Anne Gloag and Pals - Enemies of the people
Jun 13 2007
Hi folks,
This is Anne:-
Anne is a business woman. She founded stagecoach with her brother in law, Bryn B.
Brian and Anne made fuckloads of:-
From the privatisation of this:-
Let's get acquainted. Anne hates these:-
They spoil all of her fun by 'invading' her estate
and bringing the stench of common people (who frankly should really only enter into her life as a source of income to sponge off).
Brian has his own problems with the muck too. Apparently some of them are Ho-mo-secks-U-UHL
However big Anne and bigot Brian have a plan. Not content with owning half of Scotland this dynamic duo fought for Anne's right to own this:-
without any interuptions...
Resulting in this:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/6750065.stm
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Ramblers will no longer be able to roam 12 acres of the estate
MSPs have called for an urgent review of access laws following a sheriff's decision to ban ramblers from the grounds of a millionaire's estate.Labour said advice should be sent to sheriffs reminding them of the importance of the Scottish Outdoor Access Code.
The call came after Stagecoach founder Ann Gloag won the right to prevent the public freely roaming her land.
The SNP's Roseanna Cunningham is also set to raise the issue in parliament.
Speaking during a debate at Holyrood, Labour's environment spokesperson Rhona Brankin described the court ruling as "worrying" and claimed it went against the spirit of the 2003 Land Reform Bill.
If the spirit of that bill is not being respected, then we need to take responsible steps to remedy that
Rhona BrankinShe said: "If the spirit of that bill is not being respected, then we need to take responsible steps to remedy that."
The Scottish Outdoor Access Code gives the public statutory access rights to the outdoors - as long as they observe responsible conduct like keeping dogs under control and respecting a landowner's privacy.
Ms Brankin said it was "extremely disappointing" that the sheriff in the Ann Gloag case had failed to take adequate account of the Scottish Outdoor Access Code.
She added: "Labour will call for an urgent review of access legislation to examine whether this judgment fundamentally undermines the intention of the land reform legislation."
'Massive chunk'
Rosanna Cunningham plans to raise the matter during First Minister's Questions on Thursday.
She said she would be in discussions with the Ramblers Association and officials at Perth and Kinross Council to investigate having the ruling overturned.
Ms Cunningham - the MSP for Perth, which covers Ann Gloag's Kinfauns Estate - said she was also extremely concerned at the ruling.
She said: "No-one denies Ann Gloag's right to privacy and to enjoy her property but I simply do not accept that it is necessary for her to fence off such a massive chunk of the estate to ensure that can be achieved."
If anyone would like to talk to Anne Gloag about this, maybe try and disuade her of her opinion, say at three in the morning, you can ask to talk to Anne at 01738 620777. Call Kinfauns castle anytime! Anne loves to talk!
Jun 14 2007
#2
ftony wrote:
capital's colonisation of public space and the commons! it's a cultural geographer's wet dream!
these geographers haven't just discovererd Music Hall as well?
Jun 14 2007
#3
One can only cringe at Anne's skill in cosmetics. Her mascara is brutally overdone and one questions the colour match with her eyes.
And someone needs to tell her that if she must use a lip liner then first outline the track with a few dots.
As for the lipstick - pillar-box red for goodness sake - pop it in the fridge for half an hour before applying. It makes all the difference.
Peter Good(TCA)
Jun 14 2007
#4
Dundee_United wrote:
Peter Good wrote:
One can only cringe at Anne's skill in cosmetics. Her mascara is brutally overdone and one questions the colour match with her eyes.
She's like Shabnam in 50 years!
Still, the zombie tranny look is very in this season.
Jun 14 2007
#5
Leave Shabnam alone you racist prick!
alright her make up is shite but i think she's kinda hot without it.
Jun 14 2007
#6
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i think she's kinda hot without it.
Who... Anne Gloag?
Jun 14 2007
#7
no Shabnam!
Jun 14 2007
#8
revol68 wrote:
Leave Shabnam alone you racist prick!alright her make up is shite but i think she's kinda hot without it.
I bet you liked the jodhpur days you dirty fuck
Jun 14 2007
#9
Why do these people make me reconsider my attitude to more insurrectionist anarchism. Shouldn't the peasants just all march up to Zombie Anne's castle with pitch forks and torches and just lynch these fuckers?
Stagecoach - this is also the company that seems most interested in buying Translink (thats Belfast city bus, Ulsterbus and Northern Ireland Railways) once the investment and restructuring procress is completed.
