Anarchist Doctors?
I'm starting to research social and preventative medicine in the context of the revolutionary anarchist project. I've been trying to find anarchist (communist) doctors for reference, but haven't found much outside of dead ones. Does anyone know of any doctors who incorporate their anarchist ideology into their practice?
You might try a lefty organization like Doctors Without Borders and see if you can't find anarchists there. I don't know of any specific anarchist groups of doctors (unlike with librarians, lawyers, and other professions) but I imagine there might be some on the edges of the liberal stuff.
There's one or two med students on here, but I don't think there are any doctors.
Refused or Pingtiao might be able to tell ye.
well whatever next! you do know a phd is just as good.
well, i would imagine there's a fair few shrinks. and also nurses
^^ they have their own journals you know. i was shocked anyway.
I know there are some anarchoid doctors affiliated with the "street medic" movem... er... scene. Maybe that's where to look in the US.
I bet you could find some affiliated with "street clinic" movements from 60s and 70s in NYC, Bay Area, perhaps some other places in USA.
No but i sure as hell wish i do!!! My doc and his practice are incompetent, negligent etc ... this would be a dream come true for me.. i am gonna try and find a marginally less rubbish doctor and if i hit paydirt i will let you know....that would be going from the ridiculous to the sublime.![]()
Seriously, good luck with this project - sounds really interesting.
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If this is because your Doctor laughed at you before shoving the homeopathy vials up your arse then fair fucks to him.
I read that more and more health trusts are making formal bans on paying for homeopathy, which gave me something to smile about.
I think there were a bunch of anarchist medics/doctors going to New Orleans after Katrina to help out. Can't remember where I read it. Maybe on Counterpunch or Zmag.
I think there were a bunch of anarchist medics/doctors going to New Orleans after Katrina to help out. Can't remember where I read it. Maybe on Counterpunch or Zmag.
I hope they weren't going to practice homeopathy, handing out pretentious water would be rubbing salt in the wounds.
atlemk wrote:
I think there were a bunch of anarchist medics/doctors going to New Orleans after Katrina to help out. Can't remember where I read it. Maybe on Counterpunch or Zmag.I hope they weren't going to practice homeopathy, handing out pretentious water would be rubbing salt in the wounds.
they had to do something to get rid of the flood waters
I read that more and more health trusts are making formal bans on paying for homeopathy, which gave me something to smile about.
How much do you wanna bet that hyper-super-special-diluted drugs are a fuck of a lot cheaper than ones that actually work?
That said, it's important to distinguish between homeopathy (which is bollocks) and the whole idea of hollistic medicine, which is pretty interesting, IMO.
How much do you wanna bet that hyper-super-special-diluted drugs are a fuck of a lot cheaper than ones that actually work?That said, it's important to distinguish between homeopathy (which is bollocks) and the whole idea of hollistic medicine, which is pretty interesting, IMO.
there is fuck all hollistic about homeopathy, they just have to be nicer otherwise you'd be more likely to cop onto the fact your being done.
I mean if a homeopathist chucked his water at you the same way a GP hands over a prescription and say's 'take two a day for the next two weeks' you'd not be best pleased.
How much do you wanna bet that hyper-super-special-diluted drugs are a fuck of a lot cheaper than ones that actually work?That said, it's important to distinguish between homeopathy (which is bollocks) and the whole idea of hollistic medicine, which is pretty interesting, IMO.
totally, still, I know where I'll be going when I get cancer...
I am resident doctor in a hospital of Athens, Greece. I am not anarchist, i put myself in social autonomy current(Socialism or barbarism, etc). For many years i deal with the problem of health. There is a very interesting struggle in a region of North Greece, in relation with this question, the last three years. Doctors, nurses and other workers of a public medical center together the inhabitants of this region, organise an autonomous struggle, demand better health conditions. I am in a support team, which want to circulate this struggle in hospitals and other workplaces. There is a blog in net of this support team(www.prwtov-zagkliv.blogspot.com). Unfortunatelly in greek...If you want more information you can tell me. Also there are some usefull books(but old, about 60s) about same experiences. The 'spk"(socialistic commune of patients). A book of Vincent Navarro(i don't remember its name, but you can find easily in a search machine). And of course, the more critical book about capitalist health is Nemesis, of Ivan Illits.
I wish i help you.
there is fuck all hollistic about homeopathy, they just have to be nicer otherwise you'd be more likely to cop onto the fact your being done.I mean if a homeopathist chucked his water at you the same way a GP hands over a prescription and say's 'take two a day for the next two weeks' you'd not be best pleased.
Don't get me wrong, homeopathy is absolute, complete and total nonsense. But there is a tendancy (and you can see it in that article) to use the words "complementary", "alternative" and "homeopathic" as if they mean the same thing.
Well, aren't complementary and alternative just code words for a wider range of fake medicine that homeopathy is part of?
Isn't it like "complementary" to real medicine / "alternative" to real medicine?
In the sense that "class struggle anarchist" is just code for "aging punk who misses the 80s and won't shut up about Thatcher", yes.
Well, what "alternative"/"complementary" medicines aren't just snake oil?
Seriously, surely if they were of scientific value, then they'd cease to be "alternative"?
Yeah the action medics in the UK definitely have at the least trained nurses and I think doctors as well.
Well the placebo-effect is a pretty well-documented phenomenon that probably isn't exploited enough - lots of those hippy bollocks potions probably work the odd time on people's colds or tummy-ache's by some sort of placebo effect.
Unfortunately if they acknowledged this then it would defeat for the purpose, cos for the placebo effect to work, people have got to think they're taking proper medicine, which magic water obviously isn't.
Lone Wolf wrote:
No but i sure as hell wish i do!!! My doc and his practice are incompetent, negligent etc ... this would be a dream come true for me.. i am gonna try and find a marginally less rubbish doctor and if i hit paydirt i will let you know....that would be going from the ridiculous to the sublime.![]()
Seriously, good luck with this project - sounds really interesting.
Love
LW X
If this is because your Doctor laughed at you before shoving the homeopathy vials up your arse then fair fucks to him.
I read that more and more health trusts are making formal bans on paying for homeopathy, which gave me something to smile about.
Nothing to do with it, tosser!!!
I know you like to suck the dicks of doctors and consultants big time and that is your look out but this fucking obsession with homoepathy and dragging it into any conversation at the slightest behest is, tbh, kinda strange. I mean here we are in a thread with a chance of having a good convo about radical medical provision here in the allopathic context you feel so strangely comforted by but you just can't let it go can you...
But i guess that is because you HAVE no critique of medical provision currently because ooh doctors are soooo amazing so this is an area of capital that can never be critiqued even when its uses and abuses DO lead to loss of life because.. ooh it is a doctor.... [cue starry eyed uncritical adoration]..
Love
LW X
I am resident doctor in a hospital of Athens, Greece. I am not anarchist, i put myself in social autonomy current(Socialism or barbarism, etc). For many years i deal with the problem of health. There is a very interesting struggle in a region of North Greece, in relation with this question, the last three years. Doctors, nurses and other workers of a public medical center together the inhabitants of this region, organise an autonomous struggle, demand better health conditions. I am in a support team, which want to circulate this struggle in hospitals and other workplaces. There is a blog in net of this support team(www.prwtov-zagkliv.blogspot.com). Unfortunatelly in greek...If you want more information you can tell me. Also there are some usefull books(but old, about 60s) about same experiences. The 'spk"(socialistic commune of patients). A book of Vincent Navarro(i don't remember its name, but you can find easily in a search machine). And of course, the more critical book about capitalist health is Nemesis, of Ivan Illits.
I wish i help you.
Hey r
Thank you for this - this is all really interesting and helpful. Good luck with your struggles - shame i can't read Greek! - but it is great you are wanting to spread info on what you are doing locally to wider regions. I may well get in touch with you later.
Thank you.
Love
LW X
Nothing to do with it, tosser!!!I know you like to suck the dicks of doctors and consultants big time and that is your look out but this fucking obsession with homoepathy and dragging it into any conversation at the slightest behest is, tbh, kinda strange. I mean here we are in a thread with a chance of having a good convo about radical medical provision here in the allopathic context you feel so strangely comforted by but you just can't let it go can you...
But i guess that is because you HAVE no critique of medical provision currently because ooh doctors are soooo amazing so this is an area of capital that can never be critiqued even when its uses and abuses DO lead to loss of life because.. ooh it is a doctor.... [cue starry eyed uncritical adoration]..
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The point is tho, that there's never going to be a viable alternative to any of the failings of mainstream medicine when most "alternatives" involve robbing the most desparate in society.
Yeah the action medics in the UK definitely have at the least trained nurses and I think doctors as well.
Good link Saii - these peeps sound cool and i would consider joining one day when my own health is stronger..
Good to see not everyone has gone off topic and is rambling on about homoepathy...(Christ we have done that so many times and this topic is MUCH more interesting, relevant etc )
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LW X
revol68 wrote:
Lone Wolf wrote:
No but i sure as hell wish i do!!! My doc and his practice are incompetent, negligent etc ... this would be a dream come true for me.. i am gonna try and find a marginally less rubbish doctor and if i hit paydirt i will let you know....that would be going from the ridiculous to the sublime.![]()
Seriously, good luck with this project - sounds really interesting.
Love
LW X
If this is because your Doctor laughed at you before shoving the homeopathy vials up your arse then fair fucks to him.
I read that more and more health trusts are making formal bans on paying for homeopathy, which gave me something to smile about.
Nothing to do with it, tosser!!!
I know you like to suck the dicks of doctors and consultants big time and that is your look out but this fucking obsession with homoepathy and dragging it into any conversation at the slightest behest is, tbh, kinda strange. I mean here we are in a thread with a chance of having a good convo about radical medical provision here in the allopathic context you feel so strangely comforted by but you just can't let it go can you...
But i guess that is because you HAVE no critique of medical provision currently because ooh doctors are soooo amazing so this is an area of capital that can never be critiqued even when its uses and abuses DO lead to loss of life because.. ooh it is a doctor.... [cue starry eyed uncritical adoration]..
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LW X
This post makes you sound like a muppet. I certainly have a critique of the present provision and structuring of health care and knowledge but since it is applicable to real doctors it is applicable times a thousand to the parasitical scum like homeopaths, faith healers , crystal swingers etc who prey on peoples fear, desperation and ignorance.
The fact that you apparently have a critique of real doctors but are so easily sucked in by charltan homeopaths makes me doubt it's worth.
Lone Wolf wrote:
Nothing to do with it, tosser!!!I know you like to suck the dicks of doctors and consultants big time and that is your look out but this fucking obsession with homoepathy and dragging it into any conversation at the slightest behest is, tbh, kinda strange. I mean here we are in a thread with a chance of having a good convo about radical medical provision here in the allopathic context you feel so strangely comforted by but you just can't let it go can you...
But i guess that is because you HAVE no critique of medical provision currently because ooh doctors are soooo amazing so this is an area of capital that can never be critiqued even when its uses and abuses DO lead to loss of life because.. ooh it is a doctor.... [cue starry eyed uncritical adoration]..
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The point is tho, that there's never going to be a viable alternative to any of the failings of mainstream medicine when most "alternatives" involve robbing the most desparate in society.
Nah that is not the point i was making! I am not talking about necessarily finding alternatives to allopathic medicines when they are genuinely helpful - i am talking about improving the provision and that provision no longer being abused as it is now - for example in an anarcho society without a profit motive the pharma providers would not neglect to mention that Seroxat is unsuitable for teens in order to flog its wares...without a profit motive dangerous drugs and those unproven to work in certain groups i.e. Seroxat in young teens, which can heighten suicidal rates - just what you want from an anti-depressant!
would not be sold ...Of course in a post-rev society we would like to think kids would not suffer from depression.. but when it comes to eg provison of anti-cancer drugs - yeah - we would still need these tho hopefully to a lesser extent... It is just that drugs - in general - would only be provided if medically necessary, if useful and if not likely to kill/injure more than cure none of which is happening now across the board as it should anyways (Hippocratic Oath anyone...?? ) I am interested in this provision of necessary conventional medication and how this will be managed and when i tried to discuss this before - noone "bit" and revol and co went on about the sugar water again... [sighs deeply]
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PS Conor
Not wanting to scare monger but i am afraid you cannot assume across the boards that if someone goes to the Doctor with symptoms indicative of cancer that being offered the appropriate tests to confirm or deny this worying possibility and referral to an appropriate expert is by any means necessarily a speedy, efficient or reassuring process - unless you have the money and can go private - money again - kerching! So - as above in my comments to Jack - my concern is providing proper, speedy, secure, across the boards medical provision which is NOT happening now. And is not - by definition! - likely to happen under capital..










No but i sure as hell wish i do!!! My doc and his practice are incompetent, negligent etc ... this would be a dream come true for me.. i am gonna try and find a marginally less rubbish doctor and if i hit paydirt i will let you know....that would be going from the ridiculous to the sublime.
Seriously, good luck with this project - sounds really interesting.
Love
LW X