of oppression, none that is exactly more important than any other form of oppression but important to me none the less.
Worth a read: http://www.anarchistnews.org/?q=node/6297
If you don't want to go to the link, here is the text...
Because the page I originally found this piece on no longer exists, and it has not been widely propagated on the net, I've decided this is one of the places I'd like to stash it. Because it was delivered 'wall of text' style, I've broken it up into easier to swallow bites and added a comma and a {few words} here and there. Other than that, the only thing I have to do with this piece is I'm a queer anarchist and I approve of it's message. Though nearly fourteen year have passed since this was penned, it seems still quite relevant...
Queer(y)ing Anarchism
Of course an Anarchist Conference is said to be what the people attending make it; yes this is fundamental to Anarchism. And while no conference, convention, meeting, discussion, book, or bachelor and spinsters ball that the Anarchist movement produces can cover everything, it must in principle be open and respectful of all the differing complex aspects of the people dedicated and caring enough to come (despite the well-founded warnings of their friends too fed up these days to attend.) It must reflect those peoples lives and the struggles for justice, freedom, fun, and fruit loops (organic and homemade though they be!) that they bring with them to inform why it is they seek a vision of freedom that Anarchism might almost provide. BUT people are people and certain people are the same people making the same nauseating noises wherever you go, and so this Anarchist conference has finally turned this writer into an Anasarcasticist of Anarcaustic proportions and thus {having been} asked most earnestly over and over to put pen to paper I instead snuck into someone's office and stole the following which I now reproduce in the interests of `free thought':
OFFICE COPY
VISIONS OF FREEDOM CONFERENCE 95
REQUIREMENTS FOR ATTENDANCE
Appendix: page 307 , Category Z : QUEERS. BEFORE PROCEEDING:
We would like to make ourselves clear. All of the following rules and regulations do not paint a particular picture of reality, they do not designate borders of analysis and discussion across which you must not cross, they do not validate, legitimise and perpetuate the amplification of voices already working hard at silencing anyone who politically, culturally, racially, sexually, or through the vast mass of gender-oriented barriers and constraints, is an `other', a deviant, a whingeing social work case. There are special workshops for people suffering these tiresome delusions. These are just basic guidelines for the smooth running of workshops and the quick completion of the plenary sessions. You don't have to read these rules, remember in Anarchism nothing is compulsory, not even listening to or respecting other people and their differences. So grab your clipboards, tousle that hair, practise those quizzical frowns and lets go. (n.b.: `queers' refers to those designated as discussable in the section of extraneous workshops for groups deemed `other' such as those also for women, aboriginal peoples, etc...)
Rule 1) Don't wear a dress, boys or girls or neither. Anarchists have no dress sense and no sense of humour .If you're a boy then you're either parodying women in a derogatory way or along with anyone else in a frock you're dressed impractically for the revolutionary rioting scheduled at lunch break.
Rule 2) Arse fucking is a filthy non-procreative waste of resources (lube and condoms) and energy(calories). The same can be said of vaginal fisting, but dykes don't have sex, bisexuals just talk about it and trannies are stuck in their fish-nets for life... Neither do anarchists, so don't mention it as relevant to any analysis of the operations of dominant culture. Except if people are put in jail or shot by the army for doing it then sex has no place on our radical agenda, but since there are very few instances of this for heterosexual male pursuits in history then if you must bring it up save it for the appropriate group's workshop.
If, however,you are a prime time presenter of some big time anarchist issue feel free to make off the cuff derogatory remarks about the practitioners of SM or prostitution or those that raise anything relevant to oppression due to missing out on membership to the angry anarchist boys brigade. And if you can't possibly say anything insightful or productive about an issue such as East Timor then feel free to defer to homophobic, hung-up jokes about arse fucking.
Rule 3) From this you can see that power is a one dimensional concept and thus too is injustice. Which makes everything easy then. It's all about factories and working and growing veggies in Utopia, oh and {about} newspapers and lots of books, books and bookshops. It's not really about the way people relate to each other and rescue each other with love or sex or sharing drugs or shoplifted lollies just to get through this hell hole of industrial culture, but here I digress.
(So the rule here is if you can't see it but it makes you feel pain or scared or invisible or worthless or misunderstood and alone, then it is not real, you're just queer or something, take some Anarchism and you'll feel better. Violence or power or oppression do not operate on levels that involve your mind, your heart, your sex or sexuality or your desire to defy either. They were just joking then; `no one is free till we are all free' has become `when we win we'll be more tolerant than they were' of what we're not sure though. Or maybe this is just the recruitment catch-cry of a revolutionary movement that needs as much fucking support as it can get but will not, can not, or just plain won't, regard with any seriousness the issues of people who toil just as hard for change that they discover excludes them.)
Rule 4) Don't say anything about any of the things I've just talked about, don't respond to other peoples exclusion of your reality, don't defy anything that perpetuates any of these already prevalent notions that you may see plastered to the walls or sprawled on the desks cos this will be called CENSORSHIP.(Self-censorship is an acceptable form of anarchistic expression however).