A wee bit of info on what they are like as employers seems to be missing from Dundee's wonderful picture story. I'm not sure if this confuses me or not - I mean he's in the IWW but has said that he is not a syndicalist...
Jun 14 2007
#10
John. wrote:
revol68 wrote:
Leave Shabnam alone you racist prick!alright her make up is shite but i think she's kinda hot without it.
I bet you liked the jodhpur days you dirty fuck
It was fucking amazing, i was having a hard job not looking like a staring perv/racist!
Jun 14 2007
#11
Boulcolonialboy wrote:
Stagecoach - this is also the company that seems most interested in buying Translink (thats Belfast city bus, Ulsterbus and Northern Ireland Railways) once the investment and restructuring procress is completed.
On a related note, we have a bunch of articles about struggles at stagecoach firms in our buses archive: http://libcom.org/tags/bus
Jun 14 2007
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I mean he's in the IWW but has said that he is not a syndicalist...
to you too!
I think fighting industrial unions which are controlled by their members are very important. The IWW in the UK are growing at an exponential rate in the Uk and we now have 4 job shops, a number of organising drives and could possibly become a minor player in the UK labour movement in a few years. Naturally I'm in favour of this. That doesn't make me a syndicalist however as I also believe in specific political organisation and a variety of other things which syndicalists probably wouldn't be interested in. However the WSA folks on here don't seem that far from my way of thinking.
As for how Stagecoach are as an employer - well Brian Souter could give a million quid to fund a referdum with the intention of puting pressure on politicians to keep Clause 2A (which prevented the discussion of homosexuality in schools). This year he also gave half a million quid to the SNP. Stagecoach has expanded into the USA now as well, and was mentioned by the RBS in their 2004 "Wealth Creation In Scotland" thesis as a major new company of apparently earth shattering significance. Given that the firm is deemed to be so competitive, and that enough surplus labour has been extracted by Brian Souter to play big style at right wing politics and for Anne to now own Beaufort Castle and the Kinfauns Castle of the current debacle I think it's pretty clear that this is not coming about through a radical shift in the needs of people to get about, so must be coming from workers.
Actually it was telling the difference in the approach of staff (how stressed etc they were and as a result how arsey etc they could be) when Citylink was still competing with Megabus; it was like day and night.
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A wee bit of info on what they are like as employers seems to be missing from Dundee's wonderful picture story.
Do it then!
Jun 14 2007
#13
Eh? Dundee not all syndicalists disagree about the need for specific political organisations and anarcho-syndicalists are in, or advocate, building workers organisations that deal with the economic and political. You maybe need to look into syndicalism a bit more before making statements like that (or indeed mibbe shudda before joining the IWW).
Thanks for the wee bit of info on what they are like as employers, genuine interest in this being a former railway employee and still having many friends in the industry. Thanks also to John. for the link. Course it is easier (I imagine) for folks in areas where stagecoach already operate to get the sort of info that public transport employees over here would be interested in - particularly as these are a potential future employer. So as much as I can I have started to get this info by asking yez.
Jun 15 2007
#14
NONE of the land in the picture above is involved in the access case. The folly is on Kinnoull Hill which has full public access and is not owned by Anne Gloag and the land below is farmland on the Carse of Gowrie which is not involved in the case either. The land that people are making such a song and dance about is a bit of woodland on the side of the A90 - and is surrounded by hundreds of acres of the most beautiful woodland and hills which are already publicly owned and free for anyone to walk in. So, what is the point of the Ramblers' case - it can only be because they can't bear for anyone to have something that they don't.
Jun 15 2007
#15
not as green as you wrote:
So, what is the point of the Ramblers' case - it can only be because they can't bear for anyone to have something that they don't.
I hope so, communist ramblers of the world unite!
Jun 15 2007
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it can only be because they can't bear for anyone to have something that they don't.
Tell me how did Anne make her money? I don't think sponging parasitical thieves like her should be tolerated. She made her money by taking the product of decades of taxes of working people, bought for fuckall, then destroying much of it, 'sweating' much of the rest, finally leaving us with a heavily subsidised skeleton service. Stagecoach is like a methodone addict - it needs a constant stream of government funding to keep it just ticking over as a completely fucked organism, and if the funding is removed it'll die because it needs that methadone.
The concept that Anne Gloag has 'rights' to enjoy anything other than a long fucking stretch in jail for robbing the people blind is frankly disgusting.
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The folly is on Kinnoull Hill which has full public access and is not owned by Anne Gloag and the land below is farmland on the Carse of Gowrie which is not involved in the case either.
Well duh! However that's hardly the point and the idea that these thieves the Gloags could own anything in Carse of Gowrie, especially by Kinnoull Hill, which is definitely one of the more impressive sights in Scotland, and one close to my heart, is utterly despicable.
Jun 15 2007
#17
Dundee_United wrote:
The concept that Anne Gloag has 'rights' to enjoy anything other than a long fucking stretch in jail for robbing the people blind is frankly disgusting.
I was hoping your usage of "the people" in this thread title was ironic...
Jun 15 2007
#18
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I was hoping your usage of "the people" in this thread title was ironic...
Course it was. This same conversation came up in the pub yesterday, How do you feel about using private healthcare? As it happens I have no particular aversion to it and clearly nationalised industries are not socialised industries. They're still better tho, in lots of senses, and they are the product of taxation to some degree, so we have all paid for them.
Jun 15 2007
#19
John. wrote:
I was hoping your usage of "the people" in this thread title was ironic...
Why? (Genuine question)
Jun 15 2007
#20
because
Joe Hill wrote:
it's about time every rebel woke up to the fact the working class and 'the people' have nothing in common
Jun 15 2007
#21
Because "the people" is used in right wing / nationalist discourse? (I've just never of objecting to use of "the people" before so this might come across as naive but i'm curious as to the reasoning behind it)
Jun 15 2007
#22
i think generally 'the people' has cross-class conotations, US constitution (or declaration of independence?) says 'we the people ...' and was written by rich white landowners. not that fussed though, at least dundee didn't say 'enemy of the multitude'
Jun 17 2007
#23
I think that maybe the confusion (and I used to have the same confusion) is because of its use by the counter-revolutionary left ... "People's Republic of China", etc...
Of course it still has cross-class connotations.
Jun 17 2007
#24
We've got an interesting article about the whole people vs. multitude thing here:
http://libcom.org/library/grammar-multitude-paolo-virno/2-introduction
Jun 17 2007
#25
Amigos del pueblo
Hijos del peublo
"Tombe sans croix et sans chapelle, sans lys d'or, sans vitraux d'azur, quand le peuple en parle, il l'appelle le Mur."
etc.
Jun 19 2007
#26
Joseph K. wrote:
becauseJoe Hill wrote:
it's about time every rebel woke up to the fact the working class and 'the people' have nothing in common;)
Well there is that, talk of "the people" is cross class.
But mostly it just sounds antiquated and embarrassing.
Jun 19 2007
#27
with such vile tongue speaketh ye
Jun 19 2007
#28
"The people" is terminology that is politically loaded, it is cross-class and associated with citizenship (which isn't simply a description of the particualr nation-state you happen to be a citizen of), identification with membership of a nation, rights and duties in relation to that state or nation, and is most often used to mobilise on the basis of citizenship and national identity. It is republican/nationalist in origin and not useful in terms of class - of course its not the same as just saying 'people'.
The UVF represent itself as "The peoples army" on the other side the RA do the same with talk of the "risen people" - these are perhaps extreme examples of "The people" being utilised in mutually antagonistic ways. "The people" as used above may not seem as problematic but many people reading it will assume its bound in terms of national identity, i.e. the "Scottish" people. The examples used clearly indicate that this terminology should be avoided by libertarian communists/anarchists in favour of terminology based on class.
Jun 19 2007
#29
This thread is getting very silly.
Clearly the reference for anyone who 'didn't get it' (or in the case of some, it seems, 'didn't want to get it') is that the government in Scotland repealed a load of, then, still current feudal legislation in the Land Reform Act 2003, which also set out a right to roam, which is now undermined by this judgement. The use was hence a casual joke reference to the French and Scottish republication tradition because of the association with the repeal of 2003 abolition of feudalism in Scotland. Some of you guys need to remove the corks from your arses or go and join the ICC.
Jun 19 2007
#30
Er, sorry thats your take on this but I'm responding to a genuine question from ginger here. I did 'get it' but ginger still asked the question, and its one that deserved an answer - or would you rather I'd just dismissed it and told her to take the cork outta her arse and join the [insert insult organisations initials]?
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ginger wrote:Quote:
John. wrote:
I was hoping your usage of "the people" in this thread title was ironic...Why? (Genuine question)
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ginger wrote:
Because "the people" is used in right wing / nationalist discourse? (I've just never of objecting to use of "the people" before so this might come across as naive but i'm curious as to the reasoning behind it)
capital's colonisation of public space and the commons! it's a cultural geographer's wet dream!