The Trots in Melbourne are having a meeting about Anarchism...
Sep 26 2009 09:02
#32
Good post weeler, there's always some gold in your sarcasm. I think unless you're ready and prepared for a serious debate on theory and history its probably not worth going. These things aren't designed for a balanced discussion.
Also: Do you have a copy of the pamphlet you distributed??
Sep 26 2009 11:58
#33
riot-queer, don't go along to their meetings to show off and be a dick. It might make you feel cool infront of a couple of friends and it will annoy some trots but by opposing trots by behaving like a dick you're never going to achieve anything.
If you haven't got the patience to get into an actual debate with them (who has?) then only go to their meetings to observe. These kind of meetings rarely have any actual political activity as their goal and the only reason to go is in case someone new to politics or the area has come by mistake and needs rescuing 
Sep 26 2009 17:34
#34
Hey Jef,
We kinda went along (well, i should only really speak for myself now, i'm sure riot_queer'll respond) to see what the trots were saying about anarchism. Unfortunately, it seemed like it quickly descended into (many) trots. v (2) anarchists, as they were talking soo much shit about anarchist politics without any understanding of it, and unfortunately i got sorta sucked up into bullshit arguments.
I'm sure i didnt go to look cool, and neither did riot_queer, not sure if we even managed to show those new to the 'left' how fucked up socialst alternative is.
Their single minded focus towards recruitment over any other political aim kinda scared the shit out of me though.
peace
Sep 28 2009 05:25
#35
Kinda difficult to make a case for Anarchist politics when you have a room full of Trotskyite fuckwits throwing ridiculous examples based a lot on non-information or twisted fact.
Apparently we endorse anti-semitism because Bakunin and Kropotkin were of that pursuasion? WTF?!?
There was never going to be any room for a normal political discussion with that fucking group, so if you were there you could understand why and how it could turn into some massive slag-off fest.
Sep 28 2009 08:09
#36
What a cop out, it was too hard for you not to act like dicks so you acted like dicks and played right into the hands of the trots.
Sep 28 2009 08:40
#37
Debating with trots is like fucking for virginity.
Sep 28 2009 14:20
#38
Gabs wrote:
Debating with trots is like fucking for virginity.
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Sep 28 2009 16:28
#39
weeler wrote:
What a cop out, it was too hard for you not to act like dicks so you acted like dicks and played right into the hands of the trots.
So do you actually go out and do anything or do you just sit online and take pot-shots at others who go to the effort of getting involved in anything?
Because you come across as being a holier-than-thou elitist wanker who sits on the sidelines and slags off everybody else because you may have done it before and done it differently so we must be lesser beings than yourself.
Sep 28 2009 18:26
#40
Riot_Queer wrote:
weeler wrote:
What a cop out, it was too hard for you not to act like dicks so you acted like dicks and played right into the hands of the trots.So do you actually go out and do anything or do you just sit online and take pot-shots at others who go to the effort of getting involved in anything?
Because you come across as being a holier-than-thou elitist wanker who sits on the sidelines and slags off everybody else because you may have done it before and done it differently so we must be lesser beings than yourself.
Is this the style of debate you used at the meeting or did you just scream "authoritarians" and then wet yourself a little?
Sep 28 2009 21:02
#41
riot_dude wrote:
Hey Jef,
We kinda went along (well, i should only really speak for myself now, i'm sure riot_queer'll respond) to see what the trots were saying about anarchism. Unfortunately, it seemed like it quickly descended into (many) trots. v (2) anarchists, as they were talking soo much shit about anarchist politics without any understanding of it, and unfortunately i got sorta sucked up into bullshit arguments.
I'm sure i didnt go to look cool, and neither did riot_queer, not sure if we even managed to show those new to the 'left' how fucked up socialst alternative is.
Their single minded focus towards recruitment over any other political aim kinda scared the shit out of me though.
peace
I can see why you went along and it sounds like you've seen enough to know why it's not often a good idea
Sep 29 2009 01:08
#42
weeler wrote:
Is this the style of debate you used at the meeting or did you just scream "authoritarians" and then wet yourself a little?
No this is nothing like how I was then it was a simple and direct question for you Weeler, nothing more, not my problem if you cannot answer it.
Sep 29 2009 01:17
#43
I make a point of not getting involved in just anything. Thanks.
Sep 29 2009 02:37
#44
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I can see why you went along and it sounds like you've seen enough to know why it's not often a good idea
yup
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the only reason to go is in case someone new to politics or the area has come by mistake and needs rescuing
airlift them from our black helicopters next time?
Sep 29 2009 03:01
#45
weeler a year ago wrote:
I make a point of getting involved in anything. Thanks.
older wiser weeler wrote:
I make a point of not getting involved in just anything. Thanks.
Sep 29 2009 10:31
#46
This is it jeffrey.
I would venture to guess that its something to do with the often reactionary nature of anarchism where caricatured opposition to any number of supposedly "bad" things make for a nice distraction from lack of ideolgoy, strategy or support base.
I mean, I at least have had conversations with trots and think their ideas are lacking, whats being posted here is fingers in your ears, purist, childish, nonsense.
Critical support for playground anarchism?