Rule 5) Don't talk about coming out cos this is very 70s, and flares and flicks might be coming back but coming out isn't. It's daggy and obsolete. This should also counteract any of the problems people not yet out might confront by seeing homophobic stuff on the walls of an anarchist conference. Stay in, keep quiet and don't rock the boat sailing to its glorious horizon of visionary dreams. This is a conference about politics not some cosmic personal growth chat session.
If you thought that the social, political, cultural context you grew up in operated in its most basic ways by invading the private domains and most vulnerable places of people just enough to make them the agents of their own and each others oppression , and if you thought this central to any dismantling of the operations of power, and if you for a moment imagined that this was an issue necessary to any concept of revolution, then you were wrong and you must want the Oprah Winfrey show down the road, cos we'll have none of that tedious, unmanly, daytime-TV nonsense at this serious, big time conference!? You big sook, we're here to talk about cops and bombs and did I mention books already, yeah lots of books, and bigwig American lecturers too.
Rule 6) Social and personal identity; the fact that power is not something carried out solely by the machines and institutions of the state, but by the people and the societies in whose hands these operate is NOT part of our rhetoric alright, keep this to yourself and your pooncey little social theory books.
Remember that the violent, stormtrooping, beige, briefcased, badly dressed, overly-brylcreemed, bile-belching, oh-so-butch blundering that is the western world's passage through history is NOT inextricably, inescapeably (and imperceptibly to some) interwoven with the legitimised and disguised privilege of white heterosexual male self-interest.
This is just a boring, monolithic, out-moded load of whingeing by women and queers and blacks and all those OTHER obstacles to a neat revolutionary agenda that isn't too confronting for those who came here not to learn or {to} listen to anything except {their} own already over-represented voices. Or have I said this already in the previous rules, oh well, not one to worry about going on too much in the same old tired, tested, tried and re-fried deep toned, lisp free vocal tunes.
(Repetition and regurgitation is the true trademark of an anarchist; what else are all those old world, european, princely pontifications and formulae for revolution filed away on bookshelves next to the boys own adventure stories for if not this.)
Rule 7) PUT SIMPLY THEN, THE FUNDAMENTAL CLAIM BY FEMINISM THAT `THE PERSONAL IS THE POLITICAL' IS YET TO BE TAKEN ON BY ANARCHISTS, and until such a time as it is we will hear only what we want from those we've already heard. We don't want any integration of ideas and analysis into the meaning of what Anarchism is and how it needs to be relevant to EVERYONE desiring freedom. We will maintain the currently well-walled, working definitions and values we have and deflect any critiques to the aforementioned appropriate workshops. We will add what we can cope with to our pot of revolution and stir but NO, WE AIN'T CHANGING THE EXISTING RECIPE IN ANY WAY.
We want to hear about practical, idealistic, sane, sanitised ways of getting by in this world in an independent , anarchistic way that are relevant to the experiences of the social reality that the men writing what anarchism is know to be true. And a safe, respectful context of discussion will only be granted to these types of things... -i.e.:
If you don't feel comfortable discussing the police by reference to raids on beats and streets, where you might make money or fun and run the risk of violence, rape, harassment, prosecution and the basic psychological intimidation the police give to poofs and women and trannies who need or want to earn money in this way, this is because you aren't meant to bring it up.
If you want to talk about the ghettoisation, mafia control , corruption and extreme commercialisation that reigns over many of the only public places queers have for timeout from an otherwise entirely heterosexual world save it for the designated workshop.
If you want to challenge male anarchist control of women's access to erotic, political, lesbian material in anarchist bookshops keep it for the workshop.
If you think being kicked out of your home when you came out to your parents and trying to get by on the streets or in squats or parks or on the well-spent earnings of the numerous married men like your father who are looking for an economically disenfranchised boy or girl, with flesh like your own to pay for, is relevant to any discussion on the nature of the christian, patriarchal, worker-breeding, nuclear-family-factory-line {, to the workshop with you}
If you are pissed off and insulted by sweeping remarks about all sadomasochism made in the major plenary sessions of the conference by a man who knows nothing about underground queer SM culture and its value, practices and meaning, keep it for the queer workshop.
If you got arse fucked this morning by your lover before alighting from bed to get to this conference only to find out that Gareth Evans can be ridiculed as weak and pathetic and plundered by portraying him as arse-fucked and you thought you were suddenly back in the high school playground (or at a punk gig of `anarchistically-enlightened', hung- up, hetero- boys who perhaps need a good prostate poke to activate their brains and sensitivity) then once again keep it to yourself and out of the way of activists using `a well recognised working class colloquialism' to make their point.
And if you feel ripped off by a large, national, funded student body using fringe, radical, unfunded, queer literature and appropriating it by removing its queer references and using it to their own ends and wonder what kind of Anarchism can do this then you are overreacting and suffering a paranoid, persecution complex. And the fact that a disease wiping out so many of the people you love or fuck or befriend may be less devastating compared to the millions of people suffering daily for no reason other than their race or geography or the agenda of First World industry, but nonetheless it still devastates and isolates and cripples a hardened queer like yourself and remains unmentioned at a conference on Anarchism except by those queers whose lives are riddled with dead friends and the shame, silence and ignorance a state tries to inflict, then this is because it should also be kept to the appropriate workshop.
Rule 9) AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST: all of the above issues made reference to are NOT relevant to big issues, to the real work of an anarchist conference or movement. Masculinity, homophobia, misogyny, racism and the basic social, sexual and emotional hangups of those whose interests dominate and rule this world have no part whatsoever in the military-moralistic-macho-muslim-christian-judeo-job-obsessed -junk-heap-of-machinery of war or rape or cultural genocide and imperialism or exploitation.
The fact that impotent, fucked up, sexually repressed, shit scared, sold out, soul less, brain dead, boring people also happen to be those in control of this suicidal mess we call a culture is pure coincidence and don't you forget it.
Well that's all me and my little camera hidden in a stilleto could catch from the files for now. Now if I can smuggle a movie camera into my platforms next year I can get all the unwritten rules out to you all before the next conference. Until then remember that Silence=Death, so don't get dead bored by Anarchism, it is a living thing that wants to grow, feed it your own radical spirit, your own queerness, not your continuing silence but your voice, lest it remains somewhere on a dark bookshelf being fed only the suffocating manure that stifled it this year.And remember what all good anarchists know: rules are meant to be broken.
Yours since clearly,
Sis. Mary Anunymous O.P.I.
July 1995
The fact that impotent, fucked up, sexually repressed, shit scared, sold out, soul less, brain dead, boring people also happen to be those in control of this suicidal mess we call a culture is pure coincidence and don't you forget it.
So the secret to abolishing capitalism must be dose the capitalist class with viagra and mdma, yeah?
Riot_queer, would you care to elaborate on what you see as relevant in this text?
I thought it was worth a read as a semi-satirical swipe at other people's attitudes within the Anarchist movement...no other reason.
You cannot tell me that you got nothing out of reading that...not even a raised eyebrow...?
No, I don't really think that it offered any real insights. It was a bit depressing to read; I presume the author was aiming it at class struggle anarchists dismissive of identity politics; it certainly read like it was written by someone who's completely misunderstood what class struggle is about, and has no particular desire to find out, preferring to bask in the safety of identity politics and congratulate fellow adherents about how radical they are being just by having sex.
It's all about factories and working and growing veggies in Utopia, oh and {about} newspapers and lots of books, books and bookshops. It's not really about the way people relate to each other and rescue each other with love or sex or sharing drugs or shoplifted lollies just to get through this hell hole of industrial culture
This quote kinda sums it up really. I could hope that the lifestyle politics outlined here is as big a straw man as the 'class struggle' politics to which its opposed, but realistically I think the author was actually being serious.
Again, I don't really understand why you thought it was relevant to post this on a libertarian communist site. I don't think anyone here particularly cares that you "got arse fucked this morning by your lover before alighting from bed" or whatever; we just don't think it is particularly radical. Yes, people have criticised your group, but they aren't doing it because they are homophobes or because they don't believe people are oppressed for reasons of sexuality. The struggle for libertarian communism will necessarily involve struggles against oppression based on sexual identity, gender roles and what not. The problem is, that this perspective ultimately wishes to supercede/abolish such identities, whereas the perspective you seem to outline on these boards seems only to want to make them more concrete. We think it is necessary to try and remove all divisions in the class, while you don't seem to understand what class is, and seem to want to make such divisions bigger. Or maybe I have just misunderstood you?
I was on www.anarchistnews.org and was browsing about the place looking for some articles and whatever and stumbled across this piece. I read it, had a giggle, thought about a few things it said and thought I'd just post it here for the hell of it to see who would read it or respond to it. No other reason. I just thought it was slightly interesting and of some mirth.
I am aware of what class is and the class war and the concepts behind it....so yes you did slightly misunderstand me
captain soap raises some good points, especially that of cementing segregation based on sexual identity.
And to me, this seems to be more about confirming your individual identity as a 'queer anarchist' by interacting people in the same position, rather than creating something that will be effective.
As others have said, and what i have gathered, the Australian anarchist movement seems piss weak and not well organised? Maybe effort should be focused into addressing such issues before factionalisation?
As others have said, and what i have gathered, the Australian anarchist movement seems piss weak and not well organised? Maybe effort should be focused into addressing such issues before factionalisation?
Sounds kinda like the assimiliationist bollocks a Leftist would spout. I don't want to fall into line.
I am not saying to organise exclusively from the rest of the movement but there should be some sort of effort to have a visible Queer presence within the movement as well as an effort to bring other Queers into the movement.






This shit is soo gay